Nydius
Member
Literally a month from now.
So pretty much what you see in this beta is the core of what you’re going to get at launch, unless they decide to delay or cancel it (which I doubt).
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Concord real open beta is live
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Literally a month from now.
So pretty much what you see in this beta is the core of what you’re going to get at launch, unless they decide to delay or cancel it (which I doubt).
PeteBull
Member
Even if their sole expectation was to push woke agenda, it failed terribly coz its such a tiny number of players that played it, not to mention reccuperating cost/making cash after supposed 6 fucking years of development, hopefully heads at the top gonna fall
Killjoy-NL
Member
Sure, if a game flops, that should be logical.Even if their sole expectation was to push woke agenda, it failed terribly coz its such a tiny number of players that played it, not to mention reccuperating cost/making cash after supposed 6 fucking years of development, hopefully heads at the top gonna fall
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Their random character generator made Teo look like Cutter Slade in Outcast.
I don’t plan to get it just cause I don’t like hero shooters enough to spend money on them. I’ve played a little Paladins and Rogue Company with friends but that’s it.
I don’t plan to get it just cause I don’t like hero shooters enough to spend money on them. I’ve played a little Paladins and Rogue Company with friends but that’s it.
clarky
Gold Member
You think the only thing that is different between those images is the colour pallet?
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
What the fuck were they thinking, seriously.
"Hey look everybody: we have fat people, and they/them people, and characters with purple hair, and not one not two but three sassy black ladies to choose from (obviously they have either dreadlocks or an afro because duh that's mandatory), and everyone has pronouns"
Well guess what you dumb assholes, people who care about stupid shit like this don't play videogames. And people who don't care about stupid shit like this don't want to play your videogame.
So what's the endgame here, exactly? What is the business model? The design philosophy? What did they think was going to happen with a roster like this?
I'd give anything to be in the internal meetings where this was discussed.
This is aids.
Fuck off, the cat’s awesome
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
When it comes to the whining? For sure.
Or are we going to act like people didnt whine about similar things for an entire gen?
Everyone was whining about military shooters and COD clones and dudebro vibes. Lol
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clarky
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PeteBull
Member
they sold well tho, now u got purple shooters that dont sell well, lets see how it goes further ;D
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I also think, if SIE were smart, they'd get the Concord devs on as support studio for Helldivers 2 content working alongside Arrowhead. Let's face it, the chances SIE (or anyone else, for that matter) hit lightning in a bottle like Helldivers 2 over the course of this gen are very, very slim. Every single other one of SIE's GAAS titles could bomb, that's how little chance there is for them to get another HD2 moment.
HD2 is still a fairly popular game with a decently-sized player base on Steam and certainly PS5; at this point SIE need to stop cutting one GAAS's prospects for another that turns out to be DOA like Concord. They already have their potential long-term GAAS success in Helldivers 2; help Arrowhead get big content updates out, add PvP, add new mechanics and cosmetics. Concord isn't going to be salvageable, most likely, but Firewalk clearly have talent in creating assets and whatnot. So let them be a support studio on Helldivers 2 while Arrowhead commandeers creative and lore choices.
Yes the PSN situation with HD2 on PC is an issue but SIE just have to accept that missed their chance to tie PSN requirements to HD2 by removing the requirement at launch and months afterwards. Ghosts of Tsushima clearly shows Steam users don't have a problem with PSN if it's there from the get-go. The most they can hope with Helldivers 2 is incentivize PC players to opt-in for a PSN account via perks and whatnot.
My main point being, SIE need to recognize that they still have something special with Helldivers 2, they have something with legacy IP that could expand to Helldivers 2 with cosmetics & weapons like Killzone, SOCOM, etc. Hell, Helldivers 2 could become their "platform" for other stuff like Killzone, SOCOM, Warhawk etc. content the way Fortnite has become a platform for Epic. And over time, SIE could bring back proper new entries of Killzone, SOCOM etc. whether as traditional games or GAAS. They shouldn't even go forward with Fairgame$ unless they can ensure it avoids all the problems Concord's had, which means the character designs need to be on point. No DaVeers, Bazzs or Daws allowed.
