onnextflix5
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Free online, semi open design, could be good, issue will be cost, as on pc value for money really isn’t there anymore, so unlikely but u never know,
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eXtas1s: Valve is working on a new Steam console to compete with Playstation and Xbox in the future
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Cyberpunkd
Member
You understand this has been de-facto the state of PC market for the past 10-15 years?
Hohenheim
Member
What do you gain by games not being available everywhere?It will be a huge money drain endeavor for them.
And Sony will stop their PC initiative in a heartbeat.
So win win for me
Or maybe you're just kidding? Hopefully?
Shaki12345
Member
I'll buy it. I like PC gaming but I hate customization and the constant tinkering to make things work.
If they can make a console for 500/600 and everything will run well in a "Steam Console" setting, I'll buy it. Good excuse to get rid of Playstation at the same time since almost all their games are coming to PC anyway and most PC games are cheaper anyway.
If they can make a console for 500/600 and everything will run well in a "Steam Console" setting, I'll buy it. Good excuse to get rid of Playstation at the same time since almost all their games are coming to PC anyway and most PC games are cheaper anyway.
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SweetTooth
Banned
What do you gain by games being available everywhere?
pudel
Member
This.
....and there are two directions "digital" can go....1. subscriptions/online launchers....and 2. free files/offline.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Indeed, which is why I haven’t bought a Pc game for 15 years
Keep that shit away from consoles
Kvally
Member
More choices as a consumer.
With Sony and Xbox putting all their games on PC, this could be a great replacement option for PS and Xbox if you are not a PC fan.
SweetTooth
Banned
Should we include Nintendo in this initiative?
.Schmendrick
Member
No.
At best they`ll give "steam machines" another go maybe evolve their SteamOS for desktop-multi prupose use in a way or sth.
Whatever Valve puts out just adds options for the PC crowd, it will never go console style walled garden.
At best they`ll give "steam machines" another go maybe evolve their SteamOS for desktop-multi prupose use in a way or sth.
Whatever Valve puts out just adds options for the PC crowd, it will never go console style walled garden.
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Kvally
Member
Will their games work on Steam?
Sentenza
Member
It's ALREADY the majority of sales on consoles and it comes without most of the benefits of its PC counterpart as well (being an open platform, guaranteed backward compatibility, the confidence that no one will arbitrarily take away your library from you, etc).
genesisblock
Member
I think it's pretty clear this is just the Steam Machines 2.0. A concept that other 3rd party vendors can base on. They thing about consoles is that they are significantly forward compared to alternatives. However, with Steam Deck edging so close to their console counterparts, it make sense that Valve will take that concept further for a "desktop" deck for more graphics demanding games. This could lower the bar for the PC market, cut Nvidia to be the default PC requirement and open the door for the best PC Gaming app to the masses. Anybody thinking they are going the path of Sony/MS needs to have their heads examined.
Holammer
Member
I have no idea about the source, but everyone expects Valve to put out a console form factor PC running Steam OS eventually. When it happens it'll spur Lenuvo, ASUS and others to release their own similar devices. It'll be a win for PC in the living room.
I also think MS intend to do the same, but with a Windows 11 based OS instead. They already talked about the possibility of third party stores on Xbox.
I also think MS intend to do the same, but with a Windows 11 based OS instead. They already talked about the possibility of third party stores on Xbox.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Doesn’t matter, I much prefer physical, always have, always will.
You’re not going to sway me on this.
SweetTooth
Banned
Wait? You want everything on Steam or Everything on everything for the consumer?
Two totally different things.
And to answer your question, Yes Nintendo games can be up ported to work on Steam
RetroGamingUK
Member
Expect PC prices, this is the 3DO business model for those hardware manufacturers.
Kvally
Member
Everything on everything.
If that porting is legal then let’s get it done!
Cyberpunkd
Member
If the physical medium decline is anything to go by the market as a whole disagrees with your sentiment.
Sentenza
Member
Here's the thing...
If they "pull a Steamdeck" and go with a custom design, aggressive pricing compared to the hardware used (it doesn't even need to be hardware sold "at loss", just without a mark up in price compared to its components), nice standard software dotation, it could be a moderate hit. It would become the ideal "my first PC" to suggest to a friend who wants to get one.
If they go on the idea in the same way they did for the first round of Steam Machines (VERY vague reference spec, not doing anything by themselves but just letting third parties choose the hardware and the price, etc) it will hardly do any better the second time.
Sure, their Linux/Steam integration with SteamOS got A LOT better thanks to Proton and their improved "controller-friendly UI", but I doubt it will be enough in itself.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This is why a steam machine on the surface makes sense, but that's only surface level.
You have to think about who the consumer is and whether that library is valuable. It's not just the games that are available at launch but the games worth playing that are available at launch. No one is buying a console to play games that came out in 1998. I know we talk a lot about BC, but it's not a major selling point. Especially PC games from before 2013... most of which don't play well on gamepad.
Then it is missing games like Minecraft, Roblox, Genshin Impact, and Sony would probably stop making Steam games as well and would probably pull their games from Steam, meaning only people who already have them would be able to play them.
So who is the target audience? PC gamers who already have a library like the Steam Deck? What advantage would they have over the rig they already own?
The Steam Deck allows for portable gaming. What does a Steam machine allow for? Easier couch gaming? I'm not sure that's a sell to existing PC gamers and I'm not sure how it's going to sell to new gamers i.e. current console gamers when it's almost certainly going to be significantly weaker than a PlayStation and Xbox and/or more expensive and probably have no access to physical media.
