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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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Werewolf Jones
Member
LET FREEDOM RING WITH A SHOTGUN BLAST.
Saint Boot
Banned
So Ellie can no longer play the guitar because she lost some fingers?
Tell me more:
(It's his right hand)
Tell me more:
(It's his right hand)
lachesis
Member
Abby's father was not a surgeon in my opinion. He tried to kill a living person for the sake of research for the possible cure., which nobody knows whether it's going to work or not. The Hippocratic oath - even modern modified oath - that that quack most likely have taken meant nothing for him. He's a disgrace for a doctor.
Falcs
Banned
Saint Boot
Banned
I would also add that we truly have no reason whatsoever to belive that the fireflies would have turned their findings over to any goverment bodies in control of various zones in order to give mankind a chance. They have fought and killed military people almost from the start, and the military has also tried to kill them as well.
You can't just wave a white flag at that point. I'm glad those fireflies are dead.
Saint Boot
Banned
lachesis
Member
Welp, I would have done this instead if I "had" a choice, tbh.
I didn't know they changed the race of the doctor from brown skin to white skin though.
lastmessiah
Member
it’s actually kind of fascinating that Sony allowed this game to be released.
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Dear god I am not ready for this game to be as divisive as The Last Jedi.
I can’t wait for when people assume you’re a bigot if you criticize this game at all.
Umbral
Member
Jesse should have been the protagonist. Of everything I’ve seen, he’s the only likeable character outside of Ellie.
Umbral
Member
Oh, they’ve already got their armor on. Strapped to their chests, covering all their vitals, are the identities of all the characters in the game.
Halo is Back
Member
Nope, that is too stupid to be truePossible ending spoiled:
Halo is Back
Member
My reaction when liberals are triggered by a hat
Halo is Back
Member
I am going to have to grab the popcorn when Angry Joe makes his review.
PanzerAzel
Member
Wait....what?
GenericUser
Member
Don't care about the game, but the memes and meltdowns are going to be glorious.
This thing is the most memeable game ever.
Next days are going to be glorious.
Mochilador
Member
Guess it's officially canon now haha.NOT CONSIDERED CANON
Explosive Zombie
Banned
You accuse me of lying. Wow. I’m sick of your posts, they’re draining.
Owen enters with the shotgun. That I had wrong. It’s almost off-screen, so I overlooked it by mistake. Abby enters with empty hands, they walk in from the garage where they tied up the horses. I thought you watched the video too?
I went ahead and drew out a map of the room, complete with Tommy’s point-of-view with peripheral vision. The only person he may not be able to see is hat guy.
The “5 minutes“ is in the video you claimed to have also watched. It’s actually sub-5 minutes but I rounded up for simplicity. If you wanna split hairs, we can call it 8 minutes to include the arrival at the cabin and the tying up of the horses.
I’m done talking with you. You are more interested in being right and “winning” than you are in the truth. We’re at an impasse and I can’t do your thinking for you. I can’t help you with your mental projections either. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I want except from what I’ve told you. I wanted this to be good and it appears as though it’s less than its predecessor. Expect to see me here critiquing the game once it’s out and I’ve played it. I have no issue admitting when I’m wrong.
"The image you are requesting does not exist or is no longer available" is my favorite kind of evidence. I watched whatever video was linked in this thread pages ago, not sure what you tried to link here but it goes nowhere. The pedantic particulars of what occurs don't change that you're being totally unrealistic in your expectations here. It takes a few seconds to grab a gun and point it at someone's leg, the most Tommy could have done is called out but it'd be futile, how would it improve the game? Drawing maps of rooms to figure out a characters peripheral vision sounds like something someone does who wants to enjoy a game.
The video I watched did not contain the 5 minutes, again I watched what was linked in here which is just that scene in question.
Wait, I'm more interested in being right and winning? YOU DREW A MAP OF THE ROOM. What truth am I meant to acknowledge? The game is bad because Tommy didn't react faster? Sorry, that's not how I judge things. It's less than its predecessor because tough badasses like Tommy and Joel never let anyone get the drop on them, right?
Notice you said situation and dangers they currently live in, part of the idea of TLOU II is they've been living in a thriving decent community for years now.
