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[MonarchJT]

Data has also shown that XsX is using parts from RDNA 2, so the same can be said about both consoles.

So cerny and AMD lied about RDNA 2 and MS is lying about full RDNA 2 then.

wut? here you voluntarily want to be pretentious everything that is in the rdna 2 in the xsx less the infinity cache ...but they added the ML hw on it instead. So much that at the new architecture show amd only talks about the Xbox.

 

[Clear]

And this is no Console Warrior stuff, these are facts, the XBox Series X is the superior product in every way besides the SSD especially at the same price. And that does not mean that XBox Series X has long loading times because of the Velocity Architecture either!

You have absolutely nothing to back that statement up with apart from a handful of SoC metrics. So yeah, you are console warring.
Who are you trying to convince that you are not?

 

[DForce]

wut? here you voluntarily want to be pretentious everything that is in the rdna 2 in the xsx less the infinity cache ...but they added the ML hw on it instead. So much that at the new architecture show amd only talks about the Xbox.

 

[danielJackson]

in fact as cerny said ..they was testing 2ghz but they could not sustain them constantly .....the soc is basically that one clocked high adding the variable clock part ....sony confirmed is BASED on rdna 2 ....today amd presented the architecture and only talked about xbox...and then ms said officially that is the only FULL rdna 2 next gen console.

ps5 is not full rdna 2 either is not hard to understand.

So why it is so hard to understand that:

Full rdna2 != Best solution for console and/or Sony?

(!= Means "not equal", I assume you dont understand computer world that well because of this "full == must be best" argument, so I nerdsplain it)

Lets play with the concept:

Xbox full rdna2 desktop

PS5 not full rdna2 desktop


Now does this tell which is better for a console?

Yes, no, maybe?

And explain to us why, and as good as you can, please

 

[MonarchJT]

and this should be an official statement? this is straight false ...xsx cu's execute 7 operation per clock as in rdna2 (rdna1 would do less)

 

[DForce]

and this should be an official statement? this is straight false ...xsx cu's execute 7 operation per clock as in rdna2 (rdna1 would do less)

That's funny how official statements matter unless it applies to Sony.

AMD and Sony already confirmed RDNA 2 and you said it's not.

This info comes from some who has leaked AMD info before, but now you want to discredit it.


Funny how you want to move goalpost.

 

[The Leaked Truths]

You have absolutely nothing to back that statement up with apart from a handful of SoC metrics. So yeah, you are console warring.
Who are you trying to convince that you are not?

Really?

Educate yourself: Specs Chart from IGN.

Numbers don't lie!!!

Edit: The XBox Series X is the better and more advanced console in every technical aspect besides the SSD.

 

[MonarchJT]

So why it is so hard to understand that:

Full rdna2 != Best solution for console and/or Sony?

(!= Means "not equal", I assume you dont understand computer world that well because of this "full == must be best" argument, so I nerdsplain it)

Lets play with the concept:

Xbox full rdna2 desktop

PS5 not full rdna2 desktop


Now does this tell which is better for a console?

Yes, no, maybe?

And explain to us why, and as good as you can, please

I never said anything about being better or not. I simply said that everything seen and heard so far on the ps5 brings us back to the GitHub leak. from the dimension .. until today with the revelation on not being full rdna2. On the performances we will have to wait for the usual face-offs made by Digital Foundry

 

[MonarchJT]

That's funny how official statements matter unless it applies to Sony.

AMD and Sony already confirmed RDNA 2 and you said it's not.

This info comes from some who has leaked AMD info before, but now you want to discredit it.


Funny how you want to move goalpost.

the devil is in the details. they never said it was full rdna2.
Rosario Leonardi: “I know you are curious, but I am legally bound and I cannot say anything that has not been made public. As you probably know, the architecture of PS5 is a middle ground between RDNA1 and RDNA2, with unique characteristics. Even PlayStation 4 Pro was a sort of hybrid between GCN2 and 4 ".

 

[The Leaked Truths]

Sorry

 

[Infamy v1]

Nothing has changed. Xbox fans misinterpreting information as usual.

Nothing has changed. Sony fanboys spinning and moving goalposts as usual.

 

[DForce]

the devil is in the details. they never said it was full rdna2.
Rosario Leonardi: “I know you are curious, but I am legally bound and I cannot say anything that has not been made public. As you probably know, the architecture of PS5 is a middle ground between RDNA1 and RDNA2, with unique characteristics. Even PlayStation 4 Pro was a sort of hybrid between GCN2 and 4 ".