Otherwise? Just cancel that game too, and put Haven as another support studio on Helldivers 2. And maybe for future GAAS, steer away from the shooter market. It's saturated enough as-is.
HD2 is still a fairly popular game with a decently-sized player base on Steam and certainly PS5; at this point SIE need to stop cutting one GAAS's prospects for another that turns out to be DOA like Concord. They already have their potential long-term GAAS success in Helldivers 2; help Arrowhead get big content updates out, add PvP, add new mechanics and cosmetics. Concord isn't going to be salvageable, most likely, but Firewalk clearly have talent in creating assets and whatnot. So let them be a support studio on Helldivers 2 while Arrowhead commandeers creative and lore choices.
Yes the PSN situation with HD2 on PC is an issue but SIE just have to accept that missed their chance to tie PSN requirements to HD2 by removing the requirement at launch and months afterwards. Ghosts of Tsushima clearly shows Steam users don't have a problem with PSN if it's there from the get-go. The most they can hope with Helldivers 2 is incentivize PC players to opt-in for a PSN account via perks and whatnot.
My main point being, SIE need to recognize that they still have something special with Helldivers 2, they have something with legacy IP that could expand to Helldivers 2 with cosmetics & weapons like Killzone, SOCOM, etc. Hell, Helldivers 2 could become their "platform" for other stuff like Killzone, SOCOM, Warhawk etc. content the way Fortnite has become a platform for Epic. And over time, SIE could bring back proper new entries of Killzone, SOCOM etc. whether as traditional games or GAAS. They shouldn't even go forward with Fairgame$ unless they can ensure it avoids all the problems Concord's had, which means the character designs need to be on point. No DaVeers, Bazzs or Daws allowed.
Otherwise? Just cancel that game too, and put Haven as another support studio on Helldivers 2. And maybe for future GAAS, steer away from the shooter market. It's saturated enough as-is.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Doesn't matter, when it's exactly what you're doing.
All you guys do, is point out that nothing actually changed.
People whine no matter what.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
What makes you think I care about purple games selling or not?
Just pointing out that times werent that different.
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Btw you forgot Fortnite and COD amongst the purple games.
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ViciousAgenda
Member
Don't let them anywhere near Helldivers.
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
Apex Legends is also far more colorful, and diverse, than Titanfall 1 & 2 and it runs laps around those games in revenue and engagement. Concord just seems to have hit a critical nerve.
clarky
Gold Member
COD tastes the rainbow from time to time, but i'd hardly call it Woke. Can't comment on Fortnite as i've never played it but i thought that game was just cartoony and aimed at the kids?What makes you think I care about purple games selling or not?
Just pointing out that times werent that different.
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Btw you forgot Fortnite and COD amongst the purple games.
clarky
Gold Member
Aye, Apex also benefitted from being shadow dropped and also being an excellent game.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Maybe some people took too many Ls this gen and finally got a W.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I didnt even really took the comparison as something Woke-related, tbh.
Thought it was about the colors primarily.
Not sure what makes you guys think my stance on Woke is different from yours anyway?
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
PeteBull
Member
Didnt touch fortnite even once coz i dont like the genre, but spent solid few hours watching some top streamers just so i know how gameplay/highh lvl playing loop looks like, every1 knows cod so no need to mention it, concord was way more woke than both of them together afaik, with its pronouns/dei stuff, so fk it, let it die/burn hard ;DWhat makes you think I care about purple games selling or not?
Just pointing out that times werent that different.
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Btw you forgot Fortnite and COD amongst the purple games.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I can just see them “oh we loooove Helldivers 2 but modern audiences are diverse, we can really expand the appeal by cramming it full of Black Girl Magic and queerness”
6 months later: “why did Helldivers 2 die? Must be because of the CHUDS. Hey Hermen, got any other studios in need of our expertise?”
Killjoy-NL
Member
GHG
Gold Member
No if they are smart they would cut the cord and get rid of them.
They made this game thinking it would be something people wanted to play, why would you let them anywhere near things that are actually successful?
PeteBull
Member
Exactly, they will only poison good product with their rotten vision, not talking about programers here but definitely heads of the studio/ppl in power/ones who decided on how concord was gonna be- those guys cant be trusted with lemonade stand, coz after 2 seconds they will ask ppl for their pronouns, not to mention AAA game(100m+ usd project).
cybertailor
Member
personally I think the problem isn't woke values, but just the very cringe corp take on "woke" and what they think gen z will like. this game has just no style and is just such a clusterfuck of nothingness it's bizarre.
I explained it here (with updated information):
Keep in mind that not every MP game is considered GAAS, such as Destruction AllStars, Gran Turismo 7, Firewall Ultra and Convallaria.
Source? Last I checked, both the Guerrilla and NCSoft ones were still in development.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
We do like thick womminz, but they still need shape. Being a dwarf planet isn't the same thing.
Well yeah, a big reason Sony are pushing for GAAS is to be less reliant on 3P, but I think it might be shortsighted of them to think only GAAS can provide that independence from them. They have taken to GAAS because they are supposedly cheaper to make than AAA traditional games, and have more monetization options due to MTX.
But to me that's the easy way out. The preferred way would be to see how to keep investments prioritized to the bread-and-butter while cutting out excess costs. It's something Totoki talked about months ago, finding ways to reign in costs for AAA development without sacrificing on expectations. If the main costs for AAA games are things like content production, I dunno why SIE don't take studios like Firewalk and just put them on as support to other studios, specifically for making content and helping speed along programming & QA. Getting rid of consultancy groups like SBI would also help save money on production, potentially millions.
And then there's other things like making more AA traditional games; Astro Bot had a dev cycle of ~ 3 years and it's already looking to be a massive favorite and strong seller. I was always put off with the budget allocations between non-GAAS and GAAS that SIE shared at other fiscal meetings; some people want to say GAAS funding doesn't impact non-GAAS funding but that's pretending SIE's funding budgets are infinite. They aren't.
Well, for creative stuff no, keep Firewalk away from that kind of power. Especially if it comes to character designs, clearly. But assuming Arrowhead would have all creative control...I mean c'mon, Firewalk seem to know how to make stuff that's visually competent on a technical level. They can make something that runs well enough performance-wise.
They'd probably be a nice asset to have for assisting in technical performance where needed, and creating additional assets under Arrowhead's complete order/direction. It'd be the quickest way to have an in-house studio for content production, long as Arrowhead maintain creative control.
Because at this point, the importance of Helldivers 2 is going to become more and more felt to SIE for every failure like Concord.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
Halo, COD, and Gears… all still have sequels what you talking about?Not even close
Those shooters of old would hurt too many people's feelings now
PUBG, Warzone, Escape from Tarvok, Counter Strike, Rainbow Six Siege, Doom… all these games are still available and extremely popular.
AtomicStarving
Member
This game is little fun but you can tell the "competitive" aspect of it is null. Don't know how the final game is (since its a live service and can change over time) but the matches are way too short, especially on PC where you can slaugher people on console. Game feels good on MK/+144hz, the thing tho this game was made with casuals in mind, will have any incentive for competitive.
The big issue is "Why i'm I pay for this?", All they needed to do is a 8-10 hours campaign to "justify" the money, since the competitive market rn for this type of (free)fmp is big "free to play". Also, WHO da fuck care about stories told in a MP game? You boot up the game and just wanna play the mp, doesnt care about character stories and skip everything (wanna do shit? make some youtube cgi videos wth). I think that could change when you have an exclusive campaign, because the focus will be on the story/characters outside the mp.
