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Avowed Boasts 5.9 Million Players In First Month
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Why should anyone buy? It's on Game Pass.
Topher
Identifies as young
And plenty of folks here at GAF were disputing all that. Don't generalize GAF.
DryvBy
Member
The "its on Game pass" is one of the factors why the Xbox turned into an Ex-box.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Microsoft's problem. Not mine as a consumer.
LordOcidax
Member
Common sense is not allowed when is about Gamepass stuff… So please, don’t use it.
XXL
Member
phant0m
Member
Yes it does. Business cares about MAU/engagement now, not sales.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The persecution complex is strong with that one.
who said its your problem, people are talking about meaningless metrics. it'll also be your problem too in next episode of "xbox studio hunger games"
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
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captainpat
Member
Wow, those are pretty high numbers. Weird that Microsoft themselves aren’t celebrating this milestone
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Sales is also meaningless metric for games on gamepass. The only useful metric is profits.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Indy didn't even chart in the NPD Xbox bestsellers on Xbox in it's second month.
Avowed possibly won't either.
Engagement numbers also don't mean much if GP subs remain stagnant.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah but they used to tweet out numbers fairly regularly for newly released games. If there hadn't been an investor call I doubt we would have got Indy numbers.
Mephisto40
Member
5.4 million GamePass
0.5 million paid
0.5 million paid
panda-zebra
Member
Absolutely, 100% well deserved. Avowed and everyone involved should be proud and feel vindicated that *checks notes* mindgamedata.com chose to guess that 5.9M people played the game based on search engine metrics and stream tracking rather than actual tracking of active users or purchasers.
DryvBy
Member
It is your problem when you end up with cliffhanger endings and no desire to make a sequel. Or when a game comes out buggy and they don't bother to fix it. Or they abandon content plans because no one bought it.
Halo MCC was only fixed because there was potential of people buying it later. If this same product was GP slop, it would have stayed in its original state. Sometimes you need to look past today.
diffusionx
Gold Member
If the number was so great then MS would have announced it.
Shubh_C63
Member
That means...Indiana Jones was even worse than we imagined.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Indiana Jones is such an incredible game IMO.
Deserves 10s of millions more players than that!
Deserves 10s of millions more players than that!
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Players is even a stupid metric cause a lot of GP players don't even get the first few achievements.
Usually achievements that you can't miss an hour or two into the games have a real low percentage.
I doubt the dev gets a lot from GP when the engagement is for like an hour.
Usually achievements that you can't miss an hour or two into the games have a real low percentage.
I doubt the dev gets a lot from GP when the engagement is for like an hour.
SEGAvangelist
Member
They took a month to get the Indy numbers out. Avowed has been out for 10 days. I'm not saying this estimate is true, but we probably won't see numbers for a while, assuming they even reveal them.
semiconscious
Member
be a playa, baby!...
xenosys
Member
That's really not good for a D1 AAA release, even if it's on GP.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It is the same with full priced games that sells poorly.
Why should I pay more than what the owner is charging??
reinking
Gold Member
I read it as midgames.
I’m going to give Avowed one more shot this weekend. It seems to have a following and I don’t want to give up yet.
DryvBy
Member
That part isn't your problem. The original problem is a MS problem for sure, but the people that cheer it on are also another side of that problem.
What would help sell games again is probably demos. Give me a good chunk of a game and let me pick up where I left off after. Yakuza nailed this.
Kacho
Gold Member
Look at the completion percentage for the first three story related achievements on Xbox and Steam. Very interesting.
Xbox
You've Got It From Here (15G) - Sailed to Paradis from Fort Northreach. 60%
A Cistern Warning (15G) - Confronted your assassin in the Cistern. 25%
A Proper Introduction (15G) - Uncovered the secret of Naku Tedek. 11%
Steam
You've Got It From Here (15G) - Sailed to Paradis from Fort Northreach. 91%
A Cistern Warning (15G) - Confronted your assassin in the Cistern. 54%
A Proper Introduction (15G) - Uncovered the secret of Naku Tedek. 28%
March Climber
Member
This normally ends up being the case with almost anything under the Disney umbrella. The Star Wars games are better too.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I’m not even trying to single out this game. That’s pretty much how every game is on gamepass on Xbox.
coachmcguirk91
Member
TBF, Indy did massively bomb, by every metric. Avowed is probably half or a 1/3 the budget of Indy. It's surely doing decently given that
SEGAvangelist
Member
Can you think of a better way to estimate the number? They're not claiming it's the official number. The PKInsight article headline looks like the culprit here.
Seems like a whole bunch of predictions based on steam peak numbers, streaming views and search volume. I won't even bother with it
Kacho
Gold Member
Sentenza
Member
Extremely vague ("players") and optimistic ones, too.
The gaslighting as a way of coping is still going strong, apparently.
It's the same script we already witnessed with Veilguard.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Isn't this what we'd assume? Part of the appeal of Game Pass for developers is to get people to try the game. Actual game purchase players would be more likely to continue to play the game.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And refunds like Steam does.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Halo MCC is on gamepass?
It's not like plenty of games that were only sold at retail haven't had the issues you are talking about, in fact it seems more prevelant because sales are so front loaded that you make most of your money in the first month or two.
Kacho
Gold Member
If Game Pass engagement is going to be used as a defense for poor sales, we need to contextualize it.
If Avowed isn't selling a ton of copies (because of Game Pass) and Game Pass users aren't playing the game for more than an hour or two, why would Microsoft keep them around? What value do they have?
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SEGAvangelist
Member
I wasn't commenting on sales. I was commenting on the engagement difference between people playing on Game Pass and Steam.
Stuart360
Member
Well i'm on Gamepass and i'm 40 hours in. Its also the most fun and addictive game i have played in quite a while. So imo all the people trolling the game are the ones missing out.
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