Mister Wolf
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EA CEO implies Dragon Age Veilguard failed due to not being a live service
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Cyberpunkd
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But DA2 and Inquisition were not great games. It looks like since ME1 Bioware is kinda stuck in the same framework of game design.
I disagee about DA2. It suffered from it's short development time (most obvious in the reuse of environments) but in terms of what matterred to me (story, character writing, combat) it was very solid .Regarding Inquisition I agree. It was mediocre. Especially after Witcher 3 came out a few months later, everyone could see that.
This being said, once I'm invested in a franchise, especially if it's a huge ficitonal world with rich lore, I give a game some leniency and still play it even if it's mediocre. So if Veilguard was just that, I would have bought it. But this game was so obviously pushing a political agenda, that even if I could somehow ignore it within the game, there would still always be the knowledge that I supported the people pushing this agenda with my money.
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NickFire
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It’s amazing how these companies ignore the elephant in the room and the boards don’t completely replace the corporate officers after these flops. Are the people at top just so rich they’d rather keep burning good will and drive into a brick wall instead of admitting their mistake? Or are they just too ingrained in this “modern audience religion”?
Felessan
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Genshin do exist, you know and it (and other gacha games) occupied a big chunk of this genre
What difference between Dragon Age and TES, Fallout and Final Fantasy? Or even Bioware own SW:Kotor?
RPG is easiest genre to transform into gaas
Hudo
Gold Member
Because their CEO, Andrew Wilson, got into this position for being the architect of the "Ultimate Team" bullshittery of EA Sports. And EA Sports has been carrying the whole fucking company for at least a decade now.
The problem is that he views everything through this kind of lens.
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Tokio Blues
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Tokio Blues
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BbMajor7th
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Pretty sure trying to force the game into a live service framework was why it spent a decade in development hell that drove away most of the original creators... but yeah, people would have totally shown up if there was a battle pass filled with gliders and emotes and a Thanos x Thedas crossover in the summer...
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Wildebeest
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Just plain lacking basic knowledge of his own business. Getting a studio to make a type of game they are proven to be not good at making in a heavily oversaturated and mature market. Investors should dump more EA stocks on this news because it shows that EA have no leadership that is on the ball.
drganon
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Mass effect 2 was the last game of theirs I truly liked. Even 3, which I've come around to a bit, was a downgrade.
HoodWinked
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This woke shit is a religion. It's completely insane that they will bend over backwards to shield it from being blamed or criticized.
Wtf is happening.
Wtf is happening.
Or maybe he is a leftist just like those woke politicians that are in denial that there dei initiative and woke agenda especially push and force for twisted gender ideology has big effect on losing so many vote in USA.
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Schmendrick
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- "So our game didn`t attract enough players"
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-""The issue was that the game wasn`t designed as a live service which needs a lot of players to work at all"
assuming that CEO is not completely stupid he`s flat out lying to keep investors calm.
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-""The issue was that the game wasn`t designed as a live service which needs a lot of players to work at all"
assuming that CEO is not completely stupid he`s flat out lying to keep investors calm.
FeralEcho
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Most public CEO's like this have the most retarded takes from what I've seen on interviews and social media. I genuinely think you need to have a degree in retardation to qualify as CEO in many companies nowadays.
and again....these are the people that supposedly make the decisions affecting the company or the customers of that company. The fact that these mentally deficient money swindlers are in charge shows what a broken system modern society is.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
- "So our game didn`t attract enough players"
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-""The issue was that the game wasn`t designed as a live service which needs a lot of players to work at all"
assuming that CEO is not completely stupid he`s flat out lying to keep investors calm.
He thinks that is what he is doing but actually maybe doing the opposite.
He knows the problem, he can't say it out loud though because it won't "look good" to talk about failing bad at pushing the message down consumers throat
Dr.Morris79
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Autistic_Pancake
Neo Member
Ironically, they're not wrong. Make a gacha game with trans abominations as characters, and some people will pay for it anyway.
ScorpionX
Neo Member
Didn't bro introduce the ultimate team microtransactions in fifa and became the CEO.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
VenomousCoffee
Member
I'm a teacher, and he sounds just like typical education leadership, lying about the real conditions so that they can keep promoting their harmful bullshit.
Complistic
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Guys it's just like how BG3 failed because it wasn't a live service game. There's a pattern here.
It's just an easy lie to tell to investors while suggesting another lie (going gaas) as an easy solution at the same time.
Reality is that the IP isn't strong, they took creative decisions that didn't resonate at all with gamers and if they went gaas they would have risked a full shutdown instead of "just" disappointing sales.
It's also pretty much clear that Bioware is at their last chance moment with the next Mass Effect.
Reality is that the IP isn't strong, they took creative decisions that didn't resonate at all with gamers and if they went gaas they would have risked a full shutdown instead of "just" disappointing sales.