What would a group of armed guerillas do against their entire settlement? The whole reason they waited outside for Joel is because they were no match for that many people. Joel and Tommy aren't thinking of these people as specifically searching for them, why would they? They certainly wouldn't perceive a threat to a settlement as strong as theirs from this group.
That's ignoring their character development entirely, especially Joel's.
There's a scene where he warns her to keep her immunity a secret, that has obvious reasoning behind it.
You guys are telling me your expert opinions based on these leaks but then get details of the leaks wrong, maybe wait until you've seen the entire game to judge this stuff? I get it, you're really upset Joel bites it and since you're upset you're thinking what they could have done to avoid it because that's what you want, it doesn't matter how logical it is, no matter how much you pretend your problems are logic-based, your problem is that it happens at all and then you tried to find ways to make it seem dumb that it happens when really it happening has simply made you emotional.
Umbral
Member
The only one I know of is the rat king, which is a knot of infected, just like a real rat king. I think there was concept art of it somewhere. It’s only in one scene as far as I’ve heard.
Here’s concept art from the first game that is suspected to be it.
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ZZZZ
Member
Yes, you are hopeless.
The first 3 hours of the game have been leaked, which contains the entire scene and situation we are discussing here.
Joel and Tommy doesn't think their armed guerrillas are a threat to them? How do they know that's their entire group (It's not btw) and it's not just a scouting group looking for information so they can attack later, why did these armed group created a safe perimeter in a house in the middle of nowhere that just happens to be close to their city?
They are a thriving community that has patrols almost every day to look for dangers so they don't get caught by surprise.
Even if they think the group of armed guerrillas are not a threat to their entire city, they are a threat to them if they decide to attack.
Again, Joel and Tommy have been surviving on this hostile environment for over 20+years, they are applying this knowledge every week on their patrols, and all of a sudden they go full retard out of nowhere.
I was expecting Joel to die since they announced a sequel, i'm not upset at all to be honest.
What i'm upset is with this awful writing, that's so bad it actually diminishes the first game.
I'm done arguing this subject, it's clear you aren't changing your mind and i'm not going to change mine, not with the substantial amount of evidence.
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Umbral
Member
The images got taken down because they’re taking down everything they can. I re-uploaded them to my post.
You’re assuming an awful lot of motive from anybody with complaints.
I’ve seen ALL of the footage that’s leaked. That includes the 3 hours from the start screen to well past Joel’s death plus the 1.5 hours that had leaked before, and every little clip I can find since.. You haven’t seen it and yet you’re telling me that I’m making things up or getting details wrong. They weren’t waiting for Joel and Tommy. They were in the area scouting and Abby, by dumb luck, ran into them on a patrol after nearly getting killed by a runner. Joel saves her. They spend about 5 mins running before they get to the cabin.
The first photo was simply highlighting that Abby did indeed walk into that room, as did the rest of the group, and that she did not have anything in her hands. The only person with a visible weapon is Owen carrying the shotgun.
I drew the map of the room to demonstrate where people were standing and to show there’s no way for Owen to hand the shotgun to Abby and for her to position it without Tommy seeing it.
This is my last reply to you.
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Umbral
Member
I noticed another plot hole in the scene.
Both Joel and Tommy have pistols, yet when Abby shoots Joel, Tommy just screams “No!“ instead of pulling his gun and is subsequently pistol whipped by Nora until he’s unconscious.
There’s also a fairly long gap where Abby grabs a golf club and orders Manny and Tall Guy to clear out, leaving only Owen aiming his shotgun at Joel.
Joel has 2 free hands to grab his pistol and try to fight back, instead he just sits there and waits for the club. The pistol is his only fighting chance as he can’t walk and Owen is out of arms reach. At the very least, he could have spared himself the torture by pulling his gun on Owen who would then blast him in the face.
They needed Abby to kill him though, so this doesn’t happen because Owen would then take away Abby’s reward of killing Joel herself.
This whole sequence could have been written and handled a lot better.
Both Joel and Tommy have pistols, yet when Abby shoots Joel, Tommy just screams “No!“ instead of pulling his gun and is subsequently pistol whipped by Nora until he’s unconscious.
