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ASUS implements another price hike for GeForce RTX 5090 cards (25% increase), RX 9070 XT now stars at $720

Zathalus

Member
Define massive demand, I'm confident you're throwing that word around easily. We've talked about this before, but most PC gamers have a rig less powerful than a base PS5. So again, I ask, how are you defining demand as massive?
54% of GPUs on Steam are close to or better than a base PS5. According to JPR Nvidia and AMD ship tens of millions of discrete consumer GPUs per year (so not datacenter bound GPUs).

So the demand for GPUs are certainly there, the problem is Nvidia are increasingly wanting to sell to the datacenter market and thus leave tiny margins for AIBs and a shortage of general stock.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
54% of GPUs on Steam are close to or better than a base PS5. According to JPR Nvidia and AMD ship tens of millions of discrete consumer GPUs per year (so not datacenter bound GPUs).

So the demand for GPUs are certainly there, the problem is Nvidia are increasingly wanting to sell to the datacenter market and thus leave tiny margins for AIBs and a shortage of general stock.
At this point, what do we need AIBs for? Back then when reference cards were utter shit and partner models were clocked 20% higher, ran cooler, and were quieter, they were needed. Now, FE models are more than good enough, often rivaling mid-tier aftermarket models.

The issue is that NVIDIA has no supply chains or deals to ship directly to retailers, so they have to rely on their partners to do that. AIBs are middlemen that no longer offer value. They're just here to take our money. We need to oust them as they're no longer necessary.
 
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HerjansEagleFeeder

Gold Member
I'm talking from a purely gaming perspective here, I'm a pc gamer but I've built into my system over years, I'm just wondering price wise if I were to build from scratch today what's the lowest hardware needed to beat a PS5 Pro in games?
3700X & RTX 3060 if i remember correctly from the claims DF made back then.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
This is the complete offering of GPUs from Best Buy right now. And those 5000 series cards are "coming soon". Slim pickings....

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Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
54% of GPUs on Steam are close to or better than a base PS5. According to JPR Nvidia and AMD ship tens of millions of discrete consumer GPUs per year (so not datacenter bound GPUs).

So the demand for GPUs are certainly there, the problem is Nvidia are increasingly wanting to sell to the datacenter market and thus leave tiny margins for AIBs and a shortage of general stock.

I'm constantly hearing how the PS5 isn't selling fast enough, so not seeing how 54% (not getting into your measurements, the accuracy of the survey, or what you determined as close to or better than) is considered good let alone "massive".

But what's more important is how this demand wanes due to cost.
 

Zathalus

Member
I'm constantly hearing how the PS5 isn't selling fast enough, so not seeing how 54% (not getting into your measurements, the accuracy of the survey, or what you determined as close to or better than) is considered good let alone "massive".

But what's more important is how this demand wanes due to cost.
I just used 2070 Super performance as a baseline, which I think is analogous to a PS5, wins in some and looses is others. As for accuracy, it sends tens of thousands of survey requests a month which means the results should be highly accurate, with a margin of error of less then 1% (using the standard 95% confidence level).

As for demand, the 9070 XT had a good launch price for some units at MSRP and launched with very good stock, certainly over a 100k units world wide considering how much individual small retailers got, and those MSRP GPUs vanished very quickly. That is a single GPU from a vendor not nearly as popular as Nvidia. Of course demand will wane to cost, but most people will just use their current GPU and wait for costs to come down, which in the EU they already are. I just checked and Inno 5090s that were €4500 a few weeks back can now be had for around €3200. 5070 TIs are down several hundred Euro as well, from ~1400 to ~1100. Probably not that much longer and the cards will be back close to MSRP (at least in the EU, tariffs are likely going to play hell with American pricing).
 

GHG

Gold Member
At one point peoples have to put in the money where it needs to be to stop the duopoly.

That's not how it works.

As we've seen with the 9070XT and in particular AMD's advancements with FSR and Ray tracing, the product needs to be there first.

Intel aren't quite there yet, they still have some issues that need to be resolved before they can be considered a realistic alternative for most.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
The day it exceeds my 3080 Ti Intel will be on radar yes.

But the argument is peoples chasing 4060 performance and complain about prices. Well there's the alternative. Good amount of VRAM too.

yeah, I agree. The problem is Intel GPUs are not readily available either.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
I just used 2070 Super performance as a baseline, which I think is analogous to a PS5, wins in some and looses is others. As for accuracy, it sends tens of thousands of survey requests a month which means the results should be highly accurate, with a margin of error of less then 1% (using the standard 95% confidence level).

