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Chuds are winning, wokes are losing. Do game developers still not get the message?
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
i am a man woke crud makes arshamed to play annnnd makes the game crud im sorry my friends
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Bernardougf
Member
Yeah... now its "all about games" lets drop social politics activism.
No one likes to be on a lost discussion
PeteBull
Member
Yup, they are surprised we wanna serve them nukes after they made first move with pearl harbor, guess what, once u are agressor all bets are off.
It got so bad with wokeism and feminism women are answering this to bear vs man question:
Reality tho doesnt care about woke agenda or delusion:
PeteBull
Member
Its what liberals came out with to try to dehumanise sane/normal ppl who dont agree with their agenda and for example decide to not support woke entertainment with their wallet, they call us many names : incels, chuds, mysogynists, racists pigs, etc etc, hell i remember being called nazi too(funny thing is, since im from eastern europe my grandpa was actually put into german arbeitskamp and had to do actual slavework for 2 years durning ww2, not "corposlave" but actual slavework where u eat, wash up/sleep/work when u are told to, are beat up/tortured/starved, not allowed to change clothes and all kinds of nasty stuff, he was in his early 20s, healthy young buck so he made it tru, luckily), so those leftists usually use words w/o even knowing actual meaning, maybe they even do it on purpose to change meaning/lessen impact of actual meaning of those words? Wouldnt be surprised at all.
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Kotaro
Member
DEI cannot be allowed to exist at all. they should be wiped out everywhere
gaheris
Member
By going to the absolute extremes you are no better. Why should be wiped out people who disagree with your point of view because that is KKK, Nazi kind of talk. Different kinds of people exist, they are human and this kind of talk is disgusting.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
He's not referring to actual people but DEI policies/departments.
Fucking hell, stop with the nazi bullshit.
Drake
Member
Yup, they are surprised we wanna serve them nukes after they made first move with pearl harbor, guess what, once u are agressor all bets are off.
It got so bad with wokeism and feminism women are answering this to bear vs man question:
Reality tho doesnt care about woke agenda or delusion:
These blue haired fucks are the greatest example of "You can dish it out, but can't take it" I've ever seen. They were so emboldened by years of their online echo chambers. They do not know how to handle it now and it is so glorious.
Fake
Gold Member
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Draugoth
Gold Member
Yup, they are surprised we wanna serve them nukes after they made first move with pearl harbor, guess what, once u are agressor all bets are off.
It got so bad with wokeism and feminism women are answering this to bear vs man question:
Reality tho doesnt care about woke agenda or delusion:
Did these women ever get a ingrown toenail? Bruh, i was biten by a 90 pounds dog and the bite mark it still there, i cant imagine a 1500lb bear
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Raven117
Member
Lol! How’s your first year of college going?
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Already graduated a long time ago. Point is Dei = corps wanting more money. And core gamers ignore AA so we will keep having this dei situation. Best case situation is let the nerds make their games with overview of team lead not radicals that have no passion for gaming aka the professor.
Zacfoldor
Member
The flaw in believing the theory that DEI leads to more sales is that you assume you will keep your existing customers. You won't.
Let's say you own a pizza place. You have served only pepperoni pizza forever. However, your customer base is loyal but dwindling. New customers like pineapple on their pizza. Ordinary people would simply offer two pizzas, one pineapple and one pepperoni, problem solved right?
Wrong, with DEI the old product becomes offensive. So with DEI, instead of two pizzas, you will get one pizza with both pepperoni and pineapple on it. There will be less pepperoni than before to make room for the pineapple.
The logic fails because even though the pineapple might draw in some new people, the old fanbase who like pepperoni no longer has an option to buy the pizza they want, and instead have to buy one with pineapple all over it. This is the time they are realizing they are bleeding their original fan base, and that the new fanbase, no matter how enthusiastic, is way too small to sustain a pizza joint.
They should just offer 2 pizzas. Then they would quickly realize that no human being is buying pineapple and close that one down. Many companies already know this but their management are true believers in the politics behind DEI and have drunk the cool aid so much that no amount of monetary loss or closure would ever get them to see the error of their business ways.
Let's say you own a pizza place. You have served only pepperoni pizza forever. However, your customer base is loyal but dwindling. New customers like pineapple on their pizza. Ordinary people would simply offer two pizzas, one pineapple and one pepperoni, problem solved right?
Wrong, with DEI the old product becomes offensive. So with DEI, instead of two pizzas, you will get one pizza with both pepperoni and pineapple on it. There will be less pepperoni than before to make room for the pineapple.
The logic fails because even though the pineapple might draw in some new people, the old fanbase who like pepperoni no longer has an option to buy the pizza they want, and instead have to buy one with pineapple all over it. This is the time they are realizing they are bleeding their original fan base, and that the new fanbase, no matter how enthusiastic, is way too small to sustain a pizza joint.
