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[Explosive Zombie]

I just hate it when post-apocalyptic fiction is used to emphasize current, purported societal inequity. In the early post zombie apocalypse, people are going to be toiling in the hinterlands and dying in their 30s. No one is going to give a shit about sexual orientation.

I mean, when this whole COVID thing hit, were any of you like "let's go oppress some lesbians?" Hell no. Y'all we're like "I need more toilet paper right fucking now."

Whose oppressing lesbians in the new game? That's not been in the leaks whatsoever.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I can't wait for Nintendo to follow TLOU2 after the incredible reviews for this come out....

Turn Princess Peach trans and give her a golf club to go to work on Mario..... edgy stuff for the kids.

They have to grow up sometime and realize that's how the world is golfclubs, smashed heads and alphabet love triangles.

*cough* Birdo *cough*

 

[MagnesG]

The stuff about Ellie being extra special is actually heard in an audio recording Marlene makes. Joel tells her the Fireflies were no longer seeking a cure, that they'd had plenty of people like Ellie who were immune and there was no hope of extracting a cure from them. Which is total horseshit. There are some comments about their having been people the Fireflies performed tests on but it's not clear they were actually immune or not and even if they were it's still emphasized heavily Ellie is special and the game doesn't present this as a lie. Neil Druckmann wants you to know Joel lied to Ellie and the only thing keeping Ellie from feeling extreme guilt over every new infection/death is her belief that Joel is telling the truth, the final scene is her making Joel swear he wasn't lying, but we know her belief in Joel is shaken.

Ellie could sense it herself when it's been 5 years and there's still no news of a cure, and she could already deduct the reason from that. And if we're talking about being lied here Marlene also didn't tell Ellie about the aftermath of past patients when she was being transported to the hospital, she also didn't treat Joel as she should with whole crew basically being hostile to him from the start, that's not how you treat a guardian of your patient.

All I'm sensing is just the recording being the sole plot armor to their cult like operations and abductions.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Ellie could sense it herself when it's been 5 years and there's still no news of a cure, and she could already deduct the reason from that. And if we're talking about being lied here Marlene also didn't tell Ellie about the aftermath of past patients when she was being transported to the hospital, she also didn't treat Joel as she should with whole crew basically being hostile to him from the start, that's not how you treat a guardian of your patient.

All I'm sensing is just the recording being the sole plot armor to their cult like operations and abductions.

I don't think the game is attempting to paint either side as absolutely right. Easy answers to these things is not what it's interested in.

 

[Bryank75]

*cough* Birdo *cough*

Yeah but I am a Sony fan.... I'm just having a bit of fun with it now. Nothing we can do...

 

[Jon Neu]

And where is Anita now? You can see people are distancing themselves from her because she's crazy. People can agree with what people believe at first, then completely shut them off as soon as they start going too far.

Anita is still collecting money from people by selling whatever she is selling. And she was on the 100 list of the Time magazine, she even went to the UN as the “survivor” of Gamergate.

And there's no indication that Cuckmann has changed his views regarding her and it's politics, quite the contrary.

I mean, just look at the Last Of Us 2.

That's what writers did with Samus Aran. People make changes to characters all the time. Dead or Alive is filled with female characters. Maybe he just likes female characters.

We all like female characters.

But TLOU was the story of Joel and Ellie and Uncharted was the story of Nathan.

Change it for the story of two lesbians and a teenage girl while claiming Anita is a big influence on your works, and it's a bit on the nose- no pun intentended-, don't you think?

 

[Dabaus]

Game will still review well among woke "gaming journalists" but will get crushed by user score.

We see exactly the same thing on Rotten Tomatoes critic vs user scores. Woke Twitterati types will praise something simply for pushing a certain narrative. It's THE most important aspect for these types. But for regular people, it's poison.

Can't wait for sales to be far lower than expected and to read articles why it's the fault of "a toxic fanbase" who "refuse to embrace representation." Don't they know DiVeRsItY Is oUr sTrEnGtH!

