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[01011001]

Phil Spencer is tweeting about getting shown a Demo of Gears 5 with "enhancements"
basically hinting at a Series X patch that they are showing off.

I wonder how many patches like that will be ready for launch day?
would be kinda cool if the majority of first party titles get upgrades at launch

 

[RookX22]

So Giant Bombcast March Thir........... was bogus huh?

Its susposed to be March 31st with a reveal announcement on March 10th, 20 days just like Feb 1st and Feb 20th 2013. Lol I hope.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Fake insiders getting banned would be pretty lame; this isn't nazre Germsetera.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That tommy catfisher guy claimed PS5 to be back compatible with all Sony consoles including ps3.

That was actually one of the more believable rumors from our dear friend tbh. PS4 and PS4 Pro is a given; PS3, PS2 and PS1 could be done with software emulation. If PC can do it, can't see why the PS5 can't. Even modest low/mid-range PCs can do PS1 without breaking a sweat, even PS2 and some PS3.

Yeah, you won't get 4K textures and stuff, but I never saw the appeal in doing that with super-old games anyway. A little resolution bump is all I really need, personally.

.......

Spoiler

.............. h-he-.....llll...ppp......me.....m-my ava...t.....AAAAHHHH! Tommy, what are you doing to me, stop! No! Not me!!! NOT MEE!!!!

HE'S HOLDING ME HOSTAGE!!! NOT YET!!! NOT YEEEET!!!

 

[Thedtrain]

Phil Spencer is tweeting about getting shown a Demo of Gears 5 with "enhancements"
basically hinting at a Series X patch that they are showing off.

I wonder how many patches like that will be ready for launch day?
would be kinda cool if the majority of first party titles get upgrades at launch

I feel like a kid who has a friend with cooler parents

 

[IntentionalPun]

That was actually one of the more believable rumors from our dear friend tbh. PS4 and PS4 Pro is a given; PS3, PS2 and PS1 could be done with software emulation. If PC can do it, can't see why the PS5 can't. Even modest low/mid-range PCs can do PS1 without breaking a sweat, even PS2 and some PS3.

Yeah, you won't get 4K textures and stuff, but I never saw the appeal in doing that with super-old games anyway. A little resolution bump is all I really need, personally.

.......

Spoiler

.............. h-he-.....llll...ppp......me.....m-my ava...t.....AAAAHHHH! Tommy, what are you doing to me, stop! No! Not me!!! NOT MEE!!!!

Don't those emulators for old games require code modifications to support specific games?

Like the devs release an emu; it sucks for most games.. and then they slowly patch in changes to detect what game is loaded and add code?

Basically; Sony would have to do what MS has done for OG Xbox / 360 BC with Xbox One if they wanted to support PS1-3 on PS5 (or what they've done to bring PS1/2 games to PS4, which is they use an emulator with custom code per game AFAIK). They plan to have full BC with PS4 by keeping the architecture the same and other tricks (slowing the CPU/GPU/whatever needs to be done to mimic the PS4.)

So there would never be "full BC" with PS1-3; it would be for specific games.. and all the BS rumors don't seem to claim that.

 

[dangopee]

During the PS3/360 "Console War" (I was probably 14 or 15 at the time) I read that Ken Kutaragi had stated that there would be something akin to a "PS3 Pro" released with twice the main RAM. So I made an account on the official PlayStation forums literally claiming to be Ken Kutaragi himself. I claimed that the new model would have a second CELL processor and 512MB XDR and 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 for the RSX, for 1GB total RAM. I remember making up other exact-but-believable numbers like how much RAM was dedicated to the OS etc.

I actually had several people on there believing me before I got banned. Even at the time I was amazed by how many people believed that I was actually Ken himself.

 

[CameFromNearFuture]

Fix your wording or get gone again.

I edited the original post.
I swear I did not mean to create false hopes. I was Just expressing positive thoughts.

I really appologise for that

 

[01011001]

Don't those emulators for old games require code modifications to support specific games?

Like the devs release an emu; it sucks for most games.. and then they slowly patch in changes to detect what game is loaded and add code?

Basically; Sony would have to do what MS has done for OG Xbox / 360 BC with Xbox One if they wanted to support PS1-3 on PS5 (or what they've done to bring PS1/2 games to PS4, which is they use an emulator with custom code per game AFAIK). They plan to have full BC with PS4 by keeping the architecture the same and other tricks (slowing the CPU/GPU/whatever needs to be done to mimic the PS4.)

So there would never be "full BC" with PS1-3; it would be for specific games.. and all the BS rumors don't seem to claim that.

