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[Physiognomonics]

People just constantly forget Cerny is a tech genious. He made Marble Madness, alone, at 18.

And PS5 Pro is the fifth console he designed. All his consoles, bar Vita because of memory card and support, were incredibly well designed and cheap to make for Sony, Vita was very well designed too. Cerny is a master at finding the sweat spot of price vs results. He is unmatched.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Wasn't this pretty much assumed ever since x360 anyway?

Possibly but they likely didn't need to pay for affinity during the 360 days

 

[YCoCg]

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[diffusionx]

I wonder if we will see a PS6 Pro. PSSR is going to be a core part of the next system and if it is good as it should be there will be less of a need for better GPU.

 

[March Climber]

Y YCoCg that gif could easily be used hourly on GAF.

 

[EN250]

Is he showing games that benefits from Pro power or it's the same flagship titles from Sony in which you have to zoom x40000 to see any difference at all?

 

[PandaOk]

It's not, you had 2x and 4x jumps in resolutions in games on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. You talk about perceived image quality thanks to PSSR ML reconstruction (while base res is the same in some games).

PS4 was never designed to look good on 4k tvs, it was released in 1080p era and looked perfectly fine on tvs like that, while PS5 was in 4K world from day one with 120hz 4K support (even with 8k sticker on the box).

Developers set targets to their games and we can have game with native 8k resolution (The Touryst) and 720p game running on the same hardware. Some developers just didn't care about "this console should look good on 4k tv" and released games that would look questionable even on 1080p tvs. Pro will fix this to some extend as long as native resolution isn't too low.

Yes because we perceive all image quality. It is exactly why DLSS is considered superior to FSR at the same internal resolutions.

I should have been clear. In that part I’m referring explicitly to things like visual features (RT being a prime example). Often the PS4 Pro struggled to offer much more than a simple resolution boost which was contextually locked to 4K displays.

Even then the jump from often sub 1080P to checkerboard rendering 4K wasn’t equivalent to the modern jump from not infrequent sub 1080P to PSSR 4K and the PS5 Pro still offers more feature-set advantages to push the improvements further still.

Your argument is blatantly self defeating and you know that. The fact you could only reply to the bolded shows as much. Just because there isn’t a new TV display standard (when the majority of consumers can’t perceive the difference between 4 and 8K) doesn’t mean there isn’t a need for more powerful hardware.

Especially when you’re saying ‘well the games on base systems with terrible IQ and performance just shouldn’t have been released in that state ’

Well they were and are Sherlock.

 

[Gaiff]

I wonder if we will see a PS6 Pro. PSSR is going to be a core part of the next system and if it is good as it should be there will be less of a need for better GPU.

So you wonder if devs won’t bring the PS6 to its knees with unoptimized games even with PSSR? What do you think?

 

[Nonehxc]

The disappointment on Alex’s face

Alex is dissappointed, alright...

But Richard 'Microsoft help me set up shop and uses my tools for their things' Leadbetter can't take that shit taste out of her mouth.

Still, money is money, and even if Sony isn't giving them shit and PRoneya, covering Xbox right now isn't a winning proposition if you want to eke out content to monetize, so no matter the taste, they will have to eat that shit.

 

[ozz ex machina]

Alex is dissappointed, alright...

But Richard 'Microsoft help me set up shop and uses my tools for their things' Leadbetter can't take that shit taste out of her mouth.

Comments like this are more insane than womens gossip magazines used to be. Jesus christ lol.

 

[StereoVsn]

what's wrong with that?

He, I use a 42” LG C3 OLED and it’s very good for gaming/media playback.

For productivity I would still recommend an IPS or maybe some of the newer OLED monitors with more advanced text rendering but even there LG isn’t too bad.

 

[diffusionx]

So you wonder if devs won’t bring the PS6 to its knees with unoptimized games even with PSSR? What do you think?

Well yes but that’s the point of pssr also ps6 will likely have a better version of it

 

[Deleted member 848825]

Less than 3 weeks...

 

[Zathalus]

Comments like this are more insane than womens gossip magazines used to be. Jesus christ lol.