There’s also a fairly long gap where Abby grabs a golf club and orders Manny and Tall Guy to clear out, leaving only Owen aiming his shotgun at Joel.
Joel has 2 free hands to grab his pistol and try to fight back, instead he just sits there and waits for the club. The pistol is his only fighting chance as he can’t walk and Owen is out of arms reach. At the very least, he could have spared himself the torture by pulling his gun on Owen who would then blast him in the face.
They needed Abby to kill him though, so this doesn’t happen because Owen would then take away Abby’s reward of killing Joel herself.
This whole sequence could have been written and handled a lot better.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
People who have worthwhile arguments always say things like "I'm done arguing" and "this is my last reply to you". Great arguments also stem from stuff like "I've seen lots of stuff but won't link any of it even in PMs because then you might see I'm wrong." Know who else saw all this? Every critic who's praising the game and its writing. Wait, that's right, it's all paid for, even the youtubers praising it are paid for because clearly anyone else would have trouble with Tommy not reacting fast enough, clearly everyone should know this was bad writing except the only people complaining about it are people who read/watch out of context leaks/spoilers, weird right?
Even if it's Owen with a shotgun that still highlights the idea that people were standing around already armed, the idea would be at some point when we're not seeing her she takes the shotgun from Owen and I guess your assumption would be Tommy is meant to not only fully notice this but instantly recognize what it means? I notice you gave up on the idea that she had it aimed at Joel prior to her being shown, because the video evidence proves you wrong, the video I saw cuts to Abby and as she's speaking she aims it at Joel. The amount of time anyone would have to react to that is amazingly small, especially a couple old timers. Usually people you save from near death don't behave like this. You can say they should know better but most the time someone is dangerous in their world you can see it by how they look, Abby's group looks well dressed, well nourished... they don't look like they need to kill two dudes for what they've got on them and that's the normal threat other people pose. Why does it even matter they tell them their names for instance? The only reason it's a problem to do that is because the character Abby is looking for Joel, in order for him to recognize he shouldn't tell anyone his name is Joel he'd have to understand there's someone out for revenge on him years after the events of TLOU 1. That's irrational, why would he believe that? Like would it really have been a better written scene if they were gave fake names or withheld their names? If they refused to enter the room because there's too many armed people (if they wanted to kill them they were already outnumbered and outgunned)? If Tommy yelled something out in the few seconds there was to realize what was occurring? Nah, none of this would have changed a damn thing.
Also, you don't know what a plot hole is, a character not doing the most logical thing IS NOT a plot hole. Yeah, weird that Joel just sits there after taking a shot to his knee, almost like he's in tremendous pain. I'm sure you're some amazing writer, clearly.
Even if it's Owen with a shotgun that still highlights the idea that people were standing around already armed, the idea would be at some point when we're not seeing her she takes the shotgun from Owen and I guess your assumption would be Tommy is meant to not only fully notice this but instantly recognize what it means? I notice you gave up on the idea that she had it aimed at Joel prior to her being shown, because the video evidence proves you wrong, the video I saw cuts to Abby and as she's speaking she aims it at Joel. The amount of time anyone would have to react to that is amazingly small, especially a couple old timers. Usually people you save from near death don't behave like this. You can say they should know better but most the time someone is dangerous in their world you can see it by how they look, Abby's group looks well dressed, well nourished... they don't look like they need to kill two dudes for what they've got on them and that's the normal threat other people pose. Why does it even matter they tell them their names for instance? The only reason it's a problem to do that is because the character Abby is looking for Joel, in order for him to recognize he shouldn't tell anyone his name is Joel he'd have to understand there's someone out for revenge on him years after the events of TLOU 1. That's irrational, why would he believe that? Like would it really have been a better written scene if they were gave fake names or withheld their names? If they refused to enter the room because there's too many armed people (if they wanted to kill them they were already outnumbered and outgunned)? If Tommy yelled something out in the few seconds there was to realize what was occurring? Nah, none of this would have changed a damn thing.