IF (Im not so sure yet) sales are negatively effected by this Sony/Naughty Dog will first blame Corona Virus, the leak, then "toxic gamers." They will never admit that their ridiculous story and awful treatment of beloved characters is the problem.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

IF (Im not so sure yet) sales are negatively effected by this Sony/Naughty Dog will first blame Corona Virus, the leak, then "toxic gamers." They will never admit that theyre ridiculous story and awful treatment of beloved characters is the problem.

Though how you phrase this near the end is silly I agree, there's no way to actually know what all factors into how well this does, that's going to be true with pretty much all media released in 2020, the coronavirus in particular has thrown everything off, simply changing a schedule for movie releases/game releases can have huge effects on its prospects.

 

[MagnesG]

I don't think the game is attempting to paint either side as absolutely right. Easy answers to these things is not what it's interested in.

Yes, I just want to point out the absurdness of calling Joel as a complete villain like some people here had been saying where Abby apparently had everything in her rights to enact the whole revenge plot.

And also to emphasize about this whole ridiculousness of changing the direction of the story in Part 2. The original had everything set up nicely and this sudden shift just breaks that thing up.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Can't we just all agree that Uncharted 2 was the last truly great ND game?
At least for me, anything they released after that was just ok or boring.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Yes, I just want to point out the absurdness of calling Joel as a complete villain like some people here had been saying where Abby apparently had everything in her rights to enact the whole revenge plot.

And also to emphasize about this whole ridiculousness of changing the direction of the story in Part 2. The original had everything set up nicely and this sudden shift just breaks that thing up.

I doubt the game is going to be about how Abby's revenge is just and the right thing. Based on the leaks the game is an anti-revenge story about the destructive effects it has on those seeking revenge and the vicious cycle it creates. Not sure what you mean about the first one setting things up for a sequel, most people felt the first didn't need a sequel.

 

[Jon Neu]

IF (Im not so sure yet) sales are negatively effected by this Sony/Naughty Dog will first blame Corona Virus, the leak, then "toxic gamers." They will never admit that their ridiculous story and awful treatment of beloved characters is the problem.

This game is going to sell like hotcakes. It has the legacy of the first one behind it.

The negative reception this game it's going to have, will not affect it’s sales, but maybe it will affect the sales of the third entry.

 

[Eiknarf]

This game is going to sell like hotcakes. It has the legacy of the first one behind it.

The negative reception this game it's going to have, will not affect it’s sales, but maybe it will affect the sales of the third entry.

At this point what Naughty Dog and Sony would be bummed or not about is the Metacritic average. They look at that. (Keep your personal feelings about Metacritic out of this. The studios care.)

If the original received a 95 average from pro critics and a 91 average from users, ND and Sony are going to want to top that.

It sucks to go down, no matter how much $$ they make. It’s about pride now

 

[DForce]

Anita is still collecting money from people by selling whatever she is selling. And she was on the 100 list of the Time magazine, she even went to the UN as the “survivor” of Gamergate.

And there's no indication that Cuckmann has changed his views regarding her and it's politics, quite the contrary.

I mean, just look at the Last Of Us 2.

And she's still begging for work on Twitter. They're distancing themselves now.

But TLOU was the story of Joel and Ellie and Uncharted was the story of Nathan.

Change it for the story of two lesbians and a teenage girl while claiming Anita is a big influence on your works, and it's a bit on the nose- no pun intentended-, don't you think?

TLOU story was about Joel and Ellie

Joel is still part of the story and Ellie carries it with her. Main characters die all the time. But no, people just want to get all political about everything.


Nathan's story is done.

And lets face it, Men are different than women. Having a daughter would be much different than having a son in future titles. A son would be too similar to Nathan drake, a daughter would make the game feel a lot more different.


This just proves my point, really. Doesn't matter what anyone does, if they're even remotely left leaning, you're going to say their decisions are all due to political reasons.

I just don't see how anyone can look at Nathan Drake having a daughter and just get upset.

 

[MagnesG]

Not sure what you mean about the first one setting things up for a sequel, most people felt the first didn't need a sequel

Lol of course I think so too, obviously especially after that DLC happened. But if there's a sequel in works, what do you think people will expect going forward when the ending had such an impact?