It's also pretty much clear that Bioware is at their last chance moment with the next Mass Effect.
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Hari Seldon
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They got super lucky with NCAA 25 this year. The game sold huge numbers, partially offsetting their FC 25 downturn.
Leviathicus
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"how out of touch do you want to be?"
"Ye$"
"Ye$"
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I wish that were the case. Sadly, it isn't so.
Rise of the Ronin, Hellblade II, Star Wars Outlaws, Alan Wake II, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Dragons Dogma 2, Capcoms Path of the Godess, FF XVI and Rebirth, Indiana Jones...That's a large number of good game / expensive disappointments in the last year or so.
That doesn't happen in 2010. The market is radically shifting.
"Just make a 97 Metascore game guys! It's easy! OMG why aren't I a CEO at one of these companies?"
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gamerEMdoc
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ER and DD2 are literally shared world experiences, which is actually what he said.
Fbh
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Some of these companies are willing to try literally anything except just giving fans what they want.
"Can we just get a Dragon Age that's a choice heavy dark fantasy RPG with tactical combat?"
"You mean a pink purple action game with a lighter MCU style tone, where you only get to be a lame good guy and we add poorly written DEI stuff with dialogue that feels ripped straight out of Bluesky or Tumblr?"
"What? No, just look at DA1 and do something similar with a new story, current gen visuals and some gameplay refinements"
"I see....so you mean we should have made a multiplayer GAAS?"
"Can we just get a Dragon Age that's a choice heavy dark fantasy RPG with tactical combat?"
"You mean a pink purple action game with a lighter MCU style tone, where you only get to be a lame good guy and we add poorly written DEI stuff with dialogue that feels ripped straight out of Bluesky or Tumblr?"
"What? No, just look at DA1 and do something similar with a new story, current gen visuals and some gameplay refinements"
"I see....so you mean we should have made a multiplayer GAAS?"
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Dr.Morris79
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Yep. You can tell none of them are gamers, or have ever been.Some of these companies are willing to try literally anything except just giving fans what they want.
"Can we just get a Dragon Age that's a choice heavy dark fantasy RPG with tactical combat?"
"You mean a pink purple action game with a lighter MCU style tone, where you only get to be a lame good guy and we add poorly written DEI stuff with dialogue that feels ripped straight out of Bluesky or Tumblr?"
"What? No, just look at DA1 and so something similar with a new story, current gen visuals and some gameplay refinements"
"I see....so you mean we should have made a multiplayer GAAS?"
Cyberpunkd
Member
This shit again.
Bernardougf
Member
I agree.. give 500 million dollars to the people that made Vailguard and have them make a full on GAAS game...
Ill wait.
Ill wait.
Felessan
Member
Very unlikely
Gacha not particularly popular in west and good luck getting money in the rast with avominations
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VenomousCoffee
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Your post made me think of a conversation I had years ago with a friend of mine. He was (and still is) relatively well-known in natural bodybuilding circles, and at the time I knew him was about 30. He told me that the owners of bodybuilding shows, supplement companies, etc. were always asking him how to get the wider audience ("the boys") interested in bodybuilding so that they could grow the industry. His advice to them (which I think is highly relevant here) is that they shouldn't try to get the wider audience and instead should stay true to their core audience. If you chase people who aren't interested in your hobby, you'll have to change your hobby to appeal to them, but then most of them will inevitably move on to the next thing anyway, because they were never truly interested in it. So you'll be left without your new audience, but you've also alienated your core audience by chasing the (very fickle) crowd.Some of these companies are willing to try literally anything except just giving fans what they want.
"Can we just get a Dragon Age that's a choice heavy dark fantasy RPG with tactical combat?"
"You mean a pink purple action game with a lighter MCU style tone, where you only get to be a lame good guy and we add poorly written DEI stuff with dialogue that feels ripped straight out of Bluesky or Tumblr?"
"What? No, just look at DA1 and so something similar with a new story, current gen visuals and some gameplay refinements"
"I see....so you mean we should have made a multiplayer GAAS?"
The downside is that the hobby will stay niche, but it'll still exist. So many hobbies and interests have been absolutely cannibalized by these vulture capitalists in the last 20 years or so, it's depressing to watch.
stn
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That's delusional. While the game has some solid graphics and the combat is okay, it obviously didn't sell because the story, dialogue, and choice-making--all staples of the classic Bioware games--were either terribly done or removed. Its an action game labelled as an RPG but with terrible writing.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Zacfoldor
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To finally end the argument within EA that single player games matter.
He's probably been pushing that agenda forever. He is just using Veilguard's failure due to DEI as evidence that SP games can't succeed. Anyone that disagrees with him is a bigot. Confirmation bias.
I suspect he's a money grubber just trying to cash in on short cheese as he obviously isn't accurate here, either due to ignorance or malice.
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