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[dEvAnGeL]

If a company will do this, we will know it and they will be called out and publicly shamed. Simple as that.

yep, i cant wait for the first next gen digital foundry article, i got my coffee mug ready

 

[Wynnebeck]

Right. Just like money hats on showing the same games at E3.

Or maybe Sony has so many other games further down the pipeline that it made no sense to show games so far out and not deliver like they have in the past hmm? Nah, that can't be it.

 

[Spongebob]

That implies some devs DO have their hands tied

 

[beast786]

That's really disheartening, but it sounds like he is.

I guess money talks.

this is why Albert spew that crap about launch game not that different. I can't stand his absolute lying and how people still respect because he sound nice. he straight up puts false information that contradicts MS own presentations. The guy is straight up snake oil salesperson, spreading FUD about competition and making voodoo facts meantime. so glad he got ripped by Ars. too bad he still has blind followers. his intention are clear

COD and EA games are going to be gimped. The only one from EA that might break the shackles could be battlefield. others I think will do what's best for there games.

 

[vg260]

That implies some devs DO have their hands tied

EA?

 

[plagiarize]

this is why Albert spew that crap about launch game not that different. I can't stand his absolute lying and how people still respect because he sound nice. he straight up puts false information that contradicts MS own presentations.

COD and EA games are going to be gimped. The only one from EA that might break the shackles could be battlefield. others I think will do what's best for there games.

shackled or not, PS4 is still likely to show an advantage unless the games are 1080p and 60 fps locked on Xbone. remember, it was Need For Speed devs that said there was a difference between their versions, even if they wouldn't say which looked better, and that's an EA team.

 

[RoboPlato]

EA?

DICE is proud of their tech, doesn't like XBO much, and is developing the engine powering all of EA's non sport games. They've also shown the PS4 version and not the Xbox One version of BF4.

 

[KimonoNoNo]

If a company will do this, we will know it and they will be called out and publicly shamed. Simple as that.

I'd lay odds that EA would have an incentive to keeping Microsoft sweet.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Not sure what to make of Yosps comment to be honest

I doubt he would say anything so revealing personally

 

[nib95]

EA?

Got to be. I suppose it's not far fetched that after spending countless millions on different deals, one of them would include forced platform parity. But who really knows?

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'd lay odds that EA would have an incentive to keeping Microsoft sweet.

I wouldn't be so sure about EA. The fact that DICE have been willing to show the PS4 version of BF4, but they won't show the Xbox One versions, is probably rather telling.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

DICE is proud of their tech, doesn't like XBO much, and is developing the engine powering all of EA's non sport games.

And the Need For Speed devs also said that both nextgen versions will not be completely identical.

 

[Hyunashi]

@yosp Delivers again. Will be interesting to see just which developers will go for parity and those that don't (I just hope SE dont go for parity....).

 

[Kaako]

Do not make anything of Yoshida's comment just yet. Would make sense to wait till we get some better evidence/clear confirmation if such a thing is going on. Would definitely suck ass if true, but then again you never know. Wait it out.

 

[beast786]

I wouldn't be so sure about EA. The fact that DICE have been willing to show the PS4 version of BF4, but they won't show the Xbox One versions, is probably rather telling.

Battlefield and maybe NFS because the actually have to compete with 1st party studios also. hence, they better bring there "A" games to the platform. if not I hope consumers make them pay for it.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I wouldn't be so sure about EA. The fact that DICE have been willing to show the PS4 version of BF4, but they won't show the Xbox One versions, is probably rather telling.

Buy it on the PC, problem solved. Or should we be worried the PS4 is going to hold it back?

 

[EmptySpace]

EA?

most likely. everything from the bundled-in deals to the stage appearances to the exclusives.

bundled-in fifa in europe (big deal)
titanfall
plants v zombies garden warfare
peggle 2

 

[vg260]

DICE is proud of their tech, doesn't like XBO much, and is developing the engine powering all of EA's non sport games. They've also shown the PS4 version and not the Xbox One version of BF4.

I guess I was thinking EA Sports in particular.

 

[Joeki11a]

Kojima will betray Sony

 

[rjinaz]

Do not make anything of Yoshida's comment just yet. Would make sense to wait till we get some better evidence/clear confirmation if such a thing is going on. Would definitely suck ass if true, but then again you never know. Wait it out.

I would be hesitant to believe him if he flat out said that it wasn't going to happen. But he pretty much admitted it will by some, and admitting that isn't exactly in Sony's best interest. I'm going to believe what he said.

 

[RoboPlato]

I guess I was thinking EA Sports in particular.

The sports games won't impress on either console.

Kojima will betray Sony

Kojima is showing off the PS4 version of MGSV this week. We've only seen PC footage so far.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If people think Sony can/will bump their clocks to 1GHz/2GHz, given that it's the exact same chip, what's to stop MS doing the same thing?