Or is this where the whole subversion bullshit took priority?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Lol of course I think so too, obviously especially after that DLC happened. But if there's a sequel in works, what do you think people will expect going forward when the ending had such an impact?

Or is this where the whole subversion bullshit took priority?

The first game was subversive for its genre already so I'd expect more of it from a sequel, tbh.

 

[small_law]

Whose oppressing lesbians in the new game? That's not been in the leaks whatsoever.

I just hate it when post-apocalyptic fiction is used to emphasize current, purported societal inequity. In the early post zombie apocalypse, people are going to be toiling in the hinterlands and dying in their 30s. No one is going to give a shit about sexual orientation.

I mean, when this whole COVID thing hit, were any of you like "let's go oppress some lesbians?" Hell no. Y'all we're like "I need more toilet paper right fucking now."

I'm just saying man that went society go shit house, there's not going to be a religious sect of weirdos hunting down people because of who they kiss. People are going to be spreading horse shit across their turnip farms all day and trying not to die from hoof and mouth disease.

 

[Magik85]

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I'm just saying man that went society go shit house, there's not going to be a religious sect of weirdos hunting down people because of who they kiss. People are going to be spreading horse shit across their turnip farms all day and trying not to die from hoof and mouth disease.

There isn't a homophobic religious cult in the game, the leaks have debunked that idea. What we know about the cult is not those things.

 

[Eiknarf]

That christians shit was proven wrong weeks ago to anyone actually paying attention. The new leaks just covered it's grave with dirt.

Oh cool

So no “Christians are bad” in the story?

 

[small_law]

There isn't a homophobic religious cult in the game, the leaks have debunked that idea. What we know about the cult is not those things.

We'll see what's implied when the game comes out. Not everything has the subtlety of a sledge hammer.

 

[THEAP99]

Wait... It does?

I haven't watched all the leaks. I saw Abby & Joel. I saw Abby & Ellie & Dina. I read loads of people talking about these leaks, I never seen it mentioned once.

Don't give me false hope man. Don't do me like that.

Bro it’s literally a 20+ hour game and there’s a lot we haven’t seen. Just relax I’m sure these things will be addressed and there’s gonna be a lot of flashbacks

 

[THEAP99]

How much of the planned marketing do you guys think these leaks caused to change? Perhaps they’ll show a lot more joel in upcoming trailers and tv spots?

 

[DForce]

How much of the planned marketing do you guys think these leaks caused to change? Perhaps they’ll show a lot more joel in upcoming trailers and tv spots?

They have to change people's perception of the characters.

About 5 years ago, Tekken fans were outraged that a character like Lucky Chloe as in the game. They said it didn't fit in the Tekken universe and she was going to replace Eddy and Christie.



People changed their opinion as soon as they saw more gameplay footage of her.

As it relates to The Last of Us Part II, Sony is going to have to show off gameplay footage of Abby. If she's this real brute, then they have to show it. What she has a gameplay mechanic like Kratos where she pins her enemies against the wall and punch them until their heads flies off. A lot of fans who were upset might just say, "You know what? I'm going to try it."

Not only that, they could also tease part of her story too.

I think we form these opinions in our head and forget about a lot of other aspects of the game. As soon as I saw the fight scene between Abby and the others, I started to like the character a bit more.

Joel's gameplay segments are probably limited, but I think they need to show cutscenes of Joel more than anything else.

Overall, they just need to show gameplay. We haven't seen gameplay fights against clickers. We need to see more of this.

 

[Soulsdark]

People keep memeing about that girl that kills Joel or whoever.
All I am wondering is how she got that buff in the damn apocalypse lol.


I get it they want to have these buff female characters so they can brag about having '' stronk women '', but she's seriously built like a bodybuilder.
How?
Women getting that big especially, that's a lot of steroids most likely and an insane amount of food and constant sleep and rest.
The male equivelant of her would be HUUUUUUUGE.

 

[Azurro]

DForce, your behaviour is a bit weird dude, I'm honestly asking and don't mean anything bad really, but I have to ask: are you part of the marketing team? You are almost fanatic in defending this game and trying to switch the narrative around.

