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[sneas78]

So, is there still a way to watch all the leaked cutscenes/gameplay, or have they been taken down?

The internet always wins

 

[Jbomb19]

Some of the best moments in the Last of Us cannot be described in plot summary.

Ellie's interaction with Bill
Joel riding in the car with Bill
Ellie help Joel out of the hospital
Herny leaving Joel behind and Ellie going back to stay with Joel.
Joel's argument with his brother
Tess' death

And many more.

These are scenes that make you fall in love with these characters. In a 25+ hour game, you're bound to get at least 3 hours worth of cut-scenes and we only saw less than 20 minutes altogether?

I just can't wait for the reviews to drop.

I appreciate your thoughtful replies, but I think it's like talking to a brick wall at this point. Certain people have made up their mind that this entire game is a SJW agenda pushing conspiracy to make anyone who plays it an automatic gay frog and they've bought into this knee jerk mob mentality. Nothing will change that. If they're convinced the game will be terrible after barely 20 minutes of edited/out of context cut scenes and a bullet point list of story beats, then let them miss the game. Although I'd put money that if live-streams, gamers and reviews talk about how great the game is, they'll buy it. Full price, lol.

I pre-ordered it. I'm excited to play it! I'm excited to watch my husband play it! If it's garbage, well, there will always be another game. Pretty pumped for AC: Valhalla! My viking beard will be glorious.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

 

[Heylon]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

Calling it “too obvious” is an understatement lol.

 

[DanielsM]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

Is there a yes+ option? Cringe comes to mind, imo. I'm going to be surprised if many think this was a good story line and tone, just looking off the leaks.

 

[Strategize]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

I can't really get into it, but no. There's certainly progressive aspects that's enough for sensitive little bitches to be set off by, judging by the response.

But there are also scenes where it's clear the game doesn't give a fuck who it pisses off. "SJWs" don't tell react well to certain level of violence. It's story comes first.

 

[DForce]

Well, there’s a little difference.

First, Negan has charisma, Abby looks like a bunch of meat, a knucklehead. We have seen the scene in which she was happy to kill a pregnant teen, but when her asian trans boyfriend called her, she changed her mind in one second (amazing script).

I don't know if seeing Abby caring about her friends is going to be enough to be a likeable character.

I even doubt Nostrilina is even going to be a likeable character. And the asian dude who is going to be cuckolded and then murdered it's going to receive pity, for sure. But again, is he going to be a likeable character?

Some real doubts about it.

You're always looking at everything in a negative light, and you try hard to justify your reasoning.

 

[Whitesnake]

Truthfully though, how can you feel comfortable shit-canning an entire 30hr narrative on the basis of a couple of leaked scenes?

The same way people can get excited over short trailers and CG teasers.

You don’t need to play the full 30hrs before having an opinion, that’s ridiculous.

 

[DForce]

Reviews no longer mean shit. They will all be positive because if a critic gives a bad review it's bascailly career suicide in 2020. Any "progressive" movies/game/comic/etc. must be given praise otherwise you are labeled an "ist" and an "ism". Nevermind if the story and characters are actually written well or not.

If this game bombs and receives a 76 on MC, you guys would be all over it.

There are "woke" movies out there that received crap scores and it would be no different if people truly thing the Last of Us is a terrible game.


A lot of these YouTubers who are saying they're going to try the game are probably going to change their opinion, too. Think everyone bashing the game right now is going to hate it still after the game gets released? I highly doubt it if it receives mostly great reviews.

If it bombs critically, I won't have a problem admitting ND screwed up. You guys can't admit ND did a good job if the well majority of people are calling this a good game.

 

[DForce]

I appreciate your thoughtful replies, but I think it's like talking to a brick wall at this point. Certain people have made up their mind that this entire game is a SJW agenda pushing conspiracy to make anyone who plays it an automatic gay frog and they've bought into this knee jerk mob mentality. Nothing will change that. If they're convinced the game will be terrible after barely 20 minutes of edited/out of context cut scenes and a bullet point list of story beats, then let them miss the game. Although I'd put money that if live-streams, gamers and reviews talk about how great the game is, they'll buy it. Full price, lol.