Sony already has a pretty damn good PS1 emulator on the PSP, that emulator is still one of the best in existence.

so they should have absolutely no issue doing one for PS2.
PS3 is a different kinda beast, but on PC now there are massive steps in the right direction by fan made emulators... so Sony should have no issue creating one on par or better than that one.

the issue is more that they need 3 distinct emulators which all need to be highly compatible in order to pull this off.

so I only expect PS4.

possibility of being ready at launch day in my opinion:
PS1 = Easily
PS2 = Tricky but doable
PS3 = most likely only possible in the way Microsoft does 360 emulation, on a limited game by game basis

but on that note, Microsoft doesn't actually change the code of the game in any way.
what they do is they create a modified wrapper for each individual game in order to optimise performance and accuracy.
think of it like a tailor made emulator-modification for each individual game

 

[CameFromNearFuture]

Agree

Lets not estimulate radical approach like there is on that other forum.

I understsand people are thirsty for something coming from Soony and very frustrated with ALL failed rumors, but lets not take to a point in wich every positive thought of a soon reveal should interpreted as a rumor.

Again, I was Just being positive. I appologise everyone

 

[IntentionalPun]

but on that bote, Microsoft doesn't actually change the code of the game in any way.
what they do is they create a modified wrapper for each individual game in order to optimise performance and accuracy.
think of it like a tailor made emulator-modification for each individual game

I'm aware of how it works; not sure where you got that I said they change the games. I said "an emulator with custom code per game." They customize the emulation via a VM basically.

Either way my point is, and like you implied, there's pretty much zero chance of "full BC" up and down the catalog, particularly for PS3 games.

 

[Null_Key]

Sony already has a pretty damn good PS1 emulator on the PSP, that emulator is still one of the best in existence.

so they should have absolutely no issue doing one for PS2.
PS3 is a different kinda beast, but on PC now there are massive steps in the right direction by fan made emulators... so Sony should have no issue creating one on par or better than that one.

the issue is more that they need 3 distinct emulators which all need to be highly compatible in order to pull this off.

so I only expect PS4.

possibility of being ready at launch day in my opinion:
PS1 = Easily
PS2 = Tricky but doable
PS3 = most likely only possible in the way Microsoft does 360 emulation, on a limited game by game basis

To be honest PS3 is very much doable with proper software emulation and minor software modification. The reason why PS4 didn't is primarily do to the complex nature of the cell processor and the jaguar cores was simply to weak to emulate it. PS4 and Xbox shifted there focus away from CPU heavy game and started utilizing GPGPU to do the heavy processing work. Xbox One was able to emulate 360 through heavy modification of the software in order to shift the instructions to GPU, PS4 didn't have this luxury, because unlike 360, the Cell chip had a PPE with 7 SPE with extremely precise instruction require, had RDRAM, RSX chip which is still fundamentally different from the APU AMD set in the PS4. It simply was too taxing, and would have worked very poorly. Remember most games back than was very CPU intensive, meaning in order to emulate require a massive amount of brute power. These new consoles are far more capable on both processing front and lacks alot of the bottlenecks in previous design. It's really not a matter of if the PS5 can emulate, but rather is there money to be made for Sony to invest in it. Granted it won't be a perfect emulation.

 

[DeeDogg_]

Fake insiders getting banned would be pretty lame; this isn't nazre Germsetera.

Umm...what? Then what stops anyone from claiming to be insiders especially with a no useful “vetting” system

 

[HawarMiran]

I edited the original post.
I swear I did not mean to create false hopes. I was Just expressing positive thoughts.

I really appologise for that

if you are from the future you should've known better....

 

[Phoebe Buffay]

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

If Sony and Microsoft were to pick: Intel, NVIDIA and Qualcomm as vendors for their next gen consoles or even previous consoles (Xbone and PS4) do you guys think you would have the following features that is being offered now and how much would it cost:

-Raytracing
-Variable Rate Shading
-4k native at 60fps
-wifi6
-HDMI 2.1 with G-sync or Variable Refresh Rate
-Fast SSD drive

Nvidia would find a way to fuck it up, Intel was murdered by AMD at CES, and Qualcomm would probably shove some spyware in there somehow.

So yeah, you'd probably still get all that stuff, but it'd cost you a lot more than just money.

Don't those emulators for old games require code modifications to support specific games?

Like the devs release an emu; it sucks for most games.. and then they slowly patch in changes to detect what game is loaded and add code?

Basically; Sony would have to do what MS has done for OG Xbox / 360 BC with Xbox One if they wanted to support PS1-3 on PS5 (or what they've done to bring PS1/2 games to PS4, which is they use an emulator with custom code per game AFAIK). They plan to have full BC with PS4 by keeping the architecture the same and other tricks (slowing the CPU/GPU/whatever needs to be done to mimic the PS4.)

So there would never be "full BC" with PS1-3; it would be for specific games.. and all the BS rumors don't seem to claim that.