I get it they want to have these buff female characters so they can brag about having '' stronk women '', but she's seriously built like a bodybuilder.
How?
Women getting that big especially, that's a lot of steroids most likely and an insane amount of food and constant sleep and rest.
The male equivelant of her would be HUUUUUUUGE.

She can get them in the same clinic where she did her transition. The human spirit is incredible in the world of TLOU, they kept those clinics and doctors just for people like Abby.

 

[Jon Neu]

And she's still begging for work on Twitter. They're distancing themselves now.

She's threatening devs to hire her or else she would land the SJW on them by claiming their game is sexist.

Joel is still part of the story and Ellie carries it with her. Main characters die all the time. But no, people just want to get all political about everything

That's our point. Neil Druckmann stoped doing videogames for the sake of it and started doing them for the sake of feminism and other SJW ideologies.

He literally tells you as much. He is the one getting all political with his games.

And lets face it, Men are different than women. Having a daughter would be much different than having a son in future titles. A son would be too similar to Nathan drake, a daughter would make the game feel a lot more different

Different than playing with Nadine and the other minority super woman? Different than playing Ellie?

Only a son can carry Nathan's legacy. His daughter just looks like an angsty indie feminist teen, she doesn't remembers you of Nathan Drake at all.

Cuckmann changed the path of Nathan having a mini Nathan -which makes total sense- to put a teen girl, because muh feminism.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

She's threatening devs to hire her or else she would land the SJW on them by claiming their game is sexist.




That's our point. Neil Druckmann stoped doing videogames for the sake of it and started doing them for the sake of feminism and other SJW ideologies.

He literally tells you as much. He is the one getting all political with his games.




Different than playing with Nadine and the other minority super woman? Different than playing Ellie?

Only a son can carry Nathan's legacy. His daughter just looks like an angsty indie feminist teen, she doesn't remembers you of Nathan Drake at all.

Cuckmann changed the path of Nathan having a mini Nathan -which makes total sense- to put a teen girl, because muh feminism.

Man, Nathan Drake had a daughter not a son? FEMINISM STRIKES AGAIN.

 

[Soulsdark]

They have to change people's perception of the characters.

About 5 years ago, Tekken fans were outraged that a character like Lucky Chloe as in the game. They said it didn't fit in the Tekken universe and she was going to replace Eddy and Christie.



People changed their opinion as soon as they saw more gameplay footage of her.

As it relates to The Last of Us Part II, Sony is going to have to show off gameplay footage of Abby. If she's this real brute, then they have to show it. What she has a gameplay mechanic like Kratos where she pins her enemies against the wall and punch them until their heads flies off. A lot of fans who were upset might just say, "You know what? I'm going to try it."

Not only that, they could also tease part of her story too.

I think we form these opinions in our head and forget about a lot of other aspects of the game. As soon as I saw the fight scene between Abby and the others, I started to like the character a bit more.

Joel's gameplay segments are probably limited, but I think they need to show cutscenes of Joel more than anything else.

Overall, they just need to show gameplay. We haven't seen gameplay fights against clickers. We need to see more of this.

People didn't really complain about Lucky Chloe.
A few people did because people quite literally ALWAYS complain, and then the devs made fun of it and joked about it.
They did the same with bikini skins, Harada memes a lot and makes fun of western game journalists. But ultimately it's just a handful of people complaining about it.
Tekken had way sillier characters than Lucky Chloe since day 1.

I mean have you seen League of Legends and how much some people complain about quite literally everything?
You will always have a loud minority complaining.
If you listened to social medias and reddit then you'd get the impression that the playerbase for League are a bunch of prudes who hate hourglass female characters who show skin.
But that's just because the people most likely to spend time talking about it are people who have a problem with it.
Like how many people actually genuinely care or got triggered by Kai'sa having a V-neck? And out of those people, how many either actually play League or would've played the character to begin with either way? Probably nowhere even anywhere near 1% of the playerbase. But you'd get the impression otherwise if you read about her online.

