Honestly, upclocking has more disadvantages than advantages at this point in the cycle. What you see is what you get, and I'll be honest, I am very happy with how honest Cerny and co. have been regarding the design of the PlayStation 4.
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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Honestly, upclocking has more disadvantages than advantages at this point in the cycle. What you see is what you get, and I'll be honest, I am very happy with how honest Cerny and co. have been regarding the design of the PlayStation 4.
SwiftDeath
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Even the janitors.....
Nononono, I'm dreaming not hinting. I know nothing and have zero contacts anywhere. I just think Sony is patiently batting MS around as a cat would a mouse.
The GPU would be 2.30 TFLOPS that wouldn't be 2X 1.31 TFLOPS
A marriage made in heaven.
There is a sweat spot with these designs. There is a reason both were design around 1.6/800.
Kazuma Kiryu
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Sony's taking the indie self-publish policy very seriously.
hellmonkey
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Agreed. Im not actually hoping for an upclock in either CPU or GPU. It would be nice, but in order to keep the system safe and not prone to failures, any upclock would be to be pretty small, so then whats the point?
Im hoping for all the xbone owners sake that the recent upclocks do not turn into RRoD v2.0.
That's it right there. The design is so slick that they've probably only left themselves a narrow upclocking window. What's already inside doesn't need any more ball, but depending on the heat/noise situation, I think they'll do something soon.
They won't so much push the envelope as nudge it, but from their current position that's all just icing on the cake.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Oh my, that is a beautiful sight to see. God, what I'd give to be a fly on that wall.
They are hiding my Vector Units somewhere in this console I just know it! tears
Truespeed
Member
Even the janitors at ND know how to code to the metal.
At least one will be for their mascot.
Bets on time to triangle for this guy? I give him 7 weeks, tops.
Some commentary from ExtremeTech on the Edge article.
What could they mean by "oddball" configuration?
Probably for the TLOU team. They are working now on SP DLC, and after that.... PS3 devkits are going away....
Possibly that it is broken in four 8mb chips?
Still think this is much ado about nothing and further development and tools will reveal ways to make it easier to use and indeed narrow the gap as expected
No, the physical layout is transparent to applications, much the same way that the physical layout of memory (the number of chips on our RAM sticks) in all of our Macs/PCs is transparent to the software running on them.
This is what I'm thinking as well. The CPU OS reserve and capabilities of the PS4 audio chip are the only real mysteries any more. PS4 could potentially have more CPU power if the audio chip winds up being just as capable for general gaming audio (no Kinect reservation like XBO) and they have an extra core available. Upping the GPU seems pointless right now, they have a major advantage in Tflops and other internals. May as well keep everything quiet and cool.
ok cool thx
I don't expect any uplock either. They already published GPU clock speed and TFLOP rating, and since they already have the beefiest GPU, they are under no pressure here. The only potential changes in clock speeds that I can see are minor adjustments if the TDP predictions in final versions were too conservative and an upclock therefore virtually free.
People just want to have bigger numbers to make the war easier.
Nevertheless, "detailed specification" is a curious thing to include that prominently in an official statement.
Link? or is this something that was told to you personally?
SenjutsuSage
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That's just how smart the people at ND are. That guy can't make it past being a janitor.
SwiftDeath
Member
No one can rationally believe 1GHz/2GHz is going to happen for the PS4
That's crazy
Sony could do it of course but the failure rate would likely be mind-bogglingly bad
A small bump to the CPU is the only thing that might happen imo
Technically I could see a GPU bump (a small one) being possible but they have no incentive to do so
Nothing personal! Not an insider! Don't you remember the posts a while ago saying that there was room to upclock over the PS4's lifespan? It was everywhere. Either in a Cerny or Yoshida interview. (No, I'm not confusing it with the 2.75GHz wireless/RAM clock figure that people have misinterpreted from the FCC filing. This was before that came up).
Gamespawn
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Not saying it could happen, but it may be a scenario like the PSP where the chip had been purposely underclocked. I think that Jaguars are supposed to be clocked @2Ghz stock. Don't quote me on that but if true, and they had the foresight, it would just be a firmware update away.
SwiftDeath
Member
I guess
I think it's technically possible but I don't see it
Would involve a lot of risk on their part if they do it after initial launch
Do we have TDP numbers for both consoles yet?
thunder_snail
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PS4 is said to have an arm based secondary chip and those chips have ARM TrustZone. Maybe they use that? Not sure how it works though.
Is that ARM thing in any device ? (trustzone) ? Did they hacked it already ?
I actually didn't see that quote until just now. If there is any upclock it won't be huge, it'll be very similar to XBox One's. Those numbers probably came from AMD directly, could be they just found some efficiency benefits. If they keep the 2:1 ratio I could maybe see 1.71/855 but not much more than that.I don't expect any uplock either. They already published GPU clock speed and TFLOP rating, and since they already have the beefiest GPU, they are under no pressure here. The only potential changes in clock speeds that I can see are minor adjustments if the TDP predictions in final versions were too conservative and an upclock therefore virtually free.
People just want to have bigger numbers to make the war easier.
Nevertheless, "detailed specification" is a curious thing to include that prominently in an official statement.
thunder_snail
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http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/trustzone.php
Well the site above says they are in all the cortex chips which are used by all the smartphones out in the market and mentions DRM. I'm not sure if it's been hacked.
Sony just needs to put out a commercial like this and all the fanboys will either be crying or rejoicing depending on what side of the fence they reside on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8
Louis Cyphre
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Are we really going to see a major difference like the Wii compared to the XBox 360 and PS3? Doubtful. I don't think comparing specs are going to be the issue for the XBox One, it's the price and convincing consumers Kinect is needed that will be Microsoft's biggest obstacle.
Manmademan
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Ps4 does what xbone don't
Would be legendary. Sony doesn't have the balls for that one though
Canis lupus
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Did the RSX/Cell in PS3 ever get a bump in clockspeed post launch?
There's no way. The PS3/360 were like 10x faster than the Wii.
SolidSnakex
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ProfessorMoran
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It would be kind of sad if third-party publishers are gimping games on purpose, not to mention it would make third-party games look bad compared to stuff from ND and Santa Monica.
Neuromancer
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Is it just me or is yosp indirectly confirming the meat of the article, including some devs purposefully holding back on the PS4 versions of their games?
Dead Prince
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i just love aggressive sony. they are positioned so damn well for next gen they aren't hiding <3
That implies some devs DO have their hands tied
Which is why there will be added benefits on the PS4 version. You don't want to look substandard compared to what other games are doing and given how easy it is to develop on PS4 and the fact that a good portion of the optimization done on XBO works for PS4 as well due to the similar architectures, not many games will be identical. If there's a PC version they'll already have higher quality effects in the engine pipeline and can just adjust a few values.
Sony has said that lots of third party devs have been saying games are running better on PS4 since E3. The holding back PS4 versions was mainly due to budget concerns, which is why there are some studios that are.
James Sawyer Ford
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miDnIghtEr20C
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Right. Just like money hats on showing the same games at E3.
Gemüsepizza
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If a company will do this, we will know it and they will be called out and publicly shamed. Simple as that.
akachan ningen
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Since when do the big publishers have any shame?Gemüsepizza;82236613 said: