Fabieter
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That's why it's around ps4 pro. It's not around ps5.
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Nintendo Switch 2 Motherboard leaked, confirms TSMC N6/SEC8N
That's why it's around ps4 pro. It's not around ps5.
kevboard
Member
they would need to clock it lower than the Switch 1 in order to be less powerful than the Steam Deck. I doubt this will happen.
kevboard
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Nintendo Switch 2 SOC May Be Produced on a 5nm Process Node; To Have Max Clock Speed Higher Than 2.5 GHz
A new video shared online today provides some interesting information on the Nintendo Switch 2, such as the process node used for the SOC and morewccftech.com
Personally, I expect 4TF in docked mode, but if this is true, then we can expect over 8TF! (1536 * 2 * 2653)
It would run circles around Xbox Series S. And it probably wouldn't consume more than 50W (those 2 fans will be needed).
if that calculation is with dual issue FP32 it will be on par with the Series S. but it's hard to fully compare RDNA2 and Ampere.
with Nvidia's superior RT and with DLSS it will probably be better just through better tech instead of higher raw power.
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Negotiator
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My calculation didn't involve dual issue.
ALUs * 2 ops * clock speed
OG PS4: 1152 ALUs * 2 ops * 800 MHz = 1.84 TF
Fun fact: with so many custom nVidia features, if a Switch 2 emulator ever comes out (there's speculation the OS is roughly the same with Switch 1, maybe that's why Nintendo suspended emulator sites), it's going to require an nVidia GPU with DLSS and RTX, at least Ampere or even Ada Lovelace as a bare minimum.
There's no way it's gonna run in a Radeon GPU, unless AMD miraculously achieves feature parity with nVidia...
LordOcidax
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Calm down, that’s not going to happen, CPU frequency doesn’t change when docked. 2TF undocked and 4TF+ docked is my prediction.Nintendo Switch 2 SOC May Be Produced on a 5nm Process Node; To Have Max Clock Speed Higher Than 2.5 GHz
A new video shared online today provides some interesting information on the Nintendo Switch 2, such as the process node used for the SOC and more
Personally, I expect 4TF in docked mode, but if this is true, then we can expect over 8TF! (1536 * 2 * 2653)
It would run circles around Xbox Series S. And it probably wouldn't consume more than 50W (those 2 fans will be needed).
Negotiator
Member
I was talking about the GPU clock.
James Sawyer Ford
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There were rumors of Nintendo clocking it extremely low to prioritize battery life
kevboard
Member
yeah I figured.
the question with clocks this high will be how the mobile clocks will be. they do target a 4x higher pixel density in docked mode, so pushing it as far as it can to while docked makes sense.
however at some point there would be such a huge gulf between docked and mobile clocks that it would either lead to the docked mode hardware capabilities being perpetually underutilized, or the mobile mode not being even remotely able to keep up with the docked mode settings of a game, leading to a massive quality difference.
I would have never expected such high clock speeds. I always assumed they will clock docked mode at around 1.2 to 1.3 GHz max.
as I assumed that the new Tegra chips will target similar/only slightly higher maximum clock speeds as the X1
RodriGames40
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Is there a chance this might be the CPU? Even then that's huge, the A57 of the Switch only clocked up to 1 Ghz...Nintendo Switch 2 SOC May Be Produced on a 5nm Process Node; To Have Max Clock Speed Higher Than 2.5 GHz
A new video shared online today provides some interesting information on the Nintendo Switch 2, such as the process node used for the SOC and more
Personally, I expect 4TF in docked mode, but if this is true, then we can expect over 8TF! (1536 * 2 * 2653)
It would run circles around Xbox Series S. And it probably wouldn't consume more than 50W (those 2 fans will be needed).
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kevboard
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it would need to run below 400mhz to be less powerful than the Steam Deck. that is ridiculously low. and this is talking handheld mode.
in docked mode it would need to be clocked quite a bit below the Switch 1's docked mode clock speeds to be below PS4 performance.
imo both of these scenarios are very unlikely.
for comparison, the Steam Deck GPU runs at a variable clock speed between 1.0 and 1.6 GHz. realistically around the lower end with short moments of boosts above 1.0 Ghz. and even the lower end is twice as high as the Switch 1 mobile clock speeds
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Negotiator
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Hmmm, could be.
8 ARM A78 cores @ 2.653 GHz with a lightweight Nintendo OS could run many games just fine.
I remember people overclocking Tegra X1's A57 cores to 1.75 GHz and Zelda BoTW could run at 60 fps... imagine this mobile beast with Switch 2 patches (hopefully free, don't pull a Sony).
Even if it's just 4TF in docked mode, this is going to be more powerful compared to Xbox Series S due to architectural differences (Ampere + DLSS vs RDNA2).
PS4+ portable vs XSS+ docked seems very enticing.
Fabieter
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Japanese devs must be thrilled to have a strong upcoming consoles which is actually moving software in Japan.
RodriGames40
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I believe some people have looked up benchmarks and when clocked at 2 Ghz, those cores should be around 70% of 8 console Zen 2 cores which is very good. At 2.6 Ghz that's only gonna get better.
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AngelMuffin
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Honestly, what were you expecting? A high-end, $600-$700 cutting edge console? You don’t reach mass market sales with that kind of strategy. You only buy this thing to play Nintendo published titles (which will be great) and less demanding 3rd party &!indie games…same as the current Switch.
Shaki12345
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There is NO way Luigi's Mansion 3 could ever run on a PS3 at this fidelity. BotW and TotK would explode a PS3.