Then you get Youtubers and media outlets picking up on it and call it a '' controversy '' etc because that's how they get clicks.
This always happens, the small minority complaining have their voice inflated because it benefits Youtubers and gaming media outlets, and they also have a tendency to just be far more vocal.

It reminds me a bit of Eliza in Tekken too.
You'd be under the impression that people were mad and didn't like her too because there were people ranting about her like they did with Lucky Chloe too. But she was voted for by the audience, the audience wanted her in the game.
But then a bunch of crybabies who didn't get what they wanted started crying about it like they've done with EVERY character that was added to the game because it wasn't their main.
Everyone else is busy having fun while they're crying and that's all you end up hearing.

That's how it's going to be with Abby in TLOU2 as well.
People meme and make fun about it and you've got this anti-SJW crowd who are going on about how she's going to cause the game to '' get woke go broke '' and dumb crap like that.
But the truth is that it's a very tiny group of people who actually care about this.

 

[AveragePhoenix]

Judging based on the comment section, people are still holding firm to their belief that it's pushing politics.

However, there's about 3k likes vs 1.k dislikes. I can see this being captain marvel all over again, "The movie only did good because it's part of the MCU." That may be true, but millions of people still wanted to see the movie.

I'm not saying the game is not pushing politics, I'm also not saying the game IS pushing politics, gotta wait till the release for that.

 

[Soulsdark]

I'm not saying the game is not pushing politics, I'm also not saying the game IS pushing politics, gotta wait till the release for that.

Neil Druckmann said in one of his talks about game development that he was pushing an agenda I think.
The same one where he talked about Sarkeesian and about the '' evils of attractive women in games ''.

I mean whether you agree with his agenda or not is one thing, I don't really care.
But Naughty Dogs are pretty clear and open about how they are pushing agendas.

 

[ruvikx]

Man, Nathan Drake had a daughter not a son? FEMINISM STRIKES AGAIN.

The fact Drake had a daughter wasn't the problem (we're not freaking idiots), it was the fact Naughty Dog forcibly retired him after scolding his behavior the Uncharted 4 (Elena literally guilts the player controlling drake for enjoying action/adventure) & made him have a super-duper intelligent/curious/edgy attitude daughter in his "legal" retired life, i.e. a daughter who was the "heir" in a better, none "toxic masculinity" manner.

That final level in Uncharted 4 where we play as his daughter is vomit worthy because of the absolute heavy handed agenda driven characterization shoved down our throats. I get one of the defense mechanisms of the SJW is to say "ur crazy! there's no SJW agenda here!", but really, we weren't born yesterday. If Drake had a son who'd blown some pirates up on a beach, the usual suspects (aka degenerate journalists) would have spoken of "problematic toxicity". The same applies to these Last of Us 2 leaks. They reek of all the pet project preferences of the SJW's. Fat butch women who look like men, homosexuals/lesbians & infantile "feelings" driving the story to the point of parody considering the sheer level of gratuitous violence on display.

Characters who look like they take steroids & work out are not believable in that setting. I mentioned this point earlier: nations at war with starving, impoverished populations do not become Rambo. "oh but Abby is a fighter who is tough because she fights!". How about the diet? The sanitation? The impact of the weather conditions & various illnesses ranging from severe to mild colds? Just look at Europe in 1945 after 6 years of severe combat: people didn't become "tough", they physically regressed.

So Druckmann & co can take their man-woman muscle fantasies & shove them where they belong, i.e. precisely in the "fantasy" section of storytelling.

 

[DForce]

People didn't really complain about Lucky Chloe.
A few people did because people quite literally ALWAYS complain, and then the devs made fun of it and joked about it.
They did the same with bikini skins, Harada memes a lot and makes fun of western game journalists. But ultimately it's just a handful of people complaining about it.
Tekken had way sillier characters than Lucky Chloe since day 1.

Yeah, just a small group. I know many people covered this and didn't like the idea. It goes to show you that the crowd might seem big, but it's only a small amount of people doing this.

 

[Eiknarf]

So the leak came from an employee who hated the political bias in the game’s story?