Also, you don't know what a plot hole is, a character not doing the most logical thing IS NOT a plot hole. Yeah, weird that Joel just sits there after taking a shot to his knee, almost like he's in tremendous pain. I'm sure you're some amazing writer, clearly.
Jon Neu
Banned
Yeah, a character previously shown as super cautious and super quick minded in survival situations even when he was almost certainly to die and in incredible pain acting literally the contrary is a plot hole. The Joel that scolded Ellie for telling some kid her real name is now happy to go to the house of some random armed strangers and tell them his name and where he lives.
The last seasons of GoT are full of characters doing stupid shit that break their characters too and left the entire plots meaningless because nothing had any finesse or weight anymore. it was like suddenly everybody became stupid and had to break character all the time to advance the stupid suvberting your expectations plots.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Ellie is actually a person being sought after due to her being special, that's why she has to hide who she is. The whole game is about how important Ellie is. You guys read Joel at the start of TLOU as super cautious and super quick minded (how do you reconcile him getting caught, anyways?) when in reality he had simply given up on the world and caring about it until Ellie taught him to care again. If Joel is a more trusting, nicer person in TLOU II, that's because of Ellie and his character arc.
I really don't get what you guys want, so say Joel reaches for his gun and then gets killed right there on the spot... is the scene better? Why would Joel do that knowing it'd get him killed? Not to mention, harming any of them, in his view, could put Tommy in danger. They're clearly after Joel at that point, if Tommy has any chance of survival why would Joel ruin that by trying to kill any of them? He can't win in this scenario, the game is lost the second his ability to ever walk again is removed. He's an old man, and he's guilt-ridden by some of his choices. You guys don't view things in terms of character or emotion, though, it's all logic-based nonsense, logically he shouldn't have said his name because logically he should be cautious of everyone... okay... since the game is going to arrive where it did either way and you know it is I'm not seeing how you'd write it better. The way it's done is actually pretty neat to me, half of why I'm defending it (the other half being I've hated what people consider plot holes for so long now). He saves her life and they're getting along and then their names are spoken and suddenly it all goes wrong, the idea that you'd be face to face with the man you wanted revenge on and not only has he saved your life but he's a nice guy seemingly. One of the game's themes is how pointless revenge is, had Joel been an ass to them, extra cautious and unwilling to be helpful the message is muddied, instead we have Joel as a nicer, kinder more trusting human due to Ellie helping Abby and being nice to her group and her blind need for revenge pushes her to what she does despite these facts. It never enters her mind to question why someone seemingly as good-hearted as Joel would have killed her father, because of the tunnel vision the need for revenge can give us. This in turn leads to Ellie wanting revenge on Abby and the same tunnel vision that doesn't let her see Abby for who she really is.
Characters in media do stupid shit all the time, but you rarely see this much scrutiny unless the action results in a "good" character's death. The thing is, people struggle so much with the idea of characters they love dying they need to tell themselves they only died due to bad writing or something. Most of Joel's caution in TLOU 1 involves him protecting Ellie, he's never had much caution when it comes to his own life, without Ellie he'd probably have killed himself by now, he didn't have a reason to live before her.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
This is mega fucked.
In trailer there was Joel instead of whoever is it.
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Lol. How the hell did he survive for twenty years before meeting Ellie then?
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I think he always have someone to live for, I think it's pretty clear in the beginning with Tess. And how it makes him to rely on Ellie. Because you know, somewhere deep down I understand.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
He was the type who was willing to put his life in danger, but he survived because he was good at what he did and was callous. I agree that Tess kept him going but it wasn't enough to break through his guilt-ridden sorrow until Ellie.
Jon Neu
Banned
Joel is the ultimate survivor, he’s always alert and he doesn’t trust anyone except for Tess.
Ellie has softened his feelings, but that doesn’t automatically make him a fluffy bear without any shred of a brain. That’s stupid, the world is still fucked up and he would want to survive even more now that he has someone he cares about.
And he can get caught, but one thing is getting caught and the other is being ridiculously dumb for the sake of advancing the plot.
Well, it’s more believable at least.