That's vaguely how it works I suppose; a base version of the emulator that's generic enough to have decent compatibility, but updates which come down the line to patch up specific faults so more stubborn games will run.

I was thinking more they should just license some of those PS1/PS2/PS3 emulators and tune them a bit for PS5. Some of them have very high compatibility now, even certain PS3 ones. And those are running full-speed with many titles on hardware a lot less than what PS5 will be. It's not like Sony is against licensing emulators for 1st-party hardware releases, they did it (and screwed it up) with PS1 Classic.

 

[siekro1983]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Umm...what? Then what stops anyone from claiming to be insiders especially with a no useful “vetting” system

Yeah i should start some rumours that i have an image of the final PS5 design. Have people frantically PM and reply spam me for 20 pages and then go 'LOL Haha Gotcha'

Yeah that definitely wound not derail the thread and no one should be pissed off with me for misleading them.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

thicc_girls_are_teh_best
@FERN
It's a mirror!
@FERN
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

Damnit Tommy, now he's after FERN too! Don't worry we'll survive this night....I hope....

 

[TheStruggler]

Phil Spencer is tweeting about getting shown a Demo of Gears 5 with "enhancements"
basically hinting at a Series X patch that they are showing off.

I wonder how many patches like that will be ready for launch day?
would be kinda cool if the majority of first party titles get upgrades at launch

To bad the game still plays like trash.

just got back from Sonic movie, was pleasantly surprised, what did I miss boys?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

To bad the game still plays like trash.

just got back from Sonic movie, was pleasantly surprised, what did I miss boys?

Mod of War and a few users debating the abomination that is Tommy Fisher.
Mod of War giving Tommy until tomorrow to explain his hoax pics he sent regarding Dual Shock 5.
Users debating whether Tommy is a real insider (despite the obvious trolling from Tommy).
Some users actually defending Tommy.

That's about it.

 

[TheStruggler]

Mod of War and a few users debating the abomination that is Tommy Fisher.
Mod of War giving Tommy until tomorrow to explain his hoax pics he sent regarding Dual Shock 5.
Users debating whether Tommy is a real insider (despite the obvious trolling).
Some users actually defending Tommy.

That's about it.

Im surprised Mod giving him the benefit of the doubt with a time frame compared to an all out ban, I feel ya Mod of War

 

[Matreios Raven]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

Moreso the idea of “perpetual puberty” in describing some people on the internet, as far as I know. I think he meant that as a joke.

 

[Mod of War]

Yeah i should start some rumours that i have an image of the final PS5 design. Have people frantically PM and reply spam me for 20 pages and then go 'LOL Haha Gotcha'

Yeah that definitely wound not derail the thread and no one should be pissed off with me for misleading them.

That’s not how any of this works, you would definitely get quoted by me to check your DMs. I have always done this to those who make spurious claims.

 

[siekro1983]

Moreso the idea of “perpetual puberty” in describing some people on the internet, as far as I know. I think he meant that as a joke.

Really? damn there goes my postive hype.

 

[Mod of War]

Im surprised Mod giving him the benefit of the doubt with a time frame compared to an all out ban, I feel ya Mod of War

It’s not a ”benefit of the doubt”, it’s more to entertain it.

 

[David Ricardo]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

I think he was hinting at 12-13 teraflops.

 

[Matreios Raven]

Really? damn there goes my postive hype.

No, I don’t think he was writing off the PS5 puberty joke in the context it was presented. I think the ps5 joke dovetailed into the perpetual puberty joke.

 

[ethomaz]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

13.8TFs PS5 was a joke.
The puberty range is his claim for both consoles.

 

[Matreios Raven]

13.8TFs PS5 was a joke.
The puberty range is his claim for both consoles.

That‘s what I’ve read from BGs’s comments as well.

 

[SlimySnake]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

everything is a joke.
everything is a riddle.
everything is true.
except for the lies.

 

[Sinthor]

everything is a joke.
everything is a riddle.
everything is true.
except for the lies.

About 50% of these statements are true 99.9% of the time.

 

[Moridianae]

Still reasonably certain PS5 will reach 11.5-12TFs, since AMD confirmed both are RDNA2(if that article isn't confirmation, I look for it Friday).

13TFs, despite the Fisher Fallout, isn't out of the question, IF Sony wants the power "crown" for whatever reason.

The question I posit would be...if you're more advanced in your kit compared to MS, as some have stated, but only 0.5-1.0TF behind, why worry about it?

That's a negligible difference in the grand scheme and still is even IF you push those clocks to go 1TF *ahead*.

Sony just wrapped up the Player Celebration or whatever it was for the rewards folks could get for trophies. Maybe some news is coming after that.