I pre-ordered it. I'm excited to play it! I'm excited to watch my husband play it! If it's garbage, well, there will always be another game. Pretty pumped for AC: Valhalla! My viking beard will be glorious.

I think we all reached a point where we all had our say. Things could change soon if more leaks start to come out.

People are going to wait for reviews and see how well this game sales.

 

[PanzerAzel]

Look, I’m all for equality and shit, but who honestly asked to play as a vindictive, vengeful hormone rampaging Uruk Hai with moobs swinging a golf club?

 

[Jon Neu]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

The usual apologists are going to tell you that there isn't nothing SJW about the game, but they will tell you that literally about every game or any media ever. They just can't stand criticism of their “progressive” ideas, so they retort to call anybody who points out the obvious SJW tropes and fantasies as a crazy alt righter.

But yes, the protagonists of the game are a couple of lesbians and a super mega strong woman that I bet could beat 2 Nadines at once, and Nadine was capable of beat 2 Drake brothers at once, who at the same time were capable of defeating a small army by themselves. So It’s Maam it’s basically she hulk reincarnated.

ND has a weird obsession with “strong” women.

And I’m sure the game is filled with more on the nose -no pun intented- tropes, dialogues and SJW fantasies, but I’ m also sure it’s going to be a great game despite being influenced by Anita Sarkeesian.

Personally it’s not a dealbreaker for me, I’m just going to laugh at the cringyness and hypocrisy of the agenda driven aspects of the game and enjoy the gameplay and the cinematic moments.

But I can understand that for some people, being politically pandered can be a dealbreaker.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Look, I’m all for equality and shit, but who honestly asked to play as a vindictive, vengeful hormone rampaging Uruk Hai with moobs swinging a golf club?

Probably Anita S, and Neil Druckmann complied. From Druckmann's wiki page.

Druckmann is a regular advocate of gender equality in video games, citing Anita Sarkeesian as an influence;[64] he presented the Ambassador Award to Sarkeesian at the 2014 Game Developers Choice Awards,[65] and regularly advocated her projects.[66] Throughout the development of Uncharted 4, Druckmann was influenced by concept artist Ashley Swidowski to include more female characters in the game. "She is constantly challenging me and pushing for diversity in our cast", he said.[58] Upon focus testers' criticism regarding the inclusion and portrayal of female characters in Uncharted 4, one of whom was forced to leave due to an outburst, Druckmann expressed "Wow, why does that matter?".[64]

 

[Jon Neu]

Look, I’m all for equality and shit, but who honestly asked to play as a vindictive, vengeful hormone rampaging Uruk Hai with moobs swinging a golf club?

Ugly women who dress like slobs are like the sexy female in scantily clothes version of the SJW.

It’s their fanservice.

 

[chitzy]

This clusterfuck doesn't affect my desire to play The Last of Us 2, because that was already zero. It does however make me less likely to buy a PS5 at launch if this bullshit is the sort of "MUST HAVE SONY EXCLUSIVE" that I've been hearing so much about.

Naughty Dog has been afforded far too much autonomy. Get your bitch back on its leash Sony.

 

[Cato]

I can't really get into it, but no. There's certainly progressive aspects that's enough for sensitive little bitches to be set off by, judging by the response.

But there are also scenes where it's clear the game doesn't give a fuck who it pisses off. "SJWs" don't tell react well to certain level of violence. It's story comes first.

I think there are things for just about everyone to get angry at in what is leaked. But then again we have to consider that the leaker did it to hurt and damage nd/tlou2 so all the scenes are likely leaked to lack the context and hand-picked to cause maximum damage.

I don't think Niel is stupid so I am super excited to play it to see how he makes these leaked scenes make sense.
It is going to be a wild ride, that is for sure. I hope the story is good and engaging.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This clusterfuck doesn't affect my desire to play The Last of Us 2, because that was already zero. It does however make me less likely to buy a PS5 at launch if this bullshit is the sort of "MUST HAVE SONY EXCLUSIVE" that I've been hearing so much about.

Naughty Dog has been afforded far too much autonomy. Get your bitch back on its leash Sony.

This game will be great for watching on YT.

