kiphalfton
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What differentiates a high-end PC from "next gen" (i.e. PS5/XSX). It has ray tracing, it has >3700 performance, it has 16 TF of performance, etc.
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Musky_Cheese
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LazyParrot
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It can play every PC game and most console games released in the past 40 years.
Trogdor1123
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Heard you can type on computers. I'll investigate and report back
diffusionx
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We don't actually know the performance so far, we've only seen what MS and Sony have wanted us to see. And we also don't know what a high-end PC will look like by the time these consoles come out - leaks from AMD and Nvidia are both pointing to massive upgrades over their current stuff. And we don't know what the games will look like on the consoles compared to PCs running on different levels of hardware.
So, too soon to tell.
So, too soon to tell.
tflopsmatter
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Consoles still have physical media. This will always make them superior to PCs. This is why I would never get into PC gaming because you can't go to Walmart and buy a game on physical media. I won't buy non-physical media that the developer can just delete and leave me with nothing.
If I get a PS5, I don't even plan on connecting it to the internet. This is not a joke. I do NOT like the idea of consoles that are connected online since I do not have an interest in multiplayer games.
If I get a PS5, I don't even plan on connecting it to the internet. This is not a joke. I do NOT like the idea of consoles that are connected online since I do not have an interest in multiplayer games.
V4skunk
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Never heard of Steam or gog?
bitbydeath
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Most games from the Win95 era and prior no longer work on PC unless emulated so I wouldn’t say that is exactly true.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Where the hell are people taking the clue from that these boxes will have R7 3700+ CPU performance levels. That's ridiculous.
KlickKlack
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All Console games are 100% optimized for the consoles hardware....
No cheaters thar ruin MP games on consoles...
because of this console wins every time for me.
No cheaters thar ruin MP games on consoles...
because of this console wins every time for me.
The_Observer
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Why can't PCMR leave the console players alone? Always this "PC this, PC that"... Always want to convince us and they cannot understand that there people (a lot of) who don't want the bullshit that comes with PC gaming and just want to enjoy games in their best possible way without playing on PC. You don't get this from console players but everyday there are topics made by PCMR types that question console players and try to convince them that PC is better. Why do you feel the need to do this? Just enjoy your precious PC and leave console gamers alone. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself in reality?
Bryank75
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As I've said in many other threads...
You have to buy each component of a PC build and every producer needs to make money from you as an individual customer. This means you pay way more per part than Sony or Nintendo do.....
So basically you are getting terrible value on hardware when you buy. A PC.
PCs are not infinitely upgradable, many times almost everything has to go... Like going to PCIE4.
Sony and Nintendo get to take advantage of economies of scale and have a duty to provide high quality content.... PC has nobody to curate and provide.
You have to buy each component of a PC build and every producer needs to make money from you as an individual customer. This means you pay way more per part than Sony or Nintendo do.....
So basically you are getting terrible value on hardware when you buy. A PC.
PCs are not infinitely upgradable, many times almost everything has to go... Like going to PCIE4.
Sony and Nintendo get to take advantage of economies of scale and have a duty to provide high quality content.... PC has nobody to curate and provide.
nkarafo
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Emulated or not, they can be played. You still don't have to wait for a re-release or re-buy them.
Additionally, you can play older gen games at much higher iq and 120+ fps if you have a fast monitor. Some games feel like free remasters if you push them high enough. I certainly enjoyed replaying Dead Space 2 at 240fps and 4k downsampled resolution.
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diffusionx
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Physical media isn't even a real thing anymore. The game on the disc is not the finished game more often than not, even at release, and the game runs off the hard drive. I tried to hold onto physical media too, but the studios and hardware makers worked to destroy it this gen... it's why GameStop is nearly bankrupt as a company. Soon enough 80-90% of sales will be digital and the game section at Walmart will look like the CD section. And those games will have keys, not even the real disc. It's going to happen.
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nkarafo
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You pay more upfront but in the long run you get better value. You get cheaper games and an almost unlimited backwards compatibility. Also a lot of homebrew emulators and mods.