People like him can never let go of the console war mentality, so DF is firmly in the "enemy" camp, no matter what they say.

 

[GHG]

The disappointment on Alex’s face

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

DF say something bad about Sony

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[XXL]

Exactly. Lol.

 

[Topher]

He, I use a 42” LG C3 OLED and it’s very good for gaming/media playback.

For productivity I would still recommend an IPS or maybe some of the newer OLED monitors with more advanced text rendering but even there LG isn’t too bad.

Definitely. I work entirely from home so my work space doubles as my gaming space. Currently I'm using my LG 55" for both work and gaming, but it would be more ideal if I had two IPS monitors rather than one 55" for work, but at least I'm getting more screen real estate so I make do.

I tried before to have two separate areas in my office for gaming and working, but that got so cumbersome with all the cables going every where that eventually I couldn't stand it and had to simplify. So far, I'm liking this better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Bojji]

Yes because we perceive all image quality. It is exactly why DLSS is considered superior to FSR at the same internal resolutions.

I should have been clear. In that part I’m referring explicitly to things like visual features (RT being a prime example). Often the PS4 Pro struggled to offer much more than a simple resolution boost which was contextually locked to 4K displays.

Even then the jump from often sub 1080P to check board rendering 4K wasn’t equivalent to the modern jump from not infrequent sub 1080P to PSSR 4K and the PS5 Pro still offers more feature-set advantages to push the improvements further still.

Your argument is blatantly self defeating and you know that. The fact you could only reply to the bolded shows as much.

Most PS5 Pro games will just change (whatever they are using) to PSSR and that's it, maybe with more stable framerate. PS4 Pro could look amazing on 4K tv, all depends on 4K CB implementation - look at God of War, Days Gone or HZD and tell me they look bad on 4K tv using 2016 hardware? There are also duds like RDR2...

Not to mention that on One X many games were native 4k or 1800p. 900p to native 1800p isn't a big jump?

Most games this gen have worse image quality than Xbox One X games...

So you wonder if devs won’t bring the PS6 to its knees with unoptimized games even with PSSR? What do you think?

Oh, they will! I even expect to see 720p games on Pro at some point. Developers always deliver...

 

[reinking]

It's Finger Lickin' Good.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's Finger Lickin' Good.

I can fix her. All over her PSSR

 

[GHG]

If I'm pissed I can be persuaded to do a lot of things for a couple of bits of KFC.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If I'm pissed I can be persuaded to do a lot of things for a couple of bits of KFC.

 

[Saber]

People just constantly forget Cerny is a tech genious. He made Marble Madness, alone, at 18.

And PS5 Pro is the fifth console he designed. All his consoles, bar Vita because of memory card and support, were incredibly well designed and cheap to make for Sony, Vita was very well designed too. Cerny is a master at finding the sweat spot of price vs results. He is unmatched.

I agree.
The moment he leaves, Sony is done for.

 

[Onironauta]

People just constantly forget Cerny is a tech genious. He made Marble Madness, alone, at 18.

And PS5 Pro is the fifth console he designed. All his consoles, bar Vita because of memory card and support, were incredibly well designed and cheap to make for Sony, Vita was very well designed too. Cerny is a master at finding the sweat spot of price vs results. He is unmatched.

I don't doubt Cerny's genius, but these consoles are designed as a combined effort of large teams

You guys talk like Cerny engineered every single detail lol

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Thief1987]

Aw, my purchase is justified. Now I can sleep peacefully

 

[Jinxed]

42'' monitor? For a computer?

Mine is a 65"...

it's great, wouldnt go back

 

[onQ123]

PS4 Pro was needed because PS4 looked bad on 4k tvs, that was the logic for this console to exist. There is nothing like that now and I think that's why there were surprised by the rumors (most of gaf was as well).

Looking at abysmal image quality of some games - of course better hardware was needed. But those games also shouldn't be released in state like that in the first place, no one at development studios should say "yeah FSR2 720p to 4k - looks great!".