I haven't played God of War since #2 on PS2, so all I could do lately is watch the awesome boss fights since then (GoW 3 had the best fights). LoU2 will be similar except it'll be teenage Rambo-ers Ellie and Abby cracking skulls taking down every zombie and mob of marauders with ease. And Joel too.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think there are things for just about everyone to get angry at in what is leaked. But then again we have to consider that the leaker did it to hurt and damage nd/tlou2 so all the scenes are likely leaked to lack the context and hand-picked to cause maximum damage.

I don't think Niel is stupid so I am super excited to play it to see how he makes these leaked scenes make sense.
It is going to be a wild ride, that is for sure. I hope the story is good and engaging.

No doubt. It was basically a handful of boring walking scenes, a bunch of Ellie and Abby dialogue scenes and Joel getting his ass beat.

What the leaker could have done is show more gameplay footage, thug kills, crafting, zombie chases, and anything not really plot spoiling or political.

He (or she?) chose well.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I can't really get into it, but no. There's certainly progressive aspects that's enough for sensitive little bitches to be set off by, judging by the response.

But there are also scenes where it's clear the game doesn't give a fuck who it pisses off. "SJWs" don't tell react well to certain level of violence. It's story comes first.

Thanks. It's a struggle to find the middle ground sometimes. I've been leaning towards the negative ever since Neil mentioned the 'hidden agenda' BUT, because of the integrity he showed in the original game concerning 'these' issues, I've held off getting emotionally connected with anything related to the SJW agenda (just to clarify, I hate it). There are extremists on both sides, although it's clear, from measures companies are taking and other mediums are showing, that I'm more inclined to believe those of the ante SJW side than those who are pro SJW. That doesn't mean I can't go into this game with an objective viewpoint though, and that's what I intend to do. If it starts getting obvious, I'll let this forum know that's how I feel ... Likewise, if it's NOT obvious and people are overreacting.

 

[Grinchy]

Is there a summary of the actual storyline somewhere? The early pages of the thread are still unsure, the later pages are all arguments and the middle has details that go back and forth on whether they were correct or not. The memes on reddit are fun but even there it's hard to find an actual summary.

 

[autoduelist]

I still play TLOU mp on a regular basis. I loved Naughty Dog.

This is a travesty.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Is there a summary of the actual storyline somewhere? The early pages of the thread are still unsure, the later pages are all arguments and the middle has details that go back and forth on whether they were correct or not. The memes on reddit are fun but even there it's hard to find an actual summary.

I don't think there is one. I think the main leaks are the following which have some conflicting info, and the video leaks are everyone's interpretation how they fit the puzzle.

1. That 4chan/reddit leak which was two pages long of info. THis has all kinds of info but some info that seems to conflict like Dina dying before Joel

2. All the leaked videos

3. The key video of Joel getting golf clubbed shows he's still alive (barely), but another video has Dina saying he's dead. So the assumption is she is being literal about it and he is dead

4. Someone did another quick recap I think yesterday giving more story saying Ellie ditches family life with Dina and ventures off to avenge Joel (which leads to part 3)

5. That snapshot of a focus group agenda saying Ellie day 1 -3, Abby day 1-3, epilogue etc..... which reinforces Abby being a big part of the game (like Raiden in MGS2)

 

[autoduelist]

Since the ending to the original game is cropping up again, I'll say again what I've said before.

Joel was right.

Yes, there are nuances. Yes, you can look at the wider picture & the consequences of his actions & debate it all until the cows come home. But the fact is Joel was right.

The entire story builds to the point of Joel doing what he does. The entire game prepared you for what happened & explained why Joel would do what he did. It gives you all the information you need. Joel was a good man. A loving, single father raising his daughter. They have a very good relationship. She is taken away from him forever in brutal, confusing circumstances by someone who thinks they are doing what is right. Joel becomes a bad man, haunted by his pain, driven to never allow the horrors of the world to beat him again. Then he meets Ellie. From that moment, his hard outer shell begins to crumble & his innate goodness begins to reappear. They go on a journey together. Physically, mentally, emotionally... Every way possible. Ellie is shown to be suffering from survivor's guilt. She struggles with the feeling that she must do something to make up for all of the pain, suffering & death that has surrounded her & she has lived through as a child. While this is happening, the game takes the time to slowly reveal how desperate & essentially hopeless Marlene & the Fireflies have become. It all builds perfectly, beautifully to that ending where Ellie is unconscious & has no say in the matter, leaving the responsible adults in her life to make the choices.