Plus, when it comes to multiplatform games, console users always get the average experience. PC users get the best experience. You get what you paid for.
existensmaximum
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Physical media is alive and thriving in Sweden at least. Selling used games on auction sites is super easy and very popular. Of course gamestop is bankrupt when they try to sell used games at the same price as new games.
I buy new games at release and if I don't like it, I sell it at minimal loss.
Bryank75
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Depends what PC gamers you're talking about....
Only a small percentage play anything significantly better than consoles.
And the experience is quickly ruined if you're game is filled with people using aimbot and other mods like Destiny 2 is now full of....
So I don't really agree with any of that.
I think PC shines when it comes to strategy games and mmorpgs. As well as keeping old games accessible...
Even now, my favorite pc games are well over 15 years old.
diffusionx
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Physical media is alive and thriving in Sweden at least. Selling used games on auction sites is super easy and very popular. Of course gamestop is bankrupt when they try to sell used games at the same price as new games.
I buy new games at release and if I don't like it, I sell it at minimal loss.
Oh the discs exist. They’re just not actually the game. When you buy say RDR2 on disc and you pop it in day one and get a 50 GB patch, then it’s a digital game with a physical key, like dongles in old productivity software.
I was responding to the guy because he said he doesn’t plan on hooking up the PS5 to the internet. Every game that gets released these days is meant to be hooked to the internet.
diffusionx
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Why do people keep saying this here... I don’t care how other people play games. The whole point of the platform is you get the experience you want. It’s not a console. If you want to play CSGO on a potato then go nuts, it doesn’t affect me. If you want to build a cockpit and play sim racers with 3 screens cool. If you want to spend $4000 on a top of a line PC then great. Do what you want.
Destiny 2 is a giant piece of shit on every platform, nobody should be playing it.
nkarafo
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Well, almost all games i played this gen were 60fps for me. So that automatically makes them a better experience.
Also i dont play multiplayer games so i cant comment on that. You are probably right except from the fact that playing competitive shooters with a controller sounds weird to me. But hey, last mp game i ever played was Unreal Tournament 2003 so what do i know.
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existensmaximum
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Yes, I know what a patch is
It still doesn't change the fact that the discs exist and are widely used, and I honestly don't think they're going away any time soon.
I'm guessing that guy you quoted is like me - after the patch is downloaded, I won't use any online features for the game. And should be able to play the game just fine offline, forever.
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Chairman Tickles
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The ability to tailor ones gaming experience to ones liking and to steer clear of the yucky 30fps hardcap and half assed remasters, is differentiation enough to me. Then we got onto the whole emulation scene, just one example...all 6,000 Ps2 games at your fingertips. Thanks to beefy cpu's you can now emulate pixel perfectly at 100% speed in software on 6-8 cores. I need not go on.
PC GAMING IS OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR in 999/1000 ways. Consoles are all about compromises.
For me I care more about exclusive games themselves. So I usually end up with all platforms. But If I had to be thrifty, pc it would be all day long.
PC GAMING IS OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR in 999/1000 ways. Consoles are all about compromises.
For me I care more about exclusive games themselves. So I usually end up with all platforms. But If I had to be thrifty, pc it would be all day long.
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nkarafo
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GOG releases are like that. There is no DRM so you can easily backup your collection. You can even copy paste the installed files if you want and the games will still play.Yes, I know what a patch is
I'm guessing that guy you quoted is like me - after the patch is downloaded, I won't use any online features for the game. And should be able to play the game just fine offline, forever.
Same applies to Microsoft. Especially. I mean they released great games last year: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wccf...s-says-metacritic-sony-not-in-top-20.1530534/
And the one X is currently the most powerful console.
I think the best thing about consoles are that they are very accessible and they just work. No driver crap, no settings, no DRM crapsoftware, no Spyware etc.
people just wanna play and console is the easiest way to do that.