I don't even see it having much of a retail presence.
Sony isn't competing with Valve today, but that can change. And who said sony isn't preparing to do their own thing on PC? I'm pretty sure that by the end of the decade Valve will have a PC storefront, a handheld, and a console and that by the end of the decade Sony will have a PC storefront, a handheld, and a console...
I think Valve has a lot of advantages but I think Sony has a lot more advantages.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Nah, just the obese American market
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SweetTooth
Banned
Cool, what about you PC folks start begging for Nintendo games then?
Myself I hated globalization in 2000s and I like silos
Nikodemos
Member
Yea, no, I find this unlikely. Steam Deck has been mildly successful, by Valve's internal (conservative) metrics, but I don't see them going for a set top. They have more to gain by continuing the Deck initiative, while launching a public version of SteamOS as a gaming optimized competitor to Windows (whom we all know is a terrible OS, especially for portables).
Sentenza
Member
I'm not even trying to, because what really doesn't matter is precisely what YOU "prefer".
It's genuinely irrelevant in the face of where the market is going.
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Kvally
Member
I love the Silo TV Series!
pudel
Member
Not really interested. Even most PS games are like "yeah, whatever" for me...but thats just me. But its definitely nice to have them available.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I wish they go through with this. Valve doesn't have the knowledge or the expertise to manufacture hardware and distribute it on the scale of the big three. It will be a huge money drain endeavor for them.
And Sony will stop their PC initiative in a heartbeat.
So win win for me
So, this is the true nature of a Sony fanboy. Embarrassing.
Valve have literally manufactured and distributed the steam deck from nothing to millions of sales. It is a great first device.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Cool. I'd be interested. I'd happily replace my ps5 in the living room. If the performance to cost is good. That'll be the hard part. Bless Gaben.
Parazels
Member
If something looks like a console, works like a console, and costs like a console, then it probably is a console.
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Sentenza
Member
If anyone can make one on a whim and a multitude of pre-existing hardware is going to be fully compatible with it, then it’s just an open platform.
More specifically a PC in a custom form factor.
pudel
Member
If the OS is free...than its just another pc. Consoles are also (crippled) pc's....just with a megacorp in front...gatekeeping it and dictating the rules.
Hohenheim
Member
Really?
More people being able to buy/play them, which means higher sales numbers and more money to the industry. Which means a healthier gaming industry, fever lay-offs and more games.
Also being able to play whatever I want on whatever device I feel like using.
I have a PC, handhelds and consoles, and I want to play my games on what feels best for each game.
For example, the upcoming "Split Fiction" will definitly be a console game for me, as i'm gonna play it with my girlfriend. But a game like Bloodborne, I would definitly prefer to play on my desktop PC to get better performance. Same with the newer Zelda games, to mention a few.
I would gain A LOT by having every game available everywhere.
BacklashWave534
Member
With a catalog of over 100,000 games at launch i think they will do just fine. All about marketing it as a competitior.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Parazels
Member
Console is a compact and convenient device for gaming on TV.The same calculations a "console" is doing and more. I dont know what you think your console is? Some kind of outerworld miracle wonder?
Fabieter
Member
Which is great because competition!
PendekarRajawali
Member
This. I’ll buy it if it’s good enough to play modern games with realistic budget. Could fill the void with Xbox probably leaving the hardware market.
pudel
Member
...and under the hood its just a pc with a (restrictive and very limited) CorpoOS.
Bonfires Down
Member
It’s possible, although I’m sceptical that they would withhold multiplayer GaaS games from Steam. Either way, I think it’s clear by now that Valve doesn’t give in to this type of pressure and will just do what they do.
Parazels
Member
Yes, a restricted OS is an attribute of a console....and under the hood its just a pc with a (restrictive and very limited) CorpoOS.
pudel
Member
The question is....does it need to be like this.
Senua
Member
These are the posts neogaf is famous forI wish they go through with this. Valve doesn't have the knowledge or the expertise to manufacture hardware and distribute it on the scale of the big three. It will be a huge money drain endeavor for them.
And Sony will stop their PC initiative in a heartbeat.
So win win for me
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Valve as a whole has less employees then are employed in an average AAA game studio.
Could they make something like a Steam Deck but console shaped with say a custom AMD APU? Maybe? This would be to basically demonstrate the possibility which is what they did with Steam Deck.
They physically can’t really compete in the space due to their company structure and small number of employees (relatively speaking).
Could they make something like a Steam Deck but console shaped with say a custom AMD APU? Maybe? This would be to basically demonstrate the possibility which is what they did with Steam Deck.
They physically can’t really compete in the space due to their company structure and small number of employees (relatively speaking).
Buggy Loop
Member
« lol »
« Good luck »
They need only one thing to flip the table. Half-Life 3 exclusive to Steam. You can buy a PC… or their steam deck 2 or console
Half-Life 2 started Steam
Half-Life 3 will start SteamOS PC/Deck/console/VR
« Good luck »
They need only one thing to flip the table. Half-Life 3 exclusive to Steam. You can buy a PC… or their steam deck 2 or console
Half-Life 2 started Steam
Half-Life 3 will start SteamOS PC/Deck/console/VR
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Sony and Xbox will have a word with you next gen, lol.