The Last of Us 2 gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness

Plenty of spoiler ridden footage was leaked online by alleged disgruntled Naughty Dog employee.The Last of Us 2 leaked gameplay footage was supposedly

www.sausageroll.com.au

 

[DForce]

I'm not saying the game is not pushing politics, I'm also not saying the game IS pushing politics, gotta wait till the release for that.

I wasn't trying to say you were, it's just find it funny that people are so focused on politics and they're finding any reason to complain about something.

 

[Clear]

The issue isn't whether a game is pushing a certain political agenda, its about how we as supposed fans of the medium respond to it.

If we reject stuff out of hand because we disagree with a certain creatives politics, how is that any different from how the twitterati and resetera mob brigaded Daniel Vavra and the like because they disagreed.

Its the point I was making with the <ignorelist> clown, calling Druckman "cuckman" is no different from calling Vavra or Tim Soret alt-righters. You are how you act towards others, the reasons/morals/politics of why you are that way don't enter into it. There is no "trade up" going from being oppressed by a left-wing dictator over a right-wing one. Or vice-versa, cos either way you are still living under the oppressor's boot.

 

[Cato]

So the leak came from an employee who hated the political bias in the game’s story?

The Last of Us 2 gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness

Plenty of spoiler ridden footage was leaked online by alleged disgruntled Naughty Dog employee.The Last of Us 2 leaked gameplay footage was supposedly

www.sausageroll.com.au

I wouldn't put too much weight on what sausageroll writes. They write for clicks and entertainment and hyperbole, not exactly
for journalism. A lot of it is just opinion or reads as if it is straight off made up, but it is sometimes entertaining, in the sense Alex Jones is also entertaining.

I would read them for the hyperbole, gossip and treat it as entertainment. Nothing more.

 

[Jon Neu]

Man, Nathan Drake had a daughter not a son? FEMINISM STRIKES AGAIN.

NEIL CUCKMANN ABORTED NATHAN’S SON BECAUSE HE WAS A MALE, LITERALLY EUGENICS.

 

[MagnesG]

People didn't really complain about Lucky Chloe.
A few people did because people quite literally ALWAYS complain, and then the devs made fun of it and joked about it.
They did the same with bikini skins, Harada memes a lot and makes fun of western game journalists. But ultimately it's just a handful of people complaining about it.
Tekken had way sillier characters than Lucky Chloe since day 1.

I mean have you seen League of Legends and how much some people complain about quite literally everything?
You will always have a loud minority complaining.
If you listened to social medias and reddit then you'd get the impression that the playerbase for League are a bunch of prudes who hate hourglass female characters who show skin.
But that's just because the people most likely to spend time talking about it are people who have a problem with it.
Like how many people actually genuinely care or got triggered by Kai'sa having a V-neck? And out of those people, how many either actually play League or would've played the character to begin with either way? Probably nowhere even anywhere near 1% of the playerbase. But you'd get the impression otherwise if you read about her online.

Then you get Youtubers and media outlets picking up on it and call it a '' controversy '' etc because that's how they get clicks.
This always happens, the small minority complaining have their voice inflated because it benefits Youtubers and gaming media outlets, and they also have a tendency to just be far more vocal.

It reminds me a bit of Eliza in Tekken too.
You'd be under the impression that people were mad and didn't like her too because there were people ranting about her like they did with Lucky Chloe too. But she was voted for by the audience, the audience wanted her in the game.
But then a bunch of crybabies who didn't get what they wanted started crying about it like they've done with EVERY character that was added to the game because it wasn't their main.
Everyone else is busy having fun while they're crying and that's all you end up hearing.

That's how it's going to be with Abby in TLOU2 as well.
People meme and make fun about it and you've got this anti-SJW crowd who are going on about how she's going to cause the game to '' get woke go broke '' and dumb crap like that.
But the truth is that it's a very tiny group of people who actually care about this.

Lol we'll see whether comparing a half a game protagonist with a playable character among ton others is a good measurement or not.

 

[M1chl]

It's from an old 4chan rumor. Those are turning out to be fake.

Seems like it would be better story.