This was dumb logic lol

Ain't no way people actually thought that higher resolution was the only reason to have a more powerful console.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I'm aware. It's the segment that has to do with John's experience with the Pro/PSSR. It has nothing to do with PC. Why should a discussion about the Pro include PC?

Pay attention better and you'll understand ...buggaga did nothing wrong and in fact gave advice i would wish the other DF members would offer: sometimes a little anger and is needed to get your voices heard by people. Notice jon and richard immediately jump on that and say "no that's not needed". I don't like Alex with his PCMR bs, but he's the only person on DF with some backbone.

 

[begotten]

I've had the PS5 Pro pre-ordered but have seriously considered cancelling it like 10 times because it just doesn't seem worth it, but as time has gone on it sounds much better than how Sony and Cerny ever sold it.

Can return to Alan Wake 2 and do all the DLC on it, replay Rebirth, SIlent Hill 2 and do Horizon ZD Remastered into Horizon FW start it's DLC. That's a lot for me given my current schedule, so PS5 Pro will be justified.

 

[recursive]

42'' monitor? For a computer?

I have a lg c2 42 inch for my pc. It is glorious.

 

[Putonahappyface]

I bought rebirth on Day one with the FF7 remake double pack just to have both digitally. I own FF7 intergrade physically (one of the last physical games I bought)

Never even played rebirth in anticipation for the Pro and am very glad I did. Jumping straight in in a few weeks. Looks great and GT7. Well worth it to me and get to gift a PS5 to my younger brother to spread the gaming karma.

The pop-in, in FF7 Rebirth looks equally as horrible on the PS5 as it does the PS5 Pro. I hope this can be fixed some how.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Alex’s PS hate is obvious its funny at this point

 

[mckmas8808]

Yall are insane with the Brittney love lol. What is it? Is it the nostalgia?

 

[ap_puff]

Nahh I got to see one last week on a plant tour

Did you get to play on it?

 

[jm89]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Did you get to play on it?

Didn't even get to see it run, not because I didn't beg mind you

 

[Physiognomonics]

I don't doubt Cerny's genius, but these consoles are designed as a combined effort of large teams

You guys talk like Cerny engineered every single detail lol

He is a console architect. But he can go down to the bit (binary) parts, compilers, debuggers if needed. He worked for months on PS4 X86 CPU, tools and debuggers before even having gotten the job of designing PS4 hardware. When he got into the room with Sony execs, he already had his whole plan on switching to X64 CPUs / tools and how to design the tools for that console. The first thing he did right was to start by designing tools. He got hired on the spot.

You guys are really underestimating what he does. He is the architect and knows everything about CPU, GPU, compilers, debuggers, SDKs. He designs new GPU features (some still exclusives and unknown) for his consoles (PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS5 Pro including PSVR1 and 2) while also doing it in an incredibly cheap package. He is a real and rare genius. Maybe at the same level of Elon Musk.

non first party developers are constantly praising Cerny's consoles / devkits and tools since PS4. Do you hear developers praising MS consoles or tools (LOL) since XB1?

Alex’s PS hate is obvious its funny at this point

He is so painfully transparent...

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

The only DF member worth watching. I'll remember to give this a watch over the weekend (hope John does more DF Retro stuff in the near future).

He is a console architect. But he can go down to the bit (binary) parts, compilers, debuggers if needed. He worked for months on PS4 X86 CPU, tools and debuggers before even having gotten the job of designing PS4 hardware. When he got into the room with Sony execs, he already had his whole plan on switching to X64 CPUs / tools and how to design the tools for that console. The first thing he did right was to start by designing tools. He got hired on the spot.

You guys are really underestimating what he does. He is the architect and knows everything about CPU, GPU, compilers, debuggers, SDKs. He designs new GPU features (some still exclusives and unknown) for his consoles (PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS5 Pro including PSVR1 and 2) while also doing it in an incredibly cheap package. He is a real and rare genius. Maybe at the same level of Elon Musk.

non first party developers are constantly praising Cerny's consoles / devkits and tools since PS4. Do you hear developers praising MS consoles or tools (LOL) since XB1?

He is so painfully transparent...

He is significantly above Musk IMHO. Just doesn't have the net worth of someone like him.