They should just offer 2 pizzas. Then they would quickly realize that no human being is buying pineapple and close that one down. Many companies already know this but their management are true believers in the politics behind DEI and have drunk the cool aid so much that no amount of monetary loss or closure would ever get them to see the error of their business ways.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I remember when most game developers (in America, at least) were white and male. Until around the turn of the century, that was still overwhelmingly true. A lot of black or brown people were turned away because they didn't "fit the culture" of whichever studios they applied to. It was who you know rather than what you know that mattered or looked like and acted like the majority of the dev department. There are inroads being made with qualified black and brown folks in the industry... But there has to be pushback against those who don't see black and brown folks as being qualified regardless of their education and skill sets.
This is something that actually happens.
This is something that actually happens.
soulbait
Member
And vegans will tell you they keep telling everyone because they care about animals, think it is better for the environment, better for everyone's health, and more.
Any "evangelist" out there constantly telling everyone else their position on something like this, will always view themselves as the "good guys" fighting for a better cause.
You ain't special.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
It's an easy way to divide us and distract us from real issues. Rich people are getting aggressively wealthier and poor people are almost celebrating it.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I don't think its "almost" to be honest, poor people will cheer for tax cuts, even tho they don't even reach the tax cut brackets and so on.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Because they're told it will benefit them when it won't. Despite every metric showing it won't. They believe the WORDS more than the actions.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
Which is sad because we could completely change things if we were all unified. If the pandemic taught me anything it's that regular people, essential workers, could completely shut a country down. But instead elected officials are becoming millionaires in the stock market. Billionaires are buying governments. And poor people are dying or going into debt with medical bills and having the retirement age getting farther and farther from them.
What's even sadder is that we all actually want the same things too. But we let them divide us.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's what ultimate comfort and privilege gets them. Ignorance.
Raven117
Member
Well. I certainly dont disagree with this.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Common sense meaning what? Thinking differently is wrong? Having a nose ring makes you woke or bad? Wanting diversity is evil?
Common sense in what way? That EXTREMES are wrong (in either direction) or that being different is wrong? Clarification is needed.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Your a wokie so I will hit waste my breath. Go fight the patriarchy or blame your problems on certain races.
And fuck your pronouns
GymWolf
Member
Lol i played the game and is not even the most woke part.
Ubisoft tricked the chuds with the gremlins faced protagonist so they would not notice the other woke shit that is in the game
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Don't know me and making assumptions... And your grammar is wrong. LoL! Guess I know who didn't paid attention in English class LMBO!
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
It's not evil, but it sure makes those that feel the need to be represented like either insecure or narcissistic.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
You really got me!
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Got to love the irony
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Wanting Representation isn't being narcissistic nor insecure. I and others in here have talked about being represented in media how good it felt. When you are barely a blip (as a lead) in media (all kinds), it can feel disheartening. White people have never had to feel any of that in media when they've been the default hero/protagonist since the 1920s.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Eh. One typo against your post is barely anything to crow about.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I don't get why it's so important.
Sure, I'm white, but there's more to a person than it's skin color. Can't a black person feel represented by a white person that thinks just the same as him? Or has the same values? Or loves/hates the same stuff?
But hey if it makes you happy then I'm glad you are getting more stuff that represents you. I'm not saying representation hurts (when done right), I'm just saying that I don't see the point.
iQuasarLV
Member
As Denzel said, "It's not a race thing, it's cultural."
Yet, idiots WANT/NEED to make it about race and cannot separate the two terms. This is the true problem with pro-nouns or identity or sexuality or race; people want to crow about it and force it into other people's faces, but the terms people use are unable to understand as the inherent nature is excluding the two.
They can only see labels = culture and nothing will change their minds.
I sometimes wonder if psychologists all around the world are wringing their hands in anticipation of all the money they will reap from all the mentally broken people they will get to charge in the future.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
When the only black people (I'm using this example because I'm black and can speak about my experience) you see in movies and TV are all criminals or comic relief or the help in small roles meant to benefit the white protagonist, it helps to shape your worldview. When I was little, I thought white people were better than because they had all the power and were held up as the prettiest, most handsome, the hero, etc... that's almost exclusively because of the media I consumed. That STARTED to change when Denzel Washington was getting lead roles in mainstream movies. Yes, there were smaller films that didn't make much at the box office that I thought were good but most people (white) didn't talk about them or even know about them like Meteor Man, The Five Heartbeats, Hollywood Shuffle, etc. They were seen as "black films" and not worthy to check out, despite majority of media being almost all white not being called "white films".... They were just films.
I'm 50 now and I've grown out of that thinking I had as a kid. Yes, I can enjoy a movie with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, Patrick Swayze, etc ... As can anyone! But it gave me such an awakening when black men and women were leads in movies and TV shows (like The Cosby Show or A Different World or Living Single) started being made and gained wide appeal while still talking about issues that people around me talked about.
I would recommend you check those movies out that I mentioned.
laynelane
Member
I think many DEI proponents in gaming are narcissistic. I'm reminded of the director of Veilguard who thinks the lived experiences of the developers are most important in a game and also that they need to feel safe - which means they're reflected in the game. The paying customer, however, just wants a good Dragon Age game. All the pandering, lecturing, etc. comes from that place too. The insecurity is reflected in the absolute refusal to listen to customers and often attacking them for any and all criticism.