Dude it's ok. You're not an expert.
We could go on for hours here. The Witcher 3 port could NEVER run on PS3. PS3 has a few great exclusives that are tailored around everything PS3. But at the end of the line it's a much less capable system.
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James Sawyer Ford
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RDR comparison shows the switch is only marginally more powerful than ps3
All of these games could be downported to ps3
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Shaki12345
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RDR doesn't show anything pal. You're here saying BotW, TotK and Luigi's Mansion 3 could run at a playable and acceptable performance level, with good IQ on a PS3.
And you're expecting us to take you seriously? Dude. You're really, really funny.
James Sawyer Ford
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Yes, they could
LM3 is a confined game, and BOTW is not something impossible on ps3, there’s plenty of open world games and BOTW isn’t even impressive visually it’s a Wii U game
Shaki12345
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I'm gonna stop responding to you now. You must be trolling here or you're beyond stupid.
Fabieter
Member
We had loads of gen 8 ports which looked and run really great on switch 1. Some of them were said to be impossible before they did it. Come on now.
Negotiator
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Let's keep this in mind:
Switch 2 could easily render natively at 540p and AI upscale to 1080p for portable mode.
Native 1080p in docked and AI upscale to 4K.
Switch 2 could easily render natively at 540p and AI upscale to 1080p for portable mode.
Native 1080p in docked and AI upscale to 4K.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Looking at benchmark comparisons of third party ports and coming to the conclusion that any of them are impossible is beyond stupid.
Zannegan
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This is what I was thinking of. Pretty strong denial from the top (again, not that it's proof positive): https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-addresses-switch-2-reports-denies-it-has-briefed-developers
And while a custom chip may be more performant than many will assume, I won't make the mistake of counting on it.
Negotiator
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GPU perf-wise this could be a potential target (even for DF tests):
www.techpowerup.com
It's close to RX 470 (PS4 Pro), but with way more advanced architecture/feature set.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile Specs
NVIDIA GA107, 1343 MHz, 2048 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 1500 MHz, 128 bit
It's close to RX 470 (PS4 Pro), but with way more advanced architecture/feature set.
James Sawyer Ford
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Absolute nonsense, 15B transistors is close to an RTX 3070. This "analysis" is only looking at CPU/GPU and ignoring differences in memory, cache and the fact that T239 doesn't have an NPU or automotive-grade RAS.
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Negotiator
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"Minor" downgrades?
How are you going to fit Switch's 4GB UMA textures to PS3's 256MB VRAM?
Downsize them to 3Dfx Voodoo texture quality?
fran.fernandez
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Less than ps4.
James Sawyer Ford
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It’s funny, you have shills in this thread claiming switch 2 will run PS5 era games but somehow ps3 not being able to run switch exclusives despite plenty of third party evidence
You guys can’t have your cake and eat it too
Fabieter
Member
It's also gonna be possible to play every ps5 game on switch 2 with some tweaks and downgrades.
Negotiator
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4096MB is 16 times bigger than 256MB. It's simple math.
Explain how are you going to fit all those textures with the same quality?
And yes, if XBOX Series S can run current-gen games, then Switch 2 should run them with ease. No split RAM pool shenanigans, so even easier.
James Sawyer Ford
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PS5 has access to 512MB total
UC2 is not lacking in texture quality, it has far better textures than BOTW
James Sawyer Ford
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possibly, though the downgrades will be massive
Negotiator
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There are bottlenecks you're not aware of:
Real World Technologies - Forums - Thread: PS3 Local Memory 16MB/s
www.realworldtech.com
And for the love of god, stop comparing open-world games with linear ones.
There's no way BoTW will fit into 256MB + 256MB RAM, let alone 1 PPE core handling so many activities in the map.
It wouldn't even run at 240p 10 fps.
James Sawyer Ford
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Then how is it possible for gta4 and rdr?
Negotiator
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BoTW has a bigger scope. You should compare it to RDR2 and HZD.
I've said it before: most open-world games run like crap on PS3 and there's a reason for that.
Small RAM + only 1 generic core + slow BD-ROM drive.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Higher scope? How? They are massive open world games
LordOcidax
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Don’t waste your time, the guy know nothing about the topic.
Shaki12345
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What you're saying here should be illegal on this site bro. You're either trolling very hard or just don't want to listen to people with knowledge. I don't know which of the 2 is worse.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
And you keep throwing around insults rather than detailing why BOTW has more technical scope than RDR
Nintendo started Switch with a certain low clock and the unlocked higher clocks, so that could happen here too.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not that I disagree but please elaborate.
Shaki12345
Member
People literally just explained it to you. Digital Foundry also says this all the time. Maybe watch their "Impossible Ports" video. Maybe watch their TotK video. You are clueless.
Shaki12345
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This dude is ignoring pages of people telling him how stuff works. I think that says enough.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Nobody explained anything
“Just watch completely unrelated YouTube videos that do nothing to address the issue, bro”
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Shaki12345
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Dude. I give up. You win at trolling.
Fabieter
Member
For some for sure. Most Japanese devs will be happy. Is that the reason that some of you are upset. In the knowing that Nintendo is going to be the most important Japanese console for all Japanese devs going forward.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Why would I give a shit about that at all?
People being able to play vastly inferior versions of Japanese games on antiquated hardware doesn’t concern me at all.
I’ll continue playing where I prefer, having more options for other consumer tastes doesn’t degrade my own experience
Fabieter
Member
Those games won't be vastly inferior. Most of these devs will start focus on switch 2 as their lead platform.