The cure is in no way guaranteed. It is a hope. A maybe. A possibility. That is a fact, there are no two ways about it. There is no guarantee that killing Ellie & cutting up her brain will save anybody. Marlene knows that. Joel knows it. The doctors & surgeons know it. Everybody knows it.

So the only question asked is what will a parent (Joel) do? Faced with the prospect of being forced to let another child die & hoping that it might mean something, that it could possibly lead to some good, maybe... This time. What will this guy, uniquely prepared through his history to make the choice in that hard moment, do?

What the fuck do you think he'll do. You can try & remove yourself from the hard reality that you're killing a child because maybe that'll lead to some good. You can try & justify it if you want. Joel knows. He's been there. He sees clean through you & has a simple answer, forged in the fires of a hard life spent fighting against that very thing having already happened. The senseless death of an innocent child who could do nothing to defend herself. He'll say, "Yeah. You keep telling yourself that bullshit" & then he'll do what needs to be done.

God damn... The Last of Us was so good.

Joel was absolutely right.


And then the authoritarians who believe in 'the greater good' and kneel to the state/elites got in control and shit out this monstrosity, killing off Joel and replacing him as their ideology always dictates must be done.

They don't care what franchise they burn down.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Does anyone know whether or not the estimated playtime of 30 hours includes the cutscenes?

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Can't say im disappointed. Expected them to ruin it with their sjw bs.

No mp for this garbage plot? Druckman should be canned and bring Amy and all the others who left, back.

Amy didnt write the first one. Amy keeps getting fired so...

 

[Stuart360]

So is it confirmed that you actually play half the game as that mandroid?. Why would ND think gamers would actually want to do that?, especially after she kills the fan favorite and main character of the first game Joel.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

As a side note, if you thought ND's tweet about the leak was bad, it looks like their entire account will be blasted for a while.

Even their more recent tweet about Nathan Drake Collection (which came a day after) is getting bombarded with 99% LoU2 comments.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So is it confirmed that you actually play half the game as that mandroid?. Why would ND think gamers would actually want to do that?, especially after she kills the fan favorite and main character of the first game Joel.

The only thing we have to go with that fits that is the leaked image of a focus group agenda playlist Ellie as half the game and Abby as half the game. And that assumes the acts you play as both are of the same length.

 

[JimmyJones]

Anyone else hyped for it still? GOTY 2022!

 

[Strategize]

Honestly, it's crazy going on youtube and seeing the amount of misinformation. Aspects that haven't even been confirmed yet being treated like fact, to twist the narrative even further. Fake articles about Naughty Dog being thrown around as information.

Gonna be a long month and a half.

 

[KiNeMz]

So we have Testosterone drugs in the apocalypse?

 

[STI]

So we have Testosterone drugs in the apocalypse?

horse piss

 

[Falcs]

So is it confirmed that you actually play half the game as that mandroid?. Why would ND think gamers would actually want to do that?, especially after she kills the fan favorite and main character of the first game Joel.

Because she's a wahmen! An ugly, butch, musculine looking wahmen... you know, the only kind that should exist in any videogame because sexism.

 

[Jill Valentine]

So is it confirmed that you actually play half the game as that mandroid?. Why would ND think gamers would actually want to do that?, especially after she kills the fan favorite and main character of the first game Joel.

There are the names of all the chapters and cutscenes of the precise moment you transition from Ellie to Strong Woman as the player character to support the claim. It's beyond any doubt.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

All I know is that I'm really damned interested in how Hellblade 2 pans out.

 

[Swadedtx]

People still really think this game is about some SJW boogeyman, when there's literally a scene of a women brutally manhandling two LGBT characters in disgusting detail.

Christ give me strength, I just wanna see the reviews at this point, so I can read about the game without all the BS surrounding it.

A T is beating the shit out of 2 Ls

 

[Jill Valentine]

A T is beating the shit out of 2 Ls

You forgot Ts T partner who puts the arrow in pregnant independent mother L.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Anyone else hyped for it still? GOTY 2022!