It is.

If you were following for at least a few months, then you would now that RDNA 1, 2, 3 and 4 are mere marketing terms. Technically, nothing is "full" since features are shared among architecture. PS5 Pro and XB1X used features that were in future desktop GPUs.

You also fail to quote everything.

"For example, support for ray tracing is not present in any AMD GPU currently on the market. (...) The PlayStation 5 GPU is unique, it is not classifiable as RDNA 1, 2, 3 or 4."

"It is based on RDNA 2, but it has more features and, I think, one less. That message came out badly, I was tired and I shouldn't have written the things I wrote,"

 

[ClosBSAS]

d

Who cares about vrs. It blurs the graphics and detail.

It's just one of Alex Bagtalia obsession over nothing.

You don't miss the forest for the tress.

ayum, them sony fanboys jumping already. less space, less teraflops, no vrs, what else man?

 

[DForce]

Nothing has changed. Sony fanboys spinning and moving goalposts as usual.

I'm sure Sony fans are spinning AMD and Cerny confirming RDNA 2 while Xbox fans are still calling it RDNA 1.

 

[Clear]

Really?

Educate yourself: Specs Chart from IGN.

Numbers don't lie!!!

Numbers don't lie, but that's not to say you are interpreting their meaning accurately. Especially when there's a whole lot more to performance than a set of common metrics. Honestly, the one who needs educating is you. Its very apparent that you are just spoiling for a fight, not that you have anything insightful to offer to the discussion.

 

[danielJackson]

Right, the XBox Series X doesn't have any games for the next 7 years and therefore the whole next generation!

What a stupid argument! Why are PlayStation Fanboys always saying that Microsoft will not have any games everytime they find out that their favorite Toy has less features or is less powerful than an XBox Series X?

And this is no Console Warrior stuff, these are facts, the XBox Series X is the superior product in every way besides the SSD especially at the same price. And that does not mean that XBox Series X has long loading times because of the Velocity Architecture either!

BTW, I thought Microsoft bought Bethesda?

People say it because:

Xbox doesnt have any* games?

Lets look at current gen:

Xbox havent offered that many great exclusives. I hate gears(fucking boring macho cover shooters), forza isnt my thing, halo is meh(not fan of fps games usually), fable could be ok but did they even make new one? Quantum break would be cool I guess. (And these arent even real exclusives if they are on PC too, if I would own gaming PC)

Based on this:
Next gen xbox have no games, if same continues.*

After bethesda:
Fallout is ok, but still one game. Maybe some more interesting games in distant future are xbox exclusives?


If PS5 would be 10x more powerful, please explain how this would change how I dont see any great exclusives on xbox?

How would PS5 being stronger now make me not to say "xbox doesnt have interesting games"? How that makes sense to you?

Either you can explain it logically, or you did just pull consolewarring out from somewhere.

Like, how the heck console being weaker or stronger would change personal preferences? That is weird to be honest. Maybe some people work like that(have to have approved somehow by masses) but dont assume others think like that too

I bet you just cant comprehend the idea that people honestly dont like xbox exclusives, so you find excuses to go around it, right?

And calling either superior is just lame, both have good specs for next gen, PS5 is much more next-gen in features(controller,ssd+i/o, only one system, no dragging slow systems along, highly engineered 3D audio) and xbox have little faster cpu+gpu+some of ram, and xbox also have much slower gpu on S.

*Games that interest person that plays those games, dont read it literally "no games"

 

[PerfectDark]

As someone who buys every console. Xbox has better hardware and playstation has better exclusives. I liked both controllers the same but I am more excited for the new ps5 controller.

 

[Bojanglez]

Right, the XBox Series X doesn't have any games for the next 7 years and therefore the whole next generation!

What a stupid argument! Why are PlayStation Fanboys always saying that Microsoft will not have any games everytime they find out that their favorite Toy has less features or is less powerful than an XBox Series X?

And this is no Console Warrior stuff, these are facts, the XBox Series X is the superior product in every way besides the SSD especially at the same price. And that does not mean that XBox Series X has long loading times because of the Velocity Architecture either!

BTW, I thought Microsoft bought Bethesda?

I didn't say they will not. I said they don't, as in right now.

I'm sure they'll get there, but TFs don't take sell consoles the way games do.

I've got an XSX coming on launch day, it's going to be a great piece of hardware, but I'm most excited by the back compat stuff, I'm yet to see anything new that wows me.