 

[Jon Neu]

The issue isn't whether a game is pushing a certain political agenda, its about how we as supposed fans of the medium respond to it.

If we reject stuff out of hand because we disagree with a certain creatives politics, how is that any different from how the twitterati and resetera mob brigaded Daniel Vavra and the like because they disagreed.

Its the point I was making with the <ignorelist> clown, calling Druckman "cuckman" is no different from calling Vavra or Tim Soret alt-righters. You are how you act towards others, the reasons/morals/politics of why you are that way don't enter into it. There is no "trade up" going from being oppressed by a left-wing dictator over a right-wing one. Or vice-versa, cos either way you are still living under the oppressor's boot.

I don't reject the game because of it's obvious SJW fantasies at play, I don't reject the game at all. It’s coming on my birthday and I'm going to enjoy it to the fullest. I alreay love the postapocalyptic setting and the atmospheric tone.

I just found it funny how you can't point out and laugh against the obvious political choices of a dev -that literally tells you he makes his choices based on politics- because then “you are as bad as the SJW and you are making stuff up”.

I mean, don't bullshit people. If you want to make a game about a pair of lesbians with ridiculously strong women in it and similar shit, it's fine, it's your game. But don't tell me that politics have nothing to do about it and that the game isn't pandering to feminists and the likes.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The issue isn't whether a game is pushing a certain political agenda, its about how we as supposed fans of the medium respond to it.

If we reject stuff out of hand because we disagree with a certain creatives politics, how is that any different from how the twitterati and resetera mob brigaded Daniel Vavra and the like because they disagreed.

Its the point I was making with the <ignorelist> clown, calling Druckman "cuckman" is no different from calling Vavra or Tim Soret alt-righters. You are how you act towards others, the reasons/morals/politics of why you are that way don't enter into it. There is no "trade up" going from being oppressed by a left-wing dictator over a right-wing one. Or vice-versa, cos either way you are still living under the oppressor's boot.

There's a bunch of criticism about the story, but I don't think the Abby/twist is really the core issue. The core issue seems to be Joel dead. And that lead to the Abby narrative.

If Joel and Ellie live to fight on in Part 3, probably half the criticism would disappear even if you play Abby in the second half.

However, this game does seem to have a heavy female narrative in this sequel. And since gaming is still skewed to guys, and the game is full of gritty kills, I think many people are expecting more Joel-esque kick ass progression, than the game being taken over by Ellie Dina and Abby.

A good example of a plot twist that gamers (most) seemed shocked, but eventually accepted as cool (in a way)..... MW2 Russian level where you mow down innocents. Not the type of thing you see even in macho man FPS. But they did it like it's an important goal to beat the level.

So it shows plot twists can be done in gaming, but you got to make sure gamers don't get pissed at the overall game and story. That Russian airport massacre was I think just for that one level and that's it..... (I think. Don't remember much about MW2 campaign as that was 10 years ago).

 

[ruvikx]

NEIL CUCKMANN ABORTED NATHAN’S SON BECAUSE HE WAS A MALE, LITERALLY EUGENICS.

Imagine a theoretical Last of Us 2 story where Ellie is rescued at some point from clickers by a good looking Jon Snow-esque white guy & begins to question her sexual orientation when she finds herself attracted to him? All the people defending the real leaks as "plausible" would denounce that theoretical version as offensive,, toxic, bigoted, hateful & every other ism + phobe they could imagine.

It's all bullshit. Truth of the matter is taking Ellie & Joel from The Last of Us main game (not the DLC, but main game) & creating "this" sequel is some pretty sick shit in a very weird way (brutal deaths, beatings etc.). Oh & maybe it's just me, but the fact a grown adult man (Druckmann) sits at home writing female lesbian teenage stories is actually "not normal". At least where I come from.

 

[DForce]

She's threatening devs to hire her or else she would land the SJW on them by claiming their game is sexist.




That's our point. Neil Druckmann stoped doing videogames for the sake of it and started doing them for the sake of feminism and other SJW ideologies.

He literally tells you as much. He is the one getting all political with his games.




