Why not use more than 9 times more ‘powerful’ than the vanilla PS4, since that would equate to 4 times the Pro.
Also, whats 16.8 Polaris GCN to Navi equivalent?
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Why not use more than 9 times more ‘powerful’ than the vanilla PS4, since that would equate to 4 times the Pro.
Also, whats 16.8 Polaris GCN to Navi equivalent?
DrDamn
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So about 12TF RDNA then?
xool
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He was referencing the original Xbox Series X quote - it's ironic or something ..
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Hellgardia
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Going by the 5500XT (5.1 RDNA) vs RX580/RX590 (7.11 Polaris GCN) which are similar in performance. It is also 1.38x more or less.
So around 12.1 RDNA for those 16.8 Polaris GCN
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TherapistGaymer
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Please Tommy man be right lol.
wowbaggerBR
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Ah, I see. Marketing gonna marketing, I guess.
David Ricardo
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Yeah, it's ok, but it's you who is wrong. That wikipedia line is false. If you scroll down the page, you can see the release dates of the 40 and 80 GB models. None of them were available at launch.David thts not true I just looked it up some regions had 40gb model at launch. It's OK to be wrong
"At launch, the PlayStation 3 was available with either a 20, 40, 60, or 80 GB hard disk drive in the US and Japan, priced from US$499 to US$599; and with either a 40, 60, or 80 GB hard disk drive in Europe, priced from £299 to £425.[1]"
Either way the point still stands.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
As I’ve said previously the goal was 9.xtf - years back. Things changed. They were aiming for 10.5-11.5 as a top end target, but hit thermal issues. Those thermal
Issues are likely resolved, and they could possibly push more. That’s from a First party guy. The machines a beast, and nothing to be concerned about. An 11.5tf machine is easily comparable to a 12tf machine. No question. I can’t put money on it, it’s third party knowledge.
But some here seem to think sony are going to release a 14tf Xbox killer for pennies, and i cant help but laugh, man, it’s trolling at its finest to get people hyped up and be disappointed.
What’s more realistic? That Sony saw their plans wouldn’t work out, ditches the 9tf idea in its infancy and moved onto a more realistic 11ish tf machine leveraging that research and also having a higher end SSD and RT implementation, that also just so happens to have the same around abouts bom as the sx, because it’s near enough identical?
Or that Sony some how went right in for a more powerful 13-14tf, better than 2080ti PS5, got all the parts for the same price as Xbox got theirs, and will price it so the masses can afford it, because for the players?
HONESTLY?
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Gamernyc78
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some regions received a 40gb at launch from what I remember but if not the point still stands about different systems and feature sets
It's cool.
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David Ricardo
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It doesn't change the fact that 4 times PS4 Pro is 9+ times base PS4. So your maths are wrong.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
My PS3 is in the attic and i believe it’s a 60gb launch model if memory recalls with bc, but it developed a jet engine and started taking off during the Last of Us one summer and I don’t want to get it down.
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xool
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It's not just you - could have swore there was a 20GB eurozone launch version. Only inside my head apparently
[edit .. something something Australia ?]
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David Ricardo
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I followed the PS3 launch period quite closely, so I know there was no 40 GB model at launch.Tht info is not just on wiki some regions received a 40gb at launch from what I remember but if not
It's cool.
Timeline of PlayStation 3 SKUs - Wikipedia
Gamernyc78
Banned
I was upset when my 80gb phat day one died a few years ago. I loved it.
Hellgardia
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There was a 20GB eurozone launch.
M-V2
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I'm no insider or anything, so saying it's gonna be in March won't harm anyone. If I was right or wrong doesn't make me an insider or anything.
It's just a theory I could be totally wrong. But that what I was thinking about, idc if I was right or wrong I just said what I was thinking.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I followed the PS3 launch period quite closely, so I know there was no 40 GB model at launch.
Timeline of PlayStation 3 SKUs - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Thank you for the correction if true. I also followed it and wanted to stay away from the 40gig model but guess I was misremembeing.
DiddyInAHellcat
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Anyone else thinks this is PS5 related
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
Social media went crazy for the silly PS5 logo. Sony will probably release the 9.2TF machine for the non hardcore gamers and rake in the dough.
They know that they can get away with it, so I find it to still be plausible. I mean, Microsoft hasn’t changed since the Github leak...
They know that they can get away with it, so I find it to still be plausible. I mean, Microsoft hasn’t changed since the Github leak...
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He said „more“. So it‘s right
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Thanks. Though that would go against what Klee said ("the target was always 12+ for both, PS5 > XSX"). However, if that was indeed the target - it makes the whole Oberon thing and thermal issues resulting from high clock speeds much more likely, doesn't it?