 

[The Leaked Truths]

Numbers don't lie, but that's not to say you are interpreting their meaning accurately. Especially when there's a whole lot more to performance than a set of common metrics. Honestly, the one who needs educating is you. Its very apparent that you are just spoiling for a fight, not that you have anything insightful to offer to the discussion.

The only thing that is very apparent is that you are not able to accept the Truth!

 

[MonarchJT]

It is.

If you were following for at least a few months, then you would now that RDNA 1, 2, 3 and 4 are mere marketing terms. Technically, nothing is "full" since features are shared among architecture. PS5 Pro and XB1X used features that were in future desktop GPUs.

You also fail to quote everything.

there is another place where one of the digital foundry guys said what they think about it. I'm sure you understand which place I'm talking about. Go read freely.

 

[ReBurn]

I can't wait until the consoles release and we actually see some real analysis and not whatever is happening in this thread.

 

[DForce]

there is another place where one of the digital foundry guys said what they think about it. I'm sure you understand which place I'm talking about. Go read freely.

You really don't have much to say. All of your attempts have failed so far.

I guess this debate is done.

 

[Dodkrake]

and this should be an official statement? this is straight false ...xsx cu's execute 7 operation per clock as in rdna2 (rdna1 would do less)

This is a person that has leaked AMD stuff multiple times, including the CU counts for the Graphics cards announced today.

 

[iHaunter]

Isn't VRS part of Direct X? How can it even work on AMD? I could be mistaken.

 

[thismeinteil]

In the end, this isn't going to matter. MS is basically just taking what AMD is handing out as the RDNA 2 standard, while Sony took the RDNA 2 base (yes, it's still RDNA 2, fanboys) and used their own custom versions of certain tech. We'll have to wait and see which is better, but more than likely, they will have near identical results.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

And didn't MS say they waited until all RDNA2 features were completed before finalizing their GPU? If that's the case Sony couldn't have omitted/included them because they finalized their hardware earlier.

Sony worked on RDNA 2 with AMD so they would know what features were coming.

 

[MonarchJT]

This is a person that has leaked AMD stuff multiple times, including the CU counts for the Graphics cards announced today.

well ...it is just wrong from the official hot chips ms slide....xsx execute 7 op/clk as rdna2 not 5 as in rdna1..that tweet is false/wrong

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

and this should be an official statement? this is straight false ...xsx cu's execute 7 operation per clock as in rdna2 (rdna1 would do less)

during the tweet exchange about rdna1 or rdna2, it was brought up that rdna1 does 7 instructions per clock too.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

ps5 is not full rdna 2 either is not hard to understand.

Clever, you edited and deleted the 9TF fud from your post. My friend, the PS5 customized CPU has an hardware block to control the variable frequencies... Do you think that unique hardware design implementations like that (and the variable frequency based on power usage, it's not smart shift) are the consequences of last minute, or even mid process changes to the PS5 development?

AMD's logo is on that tweet too. Are they co-signing?

Lol twitter, mate that doesn't mean shit. Because Ms choose to put all the features of the RDNA2 road map on its gpu and Sony did not, that doesn't mean that PS5 is not full RDNA2... They are both the same new AMD architecture, the same new base/silicone, that's what being RDNA2 is all about!
...and then, as home consoles that they are (closed sistems with proprietary architectures), comes the customizations and the differences, the add-ons and the dropped features.

Ps5 uses its own Geometry engine not mesh shading. This has been know for months, as has VRS.

Fidelity FX (VRS is part)

Some reference users (Guerilla)

Wrap it up, VRS is common, it was in RDNA1 but did not work correctly.

But keep going, amusing.

Mate i think your sarcasmeeter is rip in peace.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Does this matter? Someone tell me what to think.

Nah, cause honestly, it's about the games. People like to bullshit and say it's about the games, but really a lot of people really only care about the "bullet points" for their fanboy wars. It's all really an attempt to make themselves feel better. I personally don't care if one was RDNA 1 and other was RDNA 15. What the games look like? "ohhh... but it doesn't have this or that" I personally think it makes fanboys heads, and butts, hurt that there isn't a major difference. It's currently blowing their minds. That's why you hear statements like "just wait till the comparisons come out" sure, the paused, zoomed in comparisons.

That's what happens when you lose focus on what video games is really about... the games.

