oldergamer
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Pretty sure i called this months back. Its a patented ms developed feature.
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Digital Foundry claims PS5 doesn't exhibit any evidence of VRS(Variable Rate Shading) from PS5 showcase.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Me 2, I even rock a brick GB, fun doesn’t need TF.
Heavy_D206
Member
I can't blame them since they don't have any amazing games to talk about.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
That's fucking gross as all get out.No, it should be like this or it's not next gen.
oldergamer
Member
Sure bud? Sounds more like you are misinterpreting info
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Github was already confirmed to be old data
Where is confirmation that VRS will not be included?
is confirmed from the first official ps5 teardown video that the soc have the same internal code amd used for Oberon (github leak). now (today) is confirmed by ms that the xbox is the only full rdna2 console.
by the size of the ps5 and the high (but variable ) and unusual (for a console) clock...by the number of the cu's ...well....honestly at this point It is very easy to conclude that the ps5 is probably the leak console then clocked higher
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LucidFlux
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It said it was RDNA 1. PS5 is confirmed to be RNDA 2.
The Github leak said 2000GHz, but its 2.23Ghz
Oberon has gone through revisions.
The leak was old.
Concern
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Ftfy
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Only difference is desktop features being removed or features that are not needed on console.
Makes no difference in this discussion.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
So there is no visual evidence of VRS (i.e. compression artifacts) and also has shown games that are setting a visual benchmark for next gen, all in a way that is impossible for DF to tell if it is native 4K or not. Something tells me that Sony is doing something right with their customisations of RDNA2.
in fact as cerny said ..they was testing 2ghz but they could not sustain them constantly .....the soc is basically that one clocked high adding the variable clock part ....sony confirmed is BASED on rdna 2 ....today amd presented the architecture and only talked about xbox...and then ms said officially that is the only FULL rdna 2 next gen console.
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Jon Neu
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As the italian developer of the PS5 said, it's not full RDNA 2.
MS today just confirmed it.
ANIMAL1975
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Ms confirmed PS5 is not full RDNA2? Well there it is folks, wrap it up.
squidilix
Member
PS5 is not RDNA2 but Series S cannot do RT on DMC5, sure...
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Didn’t Cerny say that they discarded RDNA2 features that are useless for consoles? So, what are you concerned about?
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Deleted member 801069
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Sony can’t catch a break
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Do you realize that what Mark Cerny said confirms it was OLD?
This was after he talked about the benefits of AMD Smartshift.
Yes, they talked about Xbox because it shares a lot of features on their desktop GPU.
AMD is confirmed that PS5 is RDNA 2.
I don't know why you guys try so hard to ignore facts.
They are reading the official statement.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
poor Sony, I don't think you have to worry about them, I've heard they have this crazy thing that a few people like with a console called games.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Erm, you quoted me, but the quote wasn't something I said? It was DForce's comment.
And didn't MS say they waited until all RDNA2 features were completed before finalizing their GPU? If that's the case Sony couldn't have omitted/included them because they finalized their hardware earlier.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
They're reading an official statement where it says PS5 will not have VRS?
it only confirm that they added the variable part to the oberon (github) soc. I mean doesn't that frequency sound strange to you? the amd code on the soc? the size of the console? and that at today's presentation amd spoke only of ms? Ms would not say / or post that is the ONLY full rdna2 next gen console if it wasn't (lots of legal stuff would happen ). cerny after all, must also sell the console. and everything scream at the github now
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
IT says RDNA 1.
PS5 is not RDNA 1.
Why is this so difficult to understand.
It was not added on top. PS5 is RDNA 2.
Krisprolls
Banned
You don't understand all this technical mumbo jumbo, focus on games and features.
If one console doesn't have VRS, it means they chose another similar custom solution, not that it will imply a meaningful performance difference.
The difference between both platforms will be negligible, as Ubi choices on PS5/XSX games already show : basically reconstructed 4K / 60 fps everywhere (or nearly every game) and on both platforms the same.
If every Ubi game runs the same on both platforms as it seems, it will be the same for every multiplatform games.