F

I'm not making false claims. I pre ordered today.

Yeah Abbie looks like she fired a couple of arrows into Sean Bean, and yeah there is some progressive bullshit. But in an apocalypse where society has crumbled I think a man taking it in the ass or a woman getting finger blasted by another woman isn't exactly a shocking thing.

 

[Saber]

Joel was absolutely right.


And then the authoritarians who believe in 'the greater good' and kneel to the state/elites got in control and shit out this monstrosity, killing off Joel and replacing him as their ideology always dictates must be done.

They don't care what franchise they burn down.

I'm actually most astonished with the fact of people painting Joel as either a villain or a bad guy...in a world of madness and zombie apocalipse where everyone rips others apart and if you don't watch your back you get backstabed.

But hey Joel is dead, "gOoD rIdAnCe".

 

[Grinchy]

I don't think there is one. I think the main leaks are the following which have some conflicting info, and the video leaks are everyone's interpretation how they fit the puzzle.

1. That 4chan/reddit leak which was two pages long of info. THis has all kinds of info but some info that seems to conflict like Dina dying before Joel

2. All the leaked videos

3. The key video of Joel getting golf clubbed shows he's still alive (barely), but another video has Dina saying he's dead. So the assumption is she is being literal about it and he is dead

4. Someone did another quick recap I think yesterday giving more story saying Ellie ditches family life with Dina and ventures off to avenge Joel (which leads to part 3)

5. That snapshot of a focus group agenda saying Ellie day 1 -3, Abby day 1-3, epilogue etc..... which reinforces Abby being a big part of the game (like Raiden in MGS2)

Ok, because I kept reading one thing, then reading the opposite, then reading that such and such wasn't confirmed, ect. So you've helped me realize that we really don't know as much as we think and lots of it is memes.

I'm not sure wtf to think about it at this point.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

it is safe. You get a game with a dark plot, and you still interact with the world through killing, same gameplay as 2.

A genuine risk would be if they made it a society re-builder, or a post apocalyptic animal crossing kind of thing.

Um no... changing your game's genre is not the only way to be risky. We have proof what they did was risky just from the reactions in this thread, honestly.

 

[Strategize]

Ok, because I kept reading one thing, then reading the opposite, then reading that such and such wasn't confirmed, ect. So you've helped me realize that we really don't know as much as we think and lots of it is memes.

I'm not sure wtf to think about it at this point.

Yeah, it's to the point where half the people that got spoiled, will be like "wait that didn't happen in the leaks" all the way through the game. People have used the actual leaked cut-scenes (which most people only watched 1 or 2 of) to create many fake plot synopsis' with element's of truth to them.

There's still people that think Ellie dies in that scene because of all the misinformation. And they think it's the ending.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ok, because I kept reading one thing, then reading the opposite, then reading that such and such wasn't confirmed, ect. So you've helped me realize that we really don't know as much as we think and lots of it is memes.

I'm not sure wtf to think about it at this point.

Here's my guess assuming all these leaks are true, with priority accuracy being videos vs. reddit posts.

Clarification
- That half Ellie/half Abby focus group agenda is true
- Abby is the daughter of the doctor going for revenge

First half of game
- Ellie meets Dina
- Dina breaks up with Chinese BF, but turns out is pregnant by him
- Ellie and Dina hook up
- Ellie, Dina and Joel venture off as a trio
- Thy get ambushed by Abby's team. Joel get's smacked*****, but Ellie and Dina somehow escape and Abby looks for them
- Screen fades to black

Second half of game
- Background story on Abby, including family, doctor dad etc...
- Joel is back, but as flashback how he killed the doctor, leaving Abby in ruins. Includes the young scene of Abby growing up and with Lev looking for them
- Abby levels showing how she got to power and figuring out a revenge plot and finding them
- As Abby, you find them which leads to ambush point I mentioned above. This is another possible point Joel gets smacked******, then you get around to Ellie and Dina who escape and you have to find them. Ellie is pinned down, but maybe Dina comes from behind and forces them to let her go and they are on the run
- Final showdown as Abby finds them
- Ellie and Dina live on as Lev says let them live. They have a falling out later in life where Ellie wants to ditch her and avenge Joel. Abby and her team are long gone
- Fades to black as this is the plot for Part 3. Ellie for sure looking for Abby. Who knows how much screen time Dina gets