Putting the question another way, if 53MHz is what MS could manage, why assume Sony could get 200MHz?

Microsoft has the additional problem of an APU that I believe is about 66% larger than Sony's thanks to the eSRAM (which is huge). This can cause additional heat/yield concerns.

I think there's the potential for upclocks (even though I don't expect it). Sony will go for it if it won't hamper yields or cause the machine to overheat (i.e., little to no risk, so why not?)

 

[Bundy]

this is why Albert spew that crap about launch game not that different. I can't stand his absolute lying and how people still respect because he sound nice. he straight up puts false information that contradicts MS own presentations. The guy is straight up snake oil salesperson, spreading FUD about competition and making voodoo facts meantime. so glad he got ripped by Ars. too bad he still has blind followers. his intention are clear

Yep! And just wait until both systems have launched.
He will point his finger on RYSE to tell us "See! It looks great! No performance difference." I've already posted this once.

 

[Klocker]

Here's a thought.. maybe if some devs figure out how to make the xbox esram work at the optimal design and the way ms has designed it and maybe as the APIs improve, they wont need to hold back the "easier to develop for " ps4.

They can just make them nearly equal

 

[Nightengale]

Right. Just like money hats on showing the same games at E3.

Lack of moneyhats, you mean?

Sony's obvious moneyhats are GTAV, ACIV, WD and Destiny. One of those is current-gen, one more is not readily showable at all times ( Destiny ), and that leaves only 2 3rd-party games that Sony has to cycle for all their major events.

MS's has a richer range of moneyhats/partnerships. CoD: Ghost, BF4, Peggle2, PvZ, Titanfall, The Division, FIFA 14.

 

[helvetica bold]

Battlefield and maybe NFS because the actually have to compete with 1st party studios also. hence, they better bring there "A" games to the platform. if not I hope consumers make them pay for it.

I can't find the interview now (i'll keep looking) but I saw one with the main producer for NFS Rivals and he said both PS4 and Xbox One are looking the same.

Bingo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9wrW5J1WQ&feature=youtube_gdata

 

[Plinko]

Nobody should be surprised by yosp's comment. Many of us have been expecting it for months. Money talks, and MS has a lot of it.

 

[stryke]

Here's a thought.. maybe if some devs figure out how to make the xbox esram work at the optimal design and the way ms has designed it and maybe as the APIs improve, they wont need to hold back the "easier to develop for " ps4.

They can just make them nearly equal

Err X1 being weaker inherently holds back fully exploiting the ps4. No amount of API or optimisation bridges a 500gflop difference.

 

[beast786]

Here's a thought.. maybe if some devs figure out how to make the xbox esram work at the optimal design and the way ms has designed it and maybe as the APIs improve, they wont need to hold back the "easier to develop for " ps4.

They can just make them nearly equal

true


let's magically make a 1.3TF work as 1.8TF without gimping 1.8TF.

 

[vpance]

900p games for all

 

[Mrbob]

I'd lay odds that EA would have an incentive to keeping Microsoft sweet.

EA Sports does. They are the ones who have the deal with MS. We already hear rumors about NFS being better on PS4. Wouldn't surprise me if BF4 is better too, but this is launch we are talking about so there may not be a lot of time for improvement.

 

[badb0y]

Here's a thought.. maybe if some devs figure out how to make the xbox esram work at the optimal design and the way ms has designed it and maybe as the APIs improve, they wont need to hold back the "easier to develop for " ps4.

They can just make them nearly equal

This assumes that the consoles are equal.

They are not.

Do you install a HD 7770 into your computer and expect HD 7850 performance?

 

[Klocker]

true


let's magically make a 1.3TF work as 1.8TF without gimping 1.8TF.

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise at all the posters who are going to tell me ps4 is more far powerful on paper :Lol

A lot of that power will be mitigated

 

[stryke]

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise. Lol

No you're overestimating it.

 

[RoboPlato]

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise. Lol

PS4 is a more efficient design with a large pool of unified high bandwidth memory and the fine grain CPU compute customizations. I don't know why people keep acting like PS4 is only brute force. XBO has several customizations to help mitigate the issues caused by the inherent inefficiencies of a split pool of RAM, that's it. On top of that PS4 has a more mature toolset and is easier to work with.

 

[beast786]

Lack of moneyhats, you mean?

Sony's obvious moneyhats are GTAV, ACIV, WD and Destiny. One of those is current-gen, one more is not readily showable at all times ( Destiny ), and that leaves only 2 3rd-party games that Sony has to cycle for all their major events.

MS's has a richer range of moneyhats/partnerships. CoD: Ghost, BF4, Peggle2, PvZ, Titanfall, The Division, FIFA 14.

Deepdown / Mad Max and few other indie 3rd party. hell even minecraft is coming first on PS4 as launch title but not on xb1.