OsirisBlack said in late 2018 that PS5 was targeting 2.1 GHz Navi. If we assume that is correct and then assume that Ariel and Oberon are correct, Oberon at 2.1 GHz would end up at 10.8 TF with no CUs disabled. Which is totally in the range that you were told. The question is: How can you run Navi at 2.1 GHz? That requires a ton of active cooling, so it will be loud, very, very loud.
But you don't seem to know that the thermal issues are resolved, you just assume that? In that case it could still end up at 9.2 TF, couldn't it?
https://www.gamesradar.com/au/more-...ming-really-really-soon-promises-counterplay/
Whatever soon means....
Whatever soon means....
PaintTinJr
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I meant to post this yesterday - in response to the poster who linked the AMD picture of GCN, RDNA1, RDNA2 chips/lithography - they were talking about benefits of RDNA1.9 TeraFlops in XsX compared to GCN at 50% & 25% (IIRC).
AFAIK the harsh reality of a Flop being a Flop is going to be true this gen in the context of RT, in all likelihood, because this is gen zero of RT, and RT is a different type of workload, so the efficiency gains of RDNA versus GCN – unless they are generalized GPGPU gains - will presumably be occurring because RDNA is alleviating current gen Rasterization pipeline bottlenecks with fastpaths – fastpaths which might not offer gains to RT workloads.
To make matters worse, we don’t know how many AMD RT dedicated cores are needed for entry level RT (or the resolution/frame-rate and PQ that refers to for the new consoles). Until (presumably) Sony push the issue of RT visuals at a resolution/frame-rate, bounce count, etc and then reveal what hardware they used in PS5, we won’t be able to gauge the relative performance in terms of GCN or RDNA until someone tries to match the PQ in a game - on a PC using cards of those technology and achieving those same metrics.
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
JAMMA
as much as I hate even saying 9tf, we all know Sony had people that can do magic with far worse specs. ND made stupidly good looking shit with a 1.4tf machine, so the things they could do with an SSD based modern architecture 9.xtf machine would be insane. Again, it won’t be 9tf but still, Sony would hardly loose the race - in fact they could price it utterly dirt cheap and it would likely sell crazy. The trouble is, a few years down the line, a 9tf machine wouldn’t cut it, and even if they released a faster pro, they would still be locked down by that original machine (much like the PS4/Xbox one are with their refreshes).
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
chilichote
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Gudji
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Sony never had an underpowered machine at release. This was consistent with every single console they released! Now think about it and think about what gamers expect from sony.
Neo Blaster
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'Silent', hmm. And If you zoom in on the yellow paper, it says 'next week'. 
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Merging what I know with others thermal
Issues were preventing them from going up to the higher end of that scale, 11.5, and so they were hovering lower on the middle. But the machines were still fine, they just ran hotter than they would like, with zero headroom for any upclocking or improvement. That’s not a good position to be in, because you should always leave a little room for something.
The chance of those thermal issues being resolved is near enough 100%. Hell
Sony even put in orders for better cooling, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s sorted and they pushed up to 11.5 with a little on top even.
But you don’t just go from 10 to 14. That’s not how it works 10 to 11 with refinements on top? Sure. But right on up to 14, when you already had thermal issues as it was?
OsirisBlack
mentioned he heard rumblings of higher temps too, but no issues reported, so pretty much the same.But I would bet top greenback no thermal
Issues being present at all now. I would almost guarantee it. They were pushing the system too hard on the clocks and that wasnt playing well worth the cooling is all, and that was then. I would say next to zero chance of 9tf, let go of that. Sony would likely rather delay the damn thing that to drop it that low compared to sx.
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
Sony sold the Pro knowing full well what the X was going to be.
splattered
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I wonder how people are going to react when they find out Sony has been delaying a ps5 reveal because they chose to fire up full production of the Playstation 1, 2 and 3 systems so gamers can buy them all over again to play their old catalog of games natively! Jim Ryan finally realized people DO want to play those old games again. Just think of all the memories! Heh
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Gudji
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It was still not underpowered and released one year before XSX with a different BOM. But keep going.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Next week, kojima you slut you...
but remember that kojima has a sense of humour and plays on stuff like this. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s done this just for a joke and next week releases a damn PS4 theme
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bitbydeath
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Fukn finally.
Roll on March 3!
Roll on March 3!
trancefreak64
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I don't know the CH numbers, and specifications off the top of my head, but IIRC; Those launch PS3s in the U S. were a 60GB unit with Wifi, and built in custom emotion engine chip for PS2 functionality.
I don't remember how the PS one was integrated into the PS3 back then. but it most likely had a custom chip, or emulator on the PS3. It was one or the other lol.
The cheaper launch PS3 wa unit was a 20GB PS3. It did not include Wifi and the ps2 emotion engine custom chip was excluded as well.