But you know you can write it in a way that Joel and Tommy simply don’t go happily into this strangers house while revealing their names and where they live just the second they meet. It’s the laziest writing ever and shows that Cuckmann only cared about dealing with Joel fast in the most gruesome way possible just to have the story of Ellie and Abby roll out. He had zero respect for the character in the way he wrote his death.
It’s actually you the one who doesn’t care about character emotions and traits. Characters have their own personalities and traits, that’s why you have to write them according to them. You have to make the plot according to the characters, not force the characters out of character to advance the plot.
Joel could have been ambushed in plenty of other believable ways, but it’s obvious the scene was writting to subvert expectations so Neil just made Joel and Tommy dumb and careless all of sudden for plot reasons.
It’s exactly the same type of writting of the last season of GoT or The Last Jedi.
Weak ass excuse.
GoT showed you can kill the protagonists and still be well written and awesome. This just is dumb writting, it has nothing to do with killing the character, but how you do it and why for.
I mean, have you seen the scene? It’s fucking terrible, with the silly Abby flashback just before killing Joel so we are supposed to feel some kind of pity for her.
I literally couldn’t stop laughing at how cheap, cringe and bad all of that was. It was just crappy telefilm like.
Falcs
Banned
It's absolute shit writing. You can either see it, or you're in denial. Plain and simple.
"Who are you?"
"Guess"
Guess?
Guess!??
How the actual fuck is Joel supposed to know who she is?
"Who are you?"
"Guess"
"Oh, uh... Guess? Let's see.. You just shot my leg, so... you must have a pretty good reason to be pissed at me... Hmm..
Are you by any chance the trans-looking son.. err.. daughter of one of the surgeons that I killed years ago because they were about to murder a child?"
"I sure am!!"
"Ah.. Cool. Cool. I had a feeling that might be the case. Whelp.. Carry on then. "
"Fore!!"
"Who are you?"
"Guess"
Guess?
Guess!??
How the actual fuck is Joel supposed to know who she is?
"Who are you?"
"Guess"
"Oh, uh... Guess? Let's see.. You just shot my leg, so... you must have a pretty good reason to be pissed at me... Hmm..
Are you by any chance the trans-looking son.. err.. daughter of one of the surgeons that I killed years ago because they were about to murder a child?"
"I sure am!!"
"Ah.. Cool. Cool. I had a feeling that might be the case. Whelp.. Carry on then. "
"Fore!!"
Shantae
Banned
Since this is the spoilers thread, and most people in here would be familiar with what the plot leaks are already for this game. Honestly, is anyone whose already been spoiled still actually interested in this game? Like legit thinks that the game looks or sounds good in any way.
It just boggles my mind that after the leaks that so many were hyping up the review thread, and are still probably anticipating the release this week.
I've always been getting bad vibes from this game since it's release, and felt it never needed a sequel since I played the first one in 2013. All the leaks have done is confirm my belief that it never needed a sequel, but what's worse is that it sounds as fucking awful as it does.
Not trying to shit on you if you are still anticipating it, but I'm wondering if anyone exists who actually does still have hope for this game after knowing the plot details that we already know?
It just boggles my mind that after the leaks that so many were hyping up the review thread, and are still probably anticipating the release this week.
I've always been getting bad vibes from this game since it's release, and felt it never needed a sequel since I played the first one in 2013. All the leaks have done is confirm my belief that it never needed a sequel, but what's worse is that it sounds as fucking awful as it does.
Not trying to shit on you if you are still anticipating it, but I'm wondering if anyone exists who actually does still have hope for this game after knowing the plot details that we already know?
S
Steve.1981
Unconfirmed Member
Oh my god I just seen the new leaks.
Bigot sandwiches you guys.
Bigot sandwiches!
That is an instant classic right there. One for the ages.
Bigot sandwiches you guys.
Bigot sandwiches!
That is an instant classic right there. One for the ages.
DonJorginho
Banned
I am one of the minority, I've shat on the game, cancelled my pre-order, saw the state of play then pre-ordered again and am hopeful that the story could work together with context.
However I don't think that'll happen so I'm only playing this game for the gameplay as it looks like something I'll enjoy.