Gaming has always been diverse, as well. There's tonnes of examples. DEI, to me, isn't about diversity - it's about ideology and the result has been a string of bad games that bombed commercially. Even then, there are examples of recent games with "diversity" that have done well - BG3 comes to mind and Stellar Blade with its female lead. I just think that no matter how many successes there are now and in the past that did have diverse casts and representation, it will never be good enough for activist types. It's an all or nothing game where we, the gamers/customers, are expected to foot the bill - ie. buy the games whether we like it or not. It's no wonder it hasn't been working out, really.
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iQuasarLV
Member
Man, really? I grew up with just as much black positive shows as white. I am 44 and Levar Burton, Denzel Washington, Anthony Macke, Chris Rock/Tucker, etc were just as prevalent as Tom Cruise, Bruce Willis, Brendan Fraiser, Chris Evans, ETC.
Or perhaps it was you own personal world view of what you considered black representation in media just didn't click with you and thus felt excluded? Not all
"white" roles click with me but I do not feel excluded as a result.
Kacho
Gold Member
I get why it's important on some level, but not everything needs to be diverse for the sake of being diverse. I really hate how western entertainment started doing diversity checklist nonsense at the same time. Everything feels so safe and homogenized now.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sanford & Sons, Cosby Show, Jeffersons, Good Times, Fresh Prince, etc, etc..
iQuasarLV
Member
Holy shit forgot about Will and the Fresh Prince show. Yea the ETC is a safety word to basically say I can't keep recalling but I know there were others. One of the few show jingles that I still can sing to this day.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
We just have different experiences. Not all black people have the same experiences, but we have similar...I watched Friday, Reading Rainbow (Star Trek is and always will be the exception because it was the ORIGINAL definition of woke), etc ... Like I said, "black films" weren't considered mainstream... They were always considered "niche" and still are. When Black Panther was made and released, which was the SECOND time up that point that a BIG budget mainstream movie with a nearly all-black cast was made but the FIRST time (Red Tails tanked) a movie like that gained wide appeal AND was a bonafide success.
I am speaking plainly and not talking about anything as an exclusion to the general black experience.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I love The Jeffersons.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Those shows were good... There wouldn't have been a Fresh Prince of there wasn't a Cosby Show. Think about it... A wealthy black doctor and a black lawyer living where they did with 5 kids who were all articulate and good looking (Rudy is a fine ass woman now) was unheard of in 1984 but it was a success due to Bill's uncontroversial reputation... But he made it a point to highlight black culture and history.
Sanford & Son and Good Times and The Jeffersons were great shows and were great for their time. I'll do you one better and list Julia starring Diahann Carrol
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
What's funny about my post,
thismeinteil
? Or are you going to laugh react to this post too?
thismeinteil
? Or are you going to laugh react to this post too?
iQuasarLV
Member
I loved her roles in White Collar.
Haint
Member
This kind of stuff was no doubt a Disney mandate which limits depictions of violence in the Star Wars property. They obviously aren't going to allow her to stab skulls, slit throats, or even break necks.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I'd love if that were the case. More games and movies about different cultures seem like a win for everyone. More than once I've read how there is a lack of Aztec-looking games and how cool that would be as a setting, and it's true.
Meanwhile the people in charge of this kind of stuff seems to only care about skin color , with a preference for a particular one, and nothing else, which makes no sense to me. Black elves in Rings of Power is an insult, to the fans and imo even to black people, as they are being used as a way of virtue signaling. Meanwhile a movie like Django Unchained is amazing. Go figure.
I think there was no reason to feel bad because nobody on the big screen looked like you man, but maybe we are just different on that, can't judge and I won't.
But yes, after reading your post I can see how representation can be a good thing for those being more represented. I think
Kacho
put it very nicely in his previous post: representation good, but when done right.Hope I don't sound like a racist, but I'd like to go back to Rings of Power as one of the worst cases I've seen. Why are the elves black, but only some of them? Why are people of multiple races living on the same small medieval village? Is it fucking Manhattan or what? I think there are some things that should come before representation, like historical accuracy or, in the case of a work of fiction, some respect for the lore. But yeah the elves (white or black) also had short hair so I guess they didn't know shit about the lore nor meant any respect to it.
Meanwhile nobody (or at least not me) gave two shits about CJ in San Andreas because well, it's the USA and the 90's so it makes sense there's people of all kinds over there.
And it's the same with any other particular group of people. Gays? Nobody complained about the one in TLOU because it was written like an actual person. Compare him to that thing with horns in DA:V whose whole personality is about being non-binary.
Probably just a matter of hiring better writters, which I hope will be the case once all this DEI stuff affecting hiring processes is gone.
I've added them to my list, ty.
What about Kenan & Kel? Loved that one, but it's from the 2000s I believe.