Those 2 units(60GB, 20GB Models)would eventually be replaced by a revised unit. I believe this change took place in late 2007 with the release of the 80GB PS3 in the U.S. This refreshed PS3 would have custom software based PS2 emulator.
LED Guy?
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So, after taking RDNA’s efficiency into account, that rounds up about 12.6 TF RDNA or around it.
PS5 12.6 TFlops CONFIRMED!!
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wowbaggerBR
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Merging what I know with others thermal
Issues were preventing them from going up to the higher end of that scale, 11.5, and so they were hovering lower on the middle. But the machines were still fine, they just ran hotter than they would like, with zero headroom for any upclocking or improvement. That’s not a good position to be in, because you should always leave a little room for something.
The chance of those thermal issues being resolved is near enough 100%. Hell
Sony even put in orders for better cooling, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s sorted and they pushed up to 11.5 with a little on top even.
But you don’t just go from 10 to 14. That’s not how it works 10 to 11 with refinements on top? Sure. But right on up to 14, when you already had thermal issues as it was?
But I would bet top greenback no thermal
Issues being present at all now. I would almost guarantee it. They were pushing the system too hard on the clocks and that wasnt playing well worth the cooling is all, and that was then. I would say next to zero chance of 9tf, let go of that. Sony would likely rather delay the damn thing that to drop it that low compared to sx.
I don't dispute this, but it seems to me that if you are caught in a situation like this, at some point, the ludicrous ammounts of money poored into cooling a 2 GHz GPU start to make a redesign so much more compeling. If you factor in the decrease in yields - you'd have to pick carefully chips that could handle this level of heat - and it all seems a really dumb way to design a system.
I still think that the 9 TFlops was the original plan to a 2019 release. As soon as things changed, and they decided to go for a 2020 release, the PS5 got redesigned with new targets.
splattered
Member
A possible reveal next week? Finally? Man I hope so!
I agree there is more to consider than just specs. But specs = Potential. On which platform will the next Battlefield/COD/Destiny/Division game play at the highest resolution and have the best possible framerates? That's the platform I want to invest in. Specs determine that. I like Sony's exclusives enough, I'll get a PS5 down the road. *If* I like Microsoft's ecosystem more, and they have the best hardware out of the gates, and all other games have the potential to play best there? Ok, then - I'll start with Series X.
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
SoonyFukn finally.
Roll on March 3!
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B_Boss
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How exactly did it die dude?
Gamernyc78
Banned
Bro when I game I game hours a day if not my son use to play. It was a day one and lasted over 7 years and just died out of use lol
JAMMA
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Underpowered? Yeah. Even Cerny himself stated that a 4K console should be 8TF.
it_wasn't_me
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The same thing last year with Wired articles. Sony gained much more traction than Scarlett teaser at E3. Oh Navi, Zen2,...much more of the same like PS5.....then simple PS5 logo gained much more internet traction than whole XSX reveal at TGA.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
This kind of thinking is probably scaring Sony more than Microsoft's consoles.
bitbydeath
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
oh absolutely, I agree. I think from what I can gather, the original plan was 9, then that was scrapped for a target of 11.5, which DOES fall in line with the bom listing and the target of the competition. Even more so when you add on top of that a few extras they are having that are without a doubt better than on the SX. That pushes them into equal footing, which is also the most reported thing that has been said.
The thermal thing was just a classic “hmm we are HERE and we need to be HERE but aren’t there yet, what can we do?”, and as such it looks like they have got there. (And to be fair i guess every console has that moment) But even then you can’t make changes that late in the game to that set up and suddenly be 14
or even 13 11.5? Yes, that’s the target. 11.75? Sure with tinkering and a bit more heat. 12.0? Ehhhh maybe, but you’re pushing it.So the reality is that they have got to a level they are happy with that competes with the the sx on level pegging (and in a few cases will best it), but to do that, they have to increase the bom cost in a few areas.
Do you see how that all adds up to a “likely” and “plausible” situation over the over the other quite frankly laughable and dream one? The other that is floating around, just so happens that every last thing is better for the PS5. K bet even the box cardboard is sourced from better trees. When you start seeing that, how it’s always that little tiny bit better, it reads like fan fiction, a wish list. With all many people saying the two are on equal footing, how is a 14tf machine equal to a 12 one, when the 14 already has a few key areas better in their own? But the sx at 12 and the pa5 at 11.5ish, with their own few parts that are better, puts them equal, with the PS5 ahead in a few spots even.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
This goes to my idea of a “Soon” calculator.
Soon= 5 weeks
Really soon= 4 weeks
Really really soon= 3 weeks
Stay toned= 2 weeks
Around the corner = 1 week
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