Unknowns
- Rumours had Christian bigots roaming around. Based off the cut scenes, can't form a guess as there's zero info. Not sure if Abby is even related to the Christian thing or not, or a totally different plot than killer Christians. The game might have two main enemy plots. Abby and Christians, unless they make Abby a combo plot where she's out for revenge and also part of a Christian cult. Then again, the religious angle might be fake. If the game is already aimed at a two pronged Ellie/Abby angle, there might not be enough time to intertwine a religious plot in it

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Here's my guess assuming all these leaks are true, with priority accuracy being videos vs. reddit posts.

Clarification
- That half Ellie/half Abby focus group agenda is true
- Abby is the daughter of the doctor going for revenge

First half of game
- Ellie meets Dina
- Dina breaks up with Chinese BF, but turns out is pregnant by him
- Ellie and Dina hook up
- Ellie, Dina and Joel venture off as a trio
- Thy get ambushed by Abby's team. Joel get's smacked*****, but Ellie and Dina somehow escape and Abby looks for them
- Screen fades to black

Second half of game
- Background story on Abby, including family, doctor dad etc...
- Joel is back, but as flashback how he killed the doctor, leaving Abby in ruins. Includes the young scene of Abby growing up and with Lev looking for them
- Abby levels showing how she got to power and figuring out a revenge plot and finding them
- As Abby, you find them which leads to ambush point I mentioned above. This is another possible point Joel gets smacked******, then you get around to Ellie and Dina who escape and you have to find them. Ellie is pinned down, but maybe Dina comes from behind and forces them to let her go and they are on the run
- Final showdown as Abby finds them
- Ellie and Dina live on as Lev says let them live. They have a falling out later in life where Ellie wants to ditch her and avenge Joel. Abby and her team are long gone
- Fades to black as this is the plot for Part 3. Ellie for sure looking for Abby. Who knows how much screen time Dina gets

Unknowns
- Rumours had Christian bigots roaming around. Based off the cut scenes, can't form a guess as there's zero info. Not sure if Abby is even related to the Christian thing or not, or a totally different plot than killer Christians. The game might have to main enemy plots. Abby and Christians

No thanks.

I will rather keep my $60 for another launch PS5 game.

This sounds horrible. WHAT THE HELL?????

 

[Explosive Zombie]

No thanks.

I will rather keep my $60 for another launch PS5 game.

This sounds horrible. WHAT THE HELL?????

Why does it sound horrible to people? What kind of plot did people expect the game to have?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No thanks.

I will rather keep my $60 for another launch PS5 game.

This sounds horrible. WHAT THE HELL?????

Just a guess based off a few reddit/4chan posts and maybe 5-6 video clips.

My piecing together limited info might be totally off.

 

[Cato]

Here's my guess assuming all these leaks are true, with priority accuracy being videos vs. reddit posts.

Clarification
- That half Ellie/half Abby focus group agenda is true
- Abby is the daughter of the doctor going for revenge

First half of game
- Ellie meets Dina
- Dina breaks up with Chinese BF, but turns out is pregnant by him
- Ellie and Dina hook up
- Ellie, Dina and Joel venture off as a trio
- Thy get ambushed by Abby's team. Joel get's smacked*****, but Ellie and Dina somehow escape and Abby looks for them
- Screen fades to black

Second half of game
- Background story on Abby, including family, doctor dad etc...
- Joel is back, but as flashback how he killed the doctor, leaving Abby in ruins. Includes the young scene of Abby growing up and with Lev looking for them
- Abby levels showing how she got to power and figuring out a revenge plot and finding them
- As Abby, you find them which leads to ambush point I mentioned above. This is another possible point Joel gets smacked******, then you get around to Ellie and Dina who escape and you have to find them. Ellie is pinned down, but maybe Dina comes from behind and forces them to let her go and they are on the run
- Final showdown as Abby finds them
- Ellie and Dina live on as Lev says let them live. They have a falling out later in life where Ellie wants to ditch her and avenge Joel. Abby and her team are long gone
- Fades to black as this is the plot for Part 3. Ellie for sure looking for Abby. Who knows how much screen time Dina gets