Ofc, all you need to know: the game screens LGBT and woke style in pretty much every aspect... they keep trying. I found annoying every time you die your character keeps saying the same bs over and over again on the select screen - maybe that will change in the final game, idk.
At this point what can save this game, at least on console is the PVE/Coop that supposedly is coming later. Even tho, the chances for this to flop hard is pretty high, imo, considering the circumstances. Since this is live service, it can change ofc, but I don't think Sony will try that hard...
I don't recommend this on PC, especially when you need a fucking psn account: your username in-game is your psn > and if you want to change it > you need to pay (second time lol).
The big issue is "Why i'm I pay for this?", All they needed to do is a 8-10 hours campaign to "justify" the money, since the competitive market rn for this type of (free)fmp is big "free to play". Also, WHO da fuck care about stories told in a MP game? You boot up the game and just wanna play the mp, doesnt care about character stories and skip everything (wanna do shit? make some youtube cgi videos wth). I think that could change when you have an exclusive campaign, because the focus will be on the story/characters outside the mp.
Ofc, all you need to know: the game screens LGBT and woke style in pretty much every aspect... they keep trying. I found annoying every time you die your character keeps saying the same bs over and over again on the select screen - maybe that will change in the final game, idk.
At this point what can save this game, at least on console is the PVE/Coop that supposedly is coming later. Even tho, the chances for this to flop hard is pretty high, imo, considering the circumstances. Since this is live service, it can change ofc, but I don't think Sony will try that hard...
I don't recommend this on PC, especially when you need a fucking psn account: your username in-game is your psn > and if you want to change it > you need to pay (second time lol).
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Aenima
Member
Yeah, so now we got everething purple, unispired, rehashed trash.
Lucifers Beard
Member
People need to start manning the fuck up then, right?
Roufianos
Member
So I guess between this clusterfuck of a release and studio purchase, the stupid Budgie buy, TLOU cancellation, the likely equally as shit Fairgames, and the barren 1st party schedule - we're now seeing the rot that Jim Ryan brought.
People always defended him saying he got results, clearly not.
People always defended him saying he got results, clearly not.
clarky
Gold Member
I think the game is fantastic.
One mans turd is another mans treasure my friend, nothing wrong with that.
VanCityGamer
Member
It’s no coincidence that he left when he did.
Sony First Party is in a rough stretch.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
yet the guy who was in charge of Sony first party was promoted?
VanCityGamer
Member
Yup. Gonna be a backfire.
dreamstation
Member
Exactly. I think Apex, Fortnite, Overwatch and CoD/Warzone are trash but some people seem to enjoy them.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
PS5 is the most profitable generation ever for Sony.
"It's no coincidence Jim Ryan left when he left if we just cherry pick."
I don't see it.
Don't get me wrong, Concord is a mess in every sense of the word, but I don't get how ONE (1) bad game is enough to doom and gloom?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I won't be able to enjoy Astro Bot knowing Concord existed. Truly a blight on the pony mind
clarky
Gold Member
Think he means Sony's actual first party studio's. Which lets face it, most released stuff at the tail end of last gen or the start of this gen. With dev times the way they are big gaps are unavoidable.
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Which is such a BS complain when most of their big internal studios have already released new games this gen. You're missing what? Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Media Molecule (which most here couldn't give a single fuck about)?
clarky
Gold Member
For fear of repeating myself, most studios games seem to be a while away yet because they released stuff either at the tail end of last gen or early this gen. With dev times being much longer right now we are seeing less games from Sony than what we are used to.
I'm not complaining, just an observation. Nothing we can do about it.
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I was not talking about you, to be quite specific. If anything, your post pretty much sums it up for those complaining that we don't have any new Gran Turismo or God of War yet.
clarky
Gold Member
Doesn't help when their big fall game this year looks to be a dud.
Which one? They don't really have any *big* fall game this year (and that's nothing new for Sony).
clarky
Gold Member
Erm the one that took six years to make and your in the topic for it?