HotPocket69
Banned
I just need to see it and judge it myself regardless of all the shit being thrown at it. Visually it looks pretty fucking incredible and ND have always been top class when it comes to their mo cap so I really want to see how far they’ve come with it since Uncharted 4. Also excited for the sound production.
I’m basically all in for the tech at this point, but who knows, maybe the story will suck me in too regardless of the writing or plot holes. We shall see!
Mochilador
Member
Me. I wasn't excited for the game before the leaks but now I am.
Story wise, this is something you don't see everyday. Killing main characters, making them go through shit, a sad ending.
I like it. I just hope the gameplay is fun too.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
The "ultimate survivor"... okay.
Ah, right, we really need things slightly more believable don't we?
Wait, what does them trusting these strangers and telling them their names have to do with how gruesome his death is, exactly? Why is it faster to have them meet up like that? Whatever your problems with how Joel behaves as a character (which is LOL) it doesn't fit these conclusions you're coming to at all.
Ah yes, same writing as The Last Jedi, I see it now! Clearly! They just wanted to subvert expectations! Because your expectation was Joel would only die while angrily fighting off a horde of people, he could never ever be taken by surprise! Honestly by surprise works a lot better for me, if Joel had even an inkling of their intent this ULTIMATE SURVIVOR should have been able to deal with them. Joel let his guard down because he's been living a softer life in this nice community, he started thinking people were good and the real threat was the spore zombies again.
It's weird you're using GoT as both a positive and negative example in the same post. GoT was all about making you empathize with the most despicable characters, though, especially if you read the books. The book would highlight the tragic underpinning of even
the death of Joffrey, as he's just a child
you spent at least a month whining about Eddard the SMARTEST character getting fooled and dying
the red wedding! they totally should have figured out what was happening! there were so many signs!
Yeah, I'm in denial, but not over the writing... it's fine... I'm in denial over the idea any of you were ever going to give the game a chance. Once GAF as a whole has really gotten into the game and more people know what occurs and within its proper context I'm wondering how far these silly complaints will get you in conversation? This thread has been a pretty nice echo chamber for you guys but once the OT is full of people who have experienced it I'm wondering if you'd dare leave the sanctity of this thread which essentially exists for non-fans to complain about the silliest things you can imagine.
Fenris Wolf
Member
Okay i'm kinda curious. The story clearly sucks. Neil changed characters drastically and it is not making any sense. why would a former firefly, killer, hunter, torturer etc. Become so soft exactly while he didn't even pick a single brick out of someone's way to help them in his entire life? Specially since he is the "Daryl Dixon" of Jackson city! He is the guy who goes out for hunting and finds supplies. So in his way he always face shitty circumstances. So what changed all of a sudden? The point that Neil wanted to pull a new character out of thin air was exactly how they handled Sam Drake. I don't even care about Joel dying in this game. The thing which bothers me is the drastic change in everyone's character. Joel is a weak oldman caring for strangers & forgets about the ways of being a survivor, Ellie becomes a sensitive angry teen who murders everyone and literally destroys everything but allows the major person who killed her father-like figure to leave in peace... I don't fucking know man, it feels like a fanfic straight from pornhub! My curiosity is to why the game earned so many fucking full score if it has story problems & the gameplay barely had massive changes?
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HotPocket69
Banned
Great writing from the Life Is Strange team
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I don't know why any of you expect great plots or writing in video games. I don't think I've played one with great scripts.
Maybe if Disco Elysium comes out for Gamepass it will change my mind.
Put it this way. Even in the 90s when companies went gung ho on hiring real actors to do animations and dialogue it was corny as hell. And some games like Wing Commander and Sierra games put a lot of budget into it. But still cheesy as hell.
I'd bet even a low budget series on Showtime with amateur actors nobody has heard of is better than 99.9% of plots and scripts in video game history.
Maybe if Disco Elysium comes out for Gamepass it will change my mind.
Put it this way. Even in the 90s when companies went gung ho on hiring real actors to do animations and dialogue it was corny as hell. And some games like Wing Commander and Sierra games put a lot of budget into it. But still cheesy as hell.
I'd bet even a low budget series on Showtime with amateur actors nobody has heard of is better than 99.9% of plots and scripts in video game history.