I disagree that MS have richer range by a long long shot

 

[jayu26]

Okay first of all, everyone needs to calm down...

Do not make anything of Yoshida's comment just yet. Would make sense to wait till we get some better evidence/clear confirmation if such a thing is going on. Would definitely suck ass if true, but then again you never know. Wait it out.

Second thing...

Battlefield and maybe NFS because the actually have to compete with 1st party studios also. hence, they better bring there "A" games to the platform. if not I hope consumers make them pay for it.

By doing what? Not buying next Dragon Age or Mass Effect is not even an option for a lot of gamers. Buying them Xbone and PC, that will just re-enforce that notion that multiplatforms do not sell as well on PlayStation. It is not like the games on PS4 are going to run worst than Xbone. If that happened, then I will join in the boycott gladly.

 

[ViciousDS]

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise at all the posters who are going to tell me ps4 is more far powerful on paper :Lol

A lot of that power will be mitigated

optimization helps but the PS4 is so similar and also 50% more powerful.....so the optimization wouldn't take much work to do......PS4 versions will be gimped by some Dev's and it will be really noticeable if they do.

 

[Klocker]

No you're overestimating it.

Perhaps but we will see eventually but of course thanks to premature articles like this the excuse for near parity will be moneyhats so it is what it is.

each of us can have our perceptions and enjoy our games

 

[Mrbob]

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise at all the posters who are going to tell me ps4 is more far powerful on paper :Lol

A lot of that power will be mitigated

I've found the argument hilarious the XB1 is more efficiently designed. If anything, looking at what we know, the PS4 is a more efficient design and it is more powerful.

 

[IN&OUT]

Is it just me or is yosp indirectly confirming the meat of the article, including some devs purposefully holding back on the PS4 versions of their games?

Whatever, I'll buy PS4 to be in the safe side.at least I will guarantee that multiplat will never run worse than X1 version, it's either identical or better.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Lack of moneyhats, you mean?

Sony's obvious moneyhats are GTAV, ACIV, WD and Destiny. One of those is current-gen, one more is not readily showable at all times ( Destiny ), and that leaves only 2 3rd-party games that Sony has to cycle for all their major events.

MS's has a richer range of moneyhats/partnerships. CoD: Ghost, BF4, Peggle2, PvZ, Titanfall, The Division, FIFA 14.

People said MS paid off people not to show the same games on PS4 at E3. Now people are saying that MS is going to make it where multi plats are going to be gimped.

I find it amusing.

 

[RoboPlato]

Whatever, I'll buy PS4 to be in the safe side.at least I will guarantee that multiplat will never run worse than X1 version, it's either identical or better.

Yeah, when worst case scenario is that the game is identical on the cheaper system it's pretty simple to decide which console to get for multiplatform games. Even with all settings the same, PS4 versions will be less likely to tear or drop frames.

 

[Klocker]

optimization helps but the PS4 is so similar and also 50% more powerful.....so the optimization wouldn't take much work to do......PS4 versions will be gimped by some Dev's and it will be really noticeable if they do.

Im referring more specifically how this article points out the esram is not being used effectively yet and/or is hard to use.

The article itself says that xbox it is still possible of being "closer" to parity if esram and helper chips can be used well

 

[KimonoNoNo]

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

Where has this narrative come from that the X1's design is more inherently efficient than the Ps4.

 

[beast786]

Well with some concessions obviously which for all intents and purposes will go unnoticed.

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

We have been all having this same argument for two months now so no surprise at all the posters who are going to tell me ps4 is more far powerful on paper :Lol

A lot of that power will be mitigated

And now we know why.

for the record PS4 is design to be efficient. unless PS4 is badly design, or its tools are lacking, and in both case we have reports that ps4 is ahead of xb1.

This is exactly why I called Albert out , his FUD and how beautifully has been spread here in GAF.

You know , how a porsche can out perform a corvette. Give me a freaking break. Again, so glad his ass got ripped by Ars using same asinine arguments.

 

[Bundy]

People still underestimating the efficiency of the design over the brute force... that's fine

So the XBone is now "more efficiently designed" than the PS4?
Is that the new "thing" to say in the Xbox scene, after the "second GPU chip" joke?
As I can see, Albert did a good job....

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Well, I hope he didn't indirectly confirm that some devs are willing to make their games look worse. I bet some won't like it if Sony's first party games are of very good quality (note the if).

Right. Just like money hats on showing the same games at E3.

Yosp commented on that? I didn't know that!

 

[RoboPlato]

So the XBone is now "more efficiently designed" than the PS4?
Is that the new "thing" to say in the Xbox scene, after the "second GPU chip" joke?

It funny because it's actually wrong.

 

[Redford]

I really hope we'll see a big difference in multiplats.

Why do you hope for that?