Maybe next week, after the AMD thing. If that rumor was true about Microsoft showing something there(unlikely, but still), it could be they are waiting for Microsoft to "empty their initial magazine" before returning fire.

 

[MARTYWOLF]

I feel like a kid who has a friend with cooler parents

Raytracing ? 120fps why he so vague

 

[OsirisBlack]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

No it's not a joke. That post is loaded as hell.

 

[MARTYWOLF]

So what BG said about ps5 hitting puberty was a joke?

Yeah my assumption was 13tf from that remark

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

Do you all agree that if Sony did go with 9.2 TF’s (I don’t believe they did), they did so knowing full well that MS would go with a much higher number?

 

[MARTYWOLF]

Do you all agree that if Sony did go with 9.2 TF’s (I don’t believe they did), they did so knowing full well that MS would go with a much higher number?

I'm not gonna seem github as fake as it would of took alot of effort to make but I think it's possible it was ps5 at some point

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

I'm not gonna seem github as fake as it would of took alot of effort to make but I think it's possible it was ps5 at some point

umm...were you thinking you were responding to a different question?

 

[Matreios Raven]

Yeah, 9.2 TF is like Imperfect Cell And there are higher levels? Lol

 

[HawarMiran]

Do you all agree that if Sony did go with 9.2 TF’s (I don’t believe they did), they did so knowing full well that MS would go with a much higher number?

Why would it be 3 TF less? All the bullet points from microsoft and sony are practically the same. 4k 60/120 FPS, 8K, super fast SSD, hardware ray-tracing, same cpu. Makes no sense. Only thing that speaks for it is if they wanted a cheaper selling price, but we heard the BOM is 450.

 

[Chromata]

This thread is going in circles. For some reason, people are still debating 9.2 Tflops/Github. There's been no shortage of hints that the PS5/XSX are very close in power and we already know PS5 has RDNA2.

I also don't know why people started trusting Tommy Fisher. He went on a hiatus after people didn't buy his first batch of claims (like Sony already bought Remedy....lol). Then he pops up a second time and suddenly has a following. We've had people like Osiris, Heisenberg, and BGs here giving real hints for a while now, we actually know a lot about PS5/next gen already thanks to them.

 

[Shambala]

I honestly think Sony just doesn’t want to overshadow last of us 2 with fully revealing the PS5. Remember Microsoft is trying to get the upper hand for next gen. They have to go all in and start early trying to get back what they lost.. Sony on the other hand still have maybe what is their biggest game of this gen releasing soon. So why not wait till after to do a full press blowout

 

[siekro1983]

No it's not a joke. That post is loaded as hell.

I hope so. No offense OsirisBlack, but when it comes to hardware rumor specs, insiders have been wrong. I remember being super excited for pro when i heard about new CPU from you and was crushed. Then with the switch a insider from direct feed called drake was sure it would a tegra x 2. All i can say is i hope you and BG are right this time.

 

[Audiophile]

That box was an iconic piece of branding.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I do wonder why the reports are the BOM is cheaper, but it could simply be Sony’s purchasing power.

 

[saintjules]

Nuts. 21 units at this location.

 

[OsirisBlack]

I hope so. No offense OsirisBlack, but when it comes to hardware rumor specs, insiders have been wrong. I remember being super excited for pro when i heard about new CPU from you and was crushed. Then with the switch a insider from direct feed called drake was sure it would a tegra x 2. All i can say is i hope you and BG are right this time.

You don't have to believe me and I understand any skepticism, the other guy you name dropped. Pay him more attention than anyone else, myself included.

 

[Zero707]

LMAO

 

[SlimySnake]

No it's not a joke. That post is loaded as hell.

i mean thats part of the problem right here. you guys post riddles, and hints, and jokes and we never know what to make of them.

i appreciate your impressions and the overall energy the insiders bring to this thread which makes it a million times more entertaining than the era thread, but riddles, hints and jokes really do hurt your credibility. klee never had to do that. mod of war saying to treat you like tommy fisher is also weird because you say you have been vetted but mod of war is saying something different.

meanwhile, Heisenberg has gone from 9.5 tflops to 11.5 tflops which directly contradicts his bigly source within Sony. the same source that got him vetted. so why has the second source not been vetted? and shouldnt that disqualify the first source as being out of date or inaccurate?

and lastly, BGs is our only first hand source but he uses google translate to post and posts riddles and jokes even though we misread half of his posts where he is being a 100% serious.

there is also a lot of teasing about insider info, PMs to mods that have to be announced in the thread even though the info cannot be shared in the thread, and a lot of stuff that we simply dont get to hear that makes this thread a lot of fun to read everyday but leaves everyone here holding their dicks with blue balls and thanks to sony being a noshow week after week, no where to cum. at some point, all that cock teasing becomes annoying and old.