Different than playing with Nadine and the other minority super woman? Different than playing Ellie?

Only a son can carry Nathan's legacy. His daughter just looks like an angsty indie feminist teen, she doesn't remembers you of Nathan Drake at all.

Cuckmann changed the path of Nathan having a mini Nathan -which makes total sense- to put a teen girl, because muh feminism.

Nathan's Legacy is mostly based on a lie.

We’ve known for some time that Nathan Drake has been lying straight to our faces about his real last name. No, he’s not a descendant of Sir Francis Drake, Marlowe in Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception had it all figured out. Nathan was just a boy straight out of an orphanage that switched it up and made up the whole Drake ancestry

Nathan Drake's Real Last Name Is Finally Revealed in Uncharted 4

He's, unfortunately, not like Cher or Madonna.

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People can have characters that a designed to "pander" to a specific group. I keep using TWD because it doesn't take away from the narrative of the story. What you would do is complain about every new character that shows up.

You're doing nothing different than what hundreds of people are doing online. You guys are so invested in politics that you will put everything under a microscope.

People consider UC:LL better than UC4, and UC:LL was considered more "woke" than UC4.

What matters is if the story is the game good or not. People complaining haven't played the game yet.

Just wait until the reviews comes out to see if people like it. You know, the crowd of people who aren't too invested into politics as much as people complaining across social media.

 

[DForce]

Seems like it would be better story.

People would cry more if Dina was killed because she was gay and they were going after a christian cult.

 

[Soulsdark]

Btw have someone uploded the ending cinematics or anything like that?
I've only seen the part with the horses in the forest and the short golf club clip.

I don't care about this game at all I am just curious about the ending.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

 

[Jon Neu]

Nathan's Legacy is mostly based on a lie.

I know, I have played Uncharted 4. And I found that lie really good, I like that part about Nathan and Sam, it really fits them.

But Nathan's legacy is being a treasure hunter with ridiculous athletic and military capabilities. He is an adventurer, and to be an adventurer you need to be athletic, have little to lose and be a little bit crazy.

Do you think his feminist daughter looks like an adventurer? I can picture her doing her major in Women studies at some Californian university and then going to a manifestation against Trump or something, but I don't see her doing extreme climbing, beating up paramilitars and using all kind of weapons as an expert while doing some banter with her pals.

I would see a mini Nathan son doing that.

People consider UC:LL better than UC4, and UC:LL was considered more "woke" than UC4

What people?

Certainly not me. And if you go to Metacritic, the critics give UC4 a 93 while UC:LL has an 84. And the users score is 84 vs 79.

 

[Soulsdark]

There's someone here in this reddit page named '' Hairsky '' who have uploaded a ton of gameplay clips if someone is interested.



Just sort by '' new ''. Was posted very recently about 30 min ago.

Holy fuck there's so much scripted crap lol, it's barely a game xD...

Edit: Lol, some of the violence is so unnecessary and indulgent.
I honestly think that Neil has a kink for this stuff, it's pretty crazy.
And it's not even over the top in a funny way like Mortal Kombat.


I get that violence is a part of the game but it really does come across as indulging a bit much in it imo just to edgy and shocking.

 

[DForce]

I know, I have played Uncharted 4. And I found that lie really good, I like that part about Nathan and Sam, it really fits them.

But Nathan's legacy is being a treasure hunter with ridiculous athletic and military capabilities. He is an adventurer, and to be an adventurer you need to be athletic, have little to lose and be a little bit crazy.

Do you think his feminist daughter looks like an adventurer? I can picture her doing her major in Women studies at some Californian university and then going to a manifestation against Trump or something, but I don't see her doing extreme climbing, beating up paramilitars and using all kind of weapons as an expert while doing some banter with her pals.

I would see a mini Nathan son doing that.

It means you don't need to have a son to carry on the Legacy. She can carry on the last name Drake.

What people?

Certainly not me. And if you go to Metacritic, the critics give UC4 a 93 while UC:LL has an 84. And the users score is 84 vs 79.

User scores are not a good indicator. Place is filled with trolls. There are many people on here who prefer UC:LL over UC:4.