But that's a whole other conversation.

 

[yogaflame]

I agree.
The moment he leaves, Sony is done for.

No worries, the cell processor will be back. For me I love the technology of the cell processor, it was even banned to be exported due to its military capabilities.

 

[yogaflame]

I've had the PS5 Pro pre-ordered but have seriously considered cancelling it like 10 times because it just doesn't seem worth it, but as time has gone on it sounds much better than how Sony and Cerny ever sold it.

Can return to Alan Wake 2 and do all the DLC on it, replay Rebirth, SIlent Hill 2 and do Horizon ZD Remastered into Horizon FW start it's DLC. That's a lot for me given my current schedule, so PS5 Pro will be justified.

By 1 - 2 years it will be worth it especially with PSSR ML capabilities continue to evolve. You might not even need to transition to Ps6 so early.

 

[Brock2621]

Sitting at a bar sipping bourbon… tag me in a TLDR?

 

[Kangx]

- Alex Battaglia agrees PS5 Pro would provide the best place to play games with PC ports suffering from stuttering issues, "But it is expensive".

Goes on to say, about those PC ports: It would be great if there was more audience anger.

And in response to John saying: "We don't need more anger today, Alex", he adds: Consumers could make it really well known that is not acceptable to release PC games the way that they are released.

Darksiders 2 Deathinitive Edition's Gen9 PC update makes it worse - OC3D

Darksiders 2 Deathinitive Edition's new Gen9 PC beta update adds Shader Compilation Stutters to the game. Yes, it's worse now...

overclock3d.net

Perfect timing?

 

[StereoVsn]

Definitely. I work entirely from home so my work space doubles as my gaming space. Currently I'm using my LG 55" for both work and gaming, but it would be more ideal if I had two IPS monitors rather than one 55" for work, but at least I'm getting more screen real estate so I make do.

I tried before to have two separate areas in my office for gaming and working, but that got so cumbersome with all the cables going every where that eventually I couldn't stand it and had to simplify. So far, I'm liking this better.

I do have a separate LG 34” UW (monitor before I got the OLED) and random 27” IPS monitor hooked up to a dock. 34” is also connected to my main gaming PC so I switch inputs when needed.

 

[Onironauta]

He is a console architect. But he can go down to the bit (binary) parts, compilers, debuggers if needed. He worked for months on PS4 X86 CPU, tools and debuggers before even having gotten the job of designing PS4 hardware. When he got into the room with Sony execs, he already had his whole plan on switching to X64 CPUs / tools and how to design the tools for that console. The first thing he did right was to start by designing tools. He got hired on the spot.

You guys are really underestimating what he does. He is the architect and knows everything about CPU, GPU, compilers, debuggers, SDKs. He designs new GPU features (some still exclusives and unknown) for his consoles (PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS5 Pro including PSVR1 and 2) while also doing it in an incredibly cheap package. He is a real and rare genius. Maybe at the same level of Elon Musk.

non first party developers are constantly praising Cerny's consoles / devkits and tools since PS4. Do you hear developers praising MS consoles or tools (LOL) since XB1?

He is so painfully transparent...

I was almost agreeing with you, then you lost me when you mentioned Musk.

I agree that Cerny is incredibly knowledgeable and talented, but he's a single person. As an architect he's bound to oversee and combine the contributions of many different specialists.

 

[ReyBrujo]

what's wrong with that?

I have a lg c2 42 inch for my pc. It is glorious.

You need to move your head from one side to another to do anything unless you sit a meter away from the desktop. Not productive at all. As a programmer a 32 widescreen is about the maximum which you can cover without having to turn your head from one side to another. I understand it for gaming but for coding, editing or doing anything else sounds overkill.

 

[lh032]

42'' monitor? For a computer?

Nothing wrong with it especially when you have a two monitor setup .

The larger monitor should place further away.

Think of it like an L shape setup , works for me

 

[Radical_3d]

Do we have to discuss the same thing when the weekly show releases and when the clip for the weekly show pop up as well? I mean DF is a small business and any clout is good for them but I doubt they are getting a fan base from here.