Unknowns
- Rumours had Christian bigots roaming around. Based off the cut scenes, can't form a guess as there's zero info. Not sure if Abby is even related to the Christian thing or not, or a totally different plot than killer Christians. The game might have two main enemy plots. Abby and Christians, unless they make Abby a combo plot where she's out for revenge and also part of a Christian cult. Then again, the religious angle might be fake. If the game is already aimed at a two pronged Ellie/Abby angle, there might not be enough time to intertwine a religious plot in it

That is good speculation.
But I am not comfortable with Abby whacking Joel and then later we play as Abby.
That would be very weird. You start playing as Abby just after she did something unforgivable that makes you deeply hate her.
People would just put the game down in that case.

I would lean towards Abby whacking Joel happens AFTER we have finished playing as Abbey.

So,
We start with Abbey, maybe she is even friendly towards Ellie and Joel. We play as her we bond with her we get emotionally invested in her and we have feelings for this character.
Then something happens, Abbey now realizes that it was Ellie and Joel that killed her father and in a rage she whacks Joel.
At this point we are finished with Abbey as the protagonist and we will not play as her anymore.

That would make much more sense to me.

Remember, the order that they focus test the segments might not be the same order as they occur in the game.

TBH these spoilers are making me much more excited about this game than I was before.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

That is good speculation.
But I am not comfortable with Abby whacking Joel and then later we play as Abby.
That would be very weird. You start playing as Abby just after she did something unforgivable that makes you deeply hate her.
People would just put the game down in that case.

I would lean towards Abby whacking Joel happens AFTER we have finished playing as Abbey.

So,
We start with Abbey, maybe she is even friendly towards Ellie and Joel. We play as her we bond with her we get emotionally invested in her and we have feelings for this character.
Then something happens, Abbey now realizes that it was Ellie and Joel that killed her father and in a rage she whacks Joel.
At this point we are finished with Abbey as the protagonist and we will not play as her anymore.

That would make much more sense to me.

Remember, the order that they focus test the segments might not be the same order as they occur in the game.

Playing as her afterwards is exactly done to be jarring and the more you play as her the more you're forced to empathize with her struggle despite your hatred for her actions, if done will it will be brilliant.

 

[Jbomb19]

I'm avoiding all spoilers but I'm picking up on something. A simple yes or no will do, so is the 'agenda' Neil spoke about a long time ago 'too obvious' in TLOU2? I really hope not but that's roughly what I'm picking up.

what agenda did he speak of, specif

Playing as her afterwards is exactly done to be jarring and the more you play as her the more you're forced to empathize with her struggle despite your hatred for her actions, if done will it will be brilliant.

agreed. It’s a risk but if the execution is on point, could be very cool.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That is good speculation.
But I am not comfortable with Abby whacking Joel and then later we play as Abby.
That would be very weird. You start playing as Abby just after she did something unforgivable that makes you deeply hate her.
People would just put the game down in that case.

I would lean towards Abby whacking Joel happens AFTER we have finished playing as Abbey.

So,
We start with Abbey, maybe she is even friendly towards Ellie and Joel. We play as her we bond with her we get emotionally invested in her and we have feelings for this character.
Then something happens, Abbey now realizes that it was Ellie and Joel that killed her father and in a rage she whacks Joel.
At this point we are finished with Abbey as the protagonist and we will not play as her anymore.

That would make much more sense to me.

Remember, the order that they focus test the segments might not be the same order as they occur in the game.

TBH these spoilers are making me much more excited about this game than I was before.

Hmmmm.... that whodunnit moment you mentioned can definitely work. Another plot twist, since these leaks make Abby look like an angry person day one.

The one thing that would conflict with your twist is that cut scene of Abby and Lev being young and looking for someone. I'm ASSUMING that they are looking for Joel and Ellie, which means they already are trying to find them.

Then again, that scene might have nothing to do with finding Joel and Ellie. I dont think they mention they are looking for them in that scene.