 

[Dodkrake]

well ...it is just wrong from the official hot chips ms slide....xsx execute 7 op/clk as rdna2 not 5 as in rdna1..that tweet is false/wrong

Enjoy the read

 

[MonarchJT]

Clever, you edited and deleted the 9TF fud from your post. My friend, the PS5 customized CPU has an hardware block to control the variable frequencies... Do you think that unique hardware design implementations like that (and the variable frequency based on power usage, it's not smart shift) are the consequences of last minute, or even mid process changes to the PS5 development?

Lol twitter, mate that doesn't mean shit. Because Ms choose to put all the features of the RDNA2 road map on its gpu and Sony did not, that doesn't mean that PS5 is not full RDNA2... They are both the same new AMD architecture, the same new base/silicone, that's what being RDNA2 is all about!
...and then, as home consoles that they are (closed sistems with proprietary architectures), comes the customizations and the differences, the add-ons and the dropped features.

Mate i think your sarcasmeeter is rip in peace.

yes I think firmly that the variable part is absolutely reactionary. it is my personal opinion

 

[Dodkrake]

yes I think firmly that the variable part is absolutely reactionary. it is my personal opinion

And by this comment you've shown you know shit about hardware (and software, funny enough) engineering.

 

[ReBurn]

Nah, cause honestly, it's about the games. People like to bullshit and say it's about the games, but really a lot of people really only care about the "bullet points" for their fanboy wars. It's all really an attempt to make themselves feel better. I personally don't care if one was RDNA 1 and other was RDNA 15. What the games look like? "ohhh... but it doesn't have this or that" That's what happens when you lose focus on what video games is really about... the games.

I agree. From what I've seen PS5 games are looking great. People are going to enjoy them. That's what matters.

It's easy to see which people would rather play specs than play games.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I agree. From what I've seen PS5 games are looking great. People are going to enjoy them. That's what matters.

It's easy to see which people would rather play specs than play games.

Fanboys are angry that there isn't a bigger difference, or any right now. They see the specs, they see this, they read that, and then they see the games... and it's driving them crazy.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

And by this comment you've shown you know shit about hardware (and software, funny enough) engineering.

I'm always amazed at how little people think of jobs/skills they know nothing about. Like "oh just re-engineer" it, easy right" I'm just not sure if they're just completely oblivious to how hard a job/task or if they're just so consumed by the console wars.

 

[Infamy v1]

I'm sure Sony fans are spinning AMD and Cerny confirming RDNA 2 while Xbox fans are still calling it RDNA 1.

Pathetic attempt at a strawman. Sony fans have been throwing pitchforks for months all the way until yesterday at the notion that PS5 isnt full RDNA2, even sending death threats at the Sony engineer who said as much which is pathetic as hell.

Now the narrative has shifted once again to "wE kNeW tHiS aLrEaDy hUrRdUrR cUsToM rDNA"

It's not RDNA1 but the fact is Xbox has full RDNA2 and PS5 doesn't. It's just facts.

 

[geordiemp]

Pathetic attempt at a strawman. Sony fans have been throwing pitchforks for months all the way until yesterday at the notion that PS5 isnt full RDNA2, even sending death threats at the Sony engineer who said as much which is pathetic as hell.

Now the narrative has shifted once again to "wE kNeW tHiS aLrEaDy hUrRdUrR cUsToM rDNA"

It's not RDNA1 but the fact is Xbox has full RDNA2 and PS5 doesn't. It's just facts.

Both are RDNA2 and less than PC as no infinity cache

XSX will have mesh shaders Ps5 will use its own custom design that does mesh primatives and procedural generation, very similar but more extension of ps4 so easier for coding (from ps4) is my take.

Ps5 will have frequency control gating per CU for high Ghz performance

So both are RDNA 1.75 as infinity cache is a big uplift consoles could not afford 100mm2 die space, its huge.

 

[DForce]

Pathetic attempt at a strawman. Sony fans have been throwing pitchforks for months all the way until yesterday at the notion that PS5 isnt full RDNA2, even sending death threats at the Sony engineer who said as much which is pathetic as hell.

Now the narrative has shifted once again to "wE kNeW tHiS aLrEaDy hUrRdUrR cUsToM rDNA"

It's not RDNA1 but the fact is Xbox has full RDNA2 and PS5 doesn't. It's just facts.

You shouldn't talk about Sony fans if you're lying in your post and refuse to accept accurate information.

Fact is, PS5 doesn't need RDNA 2 desktop features. This was stated months ago among forum members that Sony would use features that were necessary for their console and remove one that they didn't need.