If one console doesn't have VRS, it means they chose another similar custom solution, not that it will imply a meaningful performance difference.
The difference between both platforms will be negligible, as Ubi choices on PS5/XSX games already show : basically reconstructed 4K / 60 fps everywhere (or nearly every game) and on both platforms the same.
If every Ubi game runs the same on both platforms as it seems, it will be the same for every multiplatform games.
ps5 is not full rdna 2 either is not hard to understand.
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DForce
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It doesn't need to if those missing features are only from MS.
You can't even answer the question because you know you're going based off of assumptions and false info.
in fact we have to wait for df comparation but as right now it dosnt sound promising
what false info? sorry you seem triggered and I did not want this
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I just asked you if PS5 is RDNA 1 and you didn't answer.
I also asked you if features such as VRS wasn't confirmed.
I think you don't like the fact that I'm asking you for evidence to prove your claim.
Snake29
Banned
That means that Sony didn't need all features for their console, so they didn't have to wait for the all RDNA2 features.
If both have access to this architecture, then both know what they can implement and what they can ditch.
The Leaked Truths
Banned
Right, the XBox Series X doesn't have any games for the next 7 years and therefore the whole next generation!
What a stupid argument! Why are PlayStation Fanboys always saying that Microsoft will not have any games everytime they find out that their favorite Toy has less features or is less powerful than an XBox Series X?
And this is no Console Warrior stuff, these are facts, the XBox Series X is the superior product in every way besides the SSD especially at the same price. And that does not mean that XBox Series X has long loading times because of the Velocity Architecture either!
BTW, I thought Microsoft bought Bethesda?
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Deleted member 801069
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Must have been preloaded in there. Sorry about that.
The statement suggests it is missing features and it is official. You will understand why they aren't paying attention to you.
You seem to be in full console warrior mode. The vrs thing has been a while coming with the Sony engineer having a tantrum on twitter about it early on. Not hard to see why people would suspect it first thing.
The Leaked Truths
Banned
If you are a PlayStation Fanboy than it doesn't matter.
If you are an XBox Fanboy than it does matter.
You can thank me later
AMD's logo is on that tweet too. Are they co-signing?
It is not and it is not rdna 2 ...as the ps5 graphic engineer said is a mix of both
geordiemp
Member
Ps5 uses its own Geometry engine not mesh shading. This has been know for months, as has VRS.
Fidelity FX (VRS is part)
Some reference users (Guerilla)
Wrap it up, VRS is common, it was in RDNA1 but did not work correctly.
But keep going, amusing.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
"Suggests"
Now it's "suggests".
So it doesn't say it and you just decided to put your own spin on things.
SFS and DirectStroage are RDNA 2 desktop features
Sony has custom I/O and don't use sample feedback or DirectStorage. Sony also doesn't use DirectX RT. They have their own RayTracing.
Those are 3 features that are not in the PlayStation 5 that are part of RDNA 2.
Nothing we have seen so far says VRS is one of the missing features.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
One use is it gives more options for dynamic frame rate enhancers.
So like instead of lowering the whole resolution to keep 60fps you could just drop the res of very distant objects.
or like do you need to render objects at full res if they are going to blurred by a dof filter?
will also help with XsS versions of games.
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geometry engine is not the same thing ..it replaces what should be rdna2's mesh shaders. also the RT will be different .. the sp5 has the intersection engine a different solution from rdna2. it remains to understand the vrs .. and above all the ml(which unfortunately seems to have no hw about it)Ps5 uses its own Geometry engine not mesh shading. This has been know for months, as has VRS.
Fidelity FX (VRS is part)
Some reference users (Guerilla)
Wrap it up, VRS is common, it was in RDNA1 but did not work correctly.
But keep going, amusing.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Data has also shown that XsX is using parts from RDNA 2, so the same can be said about both consoles.
So cerny and AMD lied about RDNA 2 and MS is lying about full RDNA 2 then.
geordiemp
Member
Mesh shaders I agree, rest is unlikely both with use same BVH RT function.
Cu wll be different with all the frequency gating and stuff for fast clocks and the CU layout.