SoulUnison
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The controller and the environment, mostly.
existensmaximum
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That's great! Still 100% not interesting to me since there's no physical media.
nkarafo
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I spent less than 1.200 this gen for PC hardware and i still had a better experience than someone who bought both a base and a pro/X console.
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Kagey K
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Ok? How about for the baseline of next gen as the title of the thread suggests.
Also nobody paid 1200 for a pro or an X at retail. So
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nkarafo
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Im waiting for the consoles to be released first. And the new Nvidia cards ofc. Pretty sure a mid range 3060 will beat both consoles.Ok? How about for the baseline of next gen as the title of the thread suggests.
Also nobody paid 1200 for a pro or an X at retail. So
I was talking about people who had a base console and upgrated to a pro. They were close to paying 1000 this gen, didnt they?
Kagey K
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Sure but 1000 is still less then 1200, so I seem to be missing your point.
Self High Five
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This is not close to being true for PS2 emulation. You have to configure for every game on pcsx2 and there still plenty of glitches. Playing PS2 games on native hardware is far superior.
Most emulation beyond the 16 bit era (not including handhelds) are not good with the exception of Dolphin (cube/wii) and Dreamcast & PS1 emulation.
petran79
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Watching uhd, bd and dvds with region lock decryption, video, sound and image editing, superior media players and subtitles (madvr), modding games, emulators, custom controllers, upload and download options, streaming, chatting, video conferencing while playing, no need for external capture devices, no region locked games, piracy and Steamwork fix in cases of developers/publishers not giving a shit about DRM or fixing games you bought etc
Playing the games in HD with 60fps patches makes up for it
Playing the games in HD with 60fps patches makes up for it
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Self High Five
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"Cheaper games" that you can't sell, trade in & stuck with forever so I'm not sure how much cheaper in the long run it is. And outside of Steam sales, the digital pricing is on parity with consoles. And your backwards compaitbiliy is based on how much you get fucked over by the "cheaper games" you're buying via DRM. Gaming for Windows Live is a perfect example. That doesn't happen with physical media on consoles.
And you mentioned you paid $1.200 for your PC. That is three times the MSRP of a PS4 Pro. Yes, you indeed get what you paid for.
Chairman Tickles
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Nope. PCSX2 now has full multicore cpu support. Set emulation to safe, disable all speedhacks and bam. On a ryzen or current intel with 6-7 threads you get full speed at native res. You tailor nothing, every effect is present, and all my ps2 games run hunky dory and look far better even at native resolution than on a base ps2 slim with component which i used to use. The compatibility list is misleading, it refers to the hardware renderer. Software mode brute forces at a low enough level to eliminate 99.99999999999999999% of glitches.
Now I eagerly await viable low level software emulation of n64 games. Still limited to one core and too slow. While mupen with glide yields 99% compatibility in hardware, I still prefer 99.9999999%.
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daninthemix
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We needed another PC vs console thread? Really?
Of course consoles are closest to PC at the start of a gen, but guess what happens after that? That's right - time. Time happens, and PCs never stop getting more powerful.
Of course consoles are closest to PC at the start of a gen, but guess what happens after that? That's right - time. Time happens, and PCs never stop getting more powerful.
Balducci30
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Next gen doesn’t really start for most game companies till the consoles release. And imo consoles tend to have the best exclusives and pure gaming experiences.
Elektro Demon
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Your 3700x will last you many years. You just need to upgrade your gpu down the line and you'll be fine.
Chairman Tickles
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But this isn't even true. One hdmi cable and xbox one controller later and bam, you're couch gaming with your pc.
Barnabot
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everyone cheers when a next gen console is released because of the increased baseline quality of developmet those games which are aimed to consoles first. and pc can get more quality and performance from the same game released for consoles.
meaning: games on consoles have compromises because of the lower specs in order to make them enjoyable/playable.
meaning: games on consoles have compromises because of the lower specs in order to make them enjoyable/playable.
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KlickKlack
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"what is the name of the most played game on PC?"
"graphic options"
"graphic options"
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