Let's say you're right and that the 2070 super is analogous to the GPU in the PS5, the problem you've made is also assuming that all of those who have a 2070 super or better also have a good enough CPU.

Also if you pay attention to monthly surveys you can see the shift in numbers would suggest the margin of error is far greater than 1%.

As for demand, the 9070 XT had a good launch price for some units at MSRP and launched with very good stock, certainly over a 100k units world wide considering how much individual small retailers got, and those MSRP GPUs vanished very quickly. That is a single GPU from a vendor not nearly as popular as Nvidia. Of course demand will wane to cost, but most people will just use their current GPU and wait for costs to come down, which in the EU they already are. I just checked and Inno 5090s that were €4500 a few weeks back can now be had for around €3200. 5070 TIs are down several hundred Euro as well, from ~1400 to ~1100. Probably not that much longer and the cards will be back close to MSRP (at least in the EU, tariffs are likely going to play hell with American pricing).

If the PS5 Pro did 100K units in its first month, it would be deemed a failure.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Wasn't another issue with them is that they need beefy cpu's because the drivers are kinda heavy? Saw Gamer Jesus noting something like that/

I'm not sure. I just remember seeing this $250 card marked up to over $400 in a matter of days.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
A 4060 barely beats the base PS5. 5600X+4070 is comfortably above in most instances. A 3070 Ti should be quite close, but its constrained by 8GB of VRAM.

Will probably need a 16GB 5060 Ti if the rumors of the 8GB 5060 are true, unless they also got a 16GB variant as well.
How much would that 5060 Ti cost?
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
On a more positive note....my local Microcenter actually had some 5070s in stock for a while....the $800 models. Its one source, but its a small sign that gamers realize the 5000 series is indeed a bad deal.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Damn. I got my Asus TUF 9070xt for $735 USD ($1,059 CAD). These prices are only going to continue to get worse.
I got my Prime for $719 at Amazon....I could have gotten it for $599 at my local Microcenter, but I had to work that morning and its 40 miles away, but damn do I love going there.
 

Zathalus

Member
Let's say you're right and that the 2070 super is analogous to the GPU in the PS5, the problem you've made is also assuming that all of those who have a 2070 super or better also have a good enough CPU.
Obviously not that hard. The CPU on the PS5 was way less impressive than the GPU when it launched back in 2020. A $200 CPU from almost 6 years ago is enough to match it in most titles, these days a sub $100 CPU does the job. Referring to the Steam Survey again, 49% have an 8 core or better and another 35% have a 6 core. The amount of gaming PCs that have a better CPU vs the PS5 vs the GPU is almost certainly higher.

Also if you pay attention to monthly surveys you can see the shift in numbers would suggest the margin of error is far greater than 1%.
I pay attention to each survey, the shift on a month to month basis has very little shift for everything. When there is a massive change it’s due to Valve correcting an error (which they mentioned back in 2018), or if they combine the Steam China and regular Steam numbers, as we can see from the boost in simplified Chinese. Even if we go back last month and exclude the Chinese numbers the percentage drops by less 10 points, which doesn’t really change the point that roughly half of Steam has a GPU equal or better than the PS5.

If the PS5 Pro did 100K units in its first month, it would be deemed a failure.
A single GPU from AMD which is significantly less popular than Nvidia. Consumer AIB GPU cards (so not automotive, SOCs, or datacenter) topped 35.7 million units last year.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
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Bless your heart...

Gunnir + newegg is scalper price.

Of course that's available like scalper price ASUS 5090 will be eventually

But I disgress, DF video talks about B570...



Sold out is at least good news for Intel. New models coming soon at cheap prices @ BHP.

In Canada I could take a car right now and drive 20 mins to pick one up


Challenger B570, B580 available near me. The limited editon B580 available too. I don't because these don't beat the card I have, but they're on shelves and much cheaper than 4060.
 
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Fbh

Gold Member
Seems like the only way for me to jump to Pc in the near future is that someone magically releases a really good "$399 MSRP" GPU so it's actually available on the market for $699.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Gunnir + newegg is scalper price.

Of course that's available like scalper price ASUS 5090 will be eventually

But I disgress, DF video talks about B570...



Sold out is at least good news for Intel. New models coming soon at cheap prices @ BHP.

In Canada I could take a car right now and drive 20 mins to pick one up


Challenger B570, B580 available near me. The limited editon B580 available too. I don't because these don't beat the card I have, but they're on shelves and much cheaper than 4060.
Thats cute....you actually think that will happen in a quantity that has any chance of making any difference...
 
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