It's RDNA 2, period.

 

[Old Empire.]

Ms confirmed PS5 is not full RDNA2? Well there it is folks, wrap it up.

Yep, pretty much unless they're a Xbox statement to fix it soon. MS claiming their console hardware only supports the full RDNA 2 set of capabilities.

Sony would not accept the MS statement if it was a lie, lawyers be called in. Sony hardware not designed for full RDNA2, MS not holding back with the console war!

 

[Edgelord79]

I'm still confused. Does the PS5 have RDNA2 or not?

Depending on what I read online it does or doesn't. Why is this so hard to answer?

 

[Andodalf]

I'm still confused. Does the PS5 have RDNA2 or not?

Depending on what I read online it does or doesn't. Why is this so hard to answer?

Yes

 

[Infamy v1]

Both are RDNA2 and less than PC as no infinity cache

XSX will have mesh shaders Ps5 will use its own custom design that does mesh primatives and procedural generation, very similar but more extension of ps4 so easier for coding (from ps4) is my take.

Ps5 will have frequency control gating per CU for high Ghz performance

So both are RDNA 1.75 as infinity cache is a big uplift consoles could not afford 100mm2 die space, its huge.

You got laughed off the forum earlier with all the backfiring and backpedaling and now you're coming in here talking about RDNA 1.75 lmfao.

It's RDNA 2, period.

You can see the desperation here. I literally say it's not full RDNA2 and explain the hypocrisy of people like you in the months/days prior to this and you come st me with "bu-bu-but its RDNA2."

Theres hundreds of back and forths in previous topics about just that. One full RDNA2 and one missing features therefore not. Stop trying to spin shit.

 

[geordiemp]

You got laughed off the forum earlier with all the backfiring and backpedaling and now you're coming in here talking about RDNA 1.75 lmfao.

Glad you liked my humour /s

Laughted off forum, holy hyperbole batman.

I was cooking dinner lol, but whatever floats your boat.

Nothing was learnt new today other than 128 MB and per CU frequency gating. But whatever.

 

[DForce]

You got laughed off the forum earlier with all the backfiring and backpedaling and now you're coming in here talking about RDNA 1.75 lmfao.



You can see the desperation here. I literally say it's not full RDNA2 and explain the hypocrisy of people like you in the months/days prior to this and you come st me with "bu-bu-but its RDNA2."

Theres hundreds of back and forths in previous topics about just that. One full RDNA2 and one missing features therefore not. Stop trying to spin shit.

You said Github, rumors and DF redeemed.

Github said RDNA 1.

IT's not RDNA 1, it's RDNA 2.


Removing features they don't need doesn't make any difference.

Stop trying to spin things.

 

[AgentP]

I'm still trying to figure out this thread. Leadbetter, Mr. Xbox, watched some YouTube PS5 videos and didn't see evidence for a feature that isn't visible? Not only that, it was one throw away sentence of out a 17 paragraph article and it became a thread with 22 pages?

 

[Edgelord79]

Yes

So from my limited understanding there are 3 possibilities here:

1) It wasn't enabled at the time of testing by DF for whatever reason.

2) The game they played didn't utilize it.

3) Digital Foundry is mistaken in it's analysis.

Does this seem right?

 

[LeftThumbstick]

poor Sony, I don't think you have to worry about them, I've heard they have this crazy thing that a few people like with a console called games.

and then

Xbox Game Pass Games Library | Xbox

Explore the Game Pass library and play hundreds of games.

www.xbox.com

You're hardly a "gamer" or person who enjoys games if you think that because a new console releases that all the hundreds above suddenly cease to matter anymore.

 

[Infamy v1]

You said Github, rumors and DF redeemed.

Github said RDNA 1.

IT's not RDNA 1, it's RDNA 2.


Removing features they don't need doesn't make any difference.

Stop trying to spin things.

Oh, you're going down that path now, huh? Nothing else to say? Makes sense.

So you're going to ignore how GitHub got practically everything else right on the money? Not bad for a random old rumor, right?

Stop trying to cherry-pick.

 

[JLB]

Oh, you're going down that path now, huh? Nothing else to say? Makes sense.

So you're going to ignore how GitHub got practically everything else right on the money? Not bad for a random old rumor, right?

Stop trying to cherry-pick.

github, cherry pick.... just cant stop seeing code everywhere. Maybe Im just becoming crazy