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eXtas1s: Valve is working on a new Steam console to compete with Playstation and Xbox in the future
- Thread starter Lunatic_Gamer
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Starbuck2907
Member
Probably confused or faked for clicks. . Steam is already coming (supposedly) to Xbox consoles. Developing their own doesn’t make sense.
HogIsland
Member
We practically have Spencer saying it, and implying MS won't subsidize hardware at a loss anymore. So I believe it's going to happen. What's unclear is how MS plans to expose games from various stores in a coherent Xbox front-end. Will other frontends launch as separate apps, or will individual games be integrated somehow? Will Game Pass integrate into Steam or sit alongside it in an Xbox UI?
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Yes, contraints boost creativity.
No, programming engines isn't a creative occupation. It's cold, hard, analytical and logical work.
You probably didn't notice the old guard of 90s developers isn't with us anymore. They got replaced by much younger, incompetent and lazy idiots. They are simply not up to the task to work with "exotic" hardware all of a sudden. Programmers aren't Michelangelo. Creating assets is an artistic endeavour. But those people are not the ones who make "exotic" hardware work well with the software.
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Gaelyon
Member
Bourgeois.
Anyway Steam doesn't have the industrial capacity to mass produce and distibute worldwide with the huge marketing budget required etc. It could be a nice niche product though.
Bonfires Down
Member
Thanks for your input Sony Nintendo.
Bonfires Down
Member
If Microsoft wants to have their current Xbox user base move to this new hardware then they will need to integrate games from other clients in as seamless a way as possible. If Xbox users have to mess around with other clients and such I believe they will simply move to Playstation instead.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Bad how?? Plus how is Windows bad on Deck??
cash_longfellow
Member
Butwhy.gif…you can literally just plug your desktop or laptop into the tv.
Ivan
Member
The infamous answer...
Terrible experience, especially if the TV is not in the same room.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
How is it not the same experience??
Bonfires Down
Member
Well, that’s true, but those who want can soon install SteamOS on their existing PC. The real answer is that a Steam console would be cheaper than a traditional PC, you don’t have to build it yourself, it will be small-ish (ITX stuff is fucking expensive) and there will presumably be a verification process like Steam Deck so you won’t have to think about settings.
awwr999999
Member
Not being able to do everything forces people to be more creative with what they do.
If Sony had a contest to see what studios were capable of doing with a PS2 game now the results would be far more creative than whatever those same studios have been doing with x86 AMD/AMD HW.
With hard limitations (maximum game size 8.5gb, VRAM, etc.) studios would have no shortage of constraint forcing them to make creative choices.
All of us here would be waiting on games from Rockstar, Konami, Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Kojima, CDPR and smaller studios to see what they could pull off.
ZehDon
Member
We've seen this already in the current XSX|S UI. Looking in your library screen, or in the Game Pass screen, the X|S logo denotes if a game is "current gen", however, there are other logos - such as EA and Ubisoft - that denote if the game is available due to another service. They offer the ability to filter down to just Xbox, X|S, EA, etc., as part of this UI. I imagine integration with an external store like Steam would be pretty easy in terms of hitting the API and getting a list of games you own. Microsoft's efforts with Smart Delivery have shown how pretty seamless they aim to make this kind of hand-off, and I would expect their third-party store integration to be of the same high quality.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
I agree. However, you are confusing "creative" with "inventive". Creativity is a psychological category. Less then 10% of the general population show traits of creative thinking. These people don't work as programmers.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I think I might get one too, as long as you can run windows too. I have a main rig that is my HTPC / Gaming console and have a shitty PC for the kids that we don't use because the CPU / Mobo is 2018 shit. I tried a firsestick with gamepass, but this might be the perfect gaming / spare computing device for the kids. I have been toying with the idea of an Xbox, but PC is better. I do realize I could just buy a decent ITX mobo/cpu/ ram and get that old 3090 going, but by the time I get around to that maybe these things will be out.
Muddy
Member
That’s why the Steamdeck has sold a miserly 3-4 million units.
Currently being outsold by the PS Portal ever since it released. A device no one wanted.
Truly a league of its own. Consoles beware.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Because more sales = more quality???
Sentenza
Member
Last time I've seen numbers the Deck was estimated to be around 6 million pieces sold and at December 2024 (so one month ago) the PS Portal was at 2 million pieces.
And it would be pretty fucking weird if new hardware released by SONY this year wouldn't outpace in sales a niche device released in 2021.
And it would be pretty fucking weird if new hardware released by SONY this year wouldn't outpace in sales a niche device released in 2021.
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HogIsland
Member
The 3.5M figure was an unofficial "by the end of 2023" forecast made in April 2023.
The only official Deck sales number is "multiple millions" last reported in November 2023.
Steam Deck has rarely left the top 10 best sellers on Steam since.
Dont make numbers up.
AtomicStarving
Gold Member
DOA, nobody cares. Xbox, PS and Nintendo already consolidated the pleb consoles space. Even Steam Deck sold like garbage.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Steam Deck is not on retail and is still selling, usually on top 1 of Steam sales.
Topher
Identifies as young
Fess
Member
What risk?
A more powerful Steam Deck without a screen to keep the cost down would be great for moving PC gaming into the living room and lure in console-only gamers.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
How likely is it that MS will just continue selling console like hardware for a profit that runs Steam games (without the need for Proton), as well as a handheld version of that? They're making money from selling their games (on Steam and Xbox store), while Valve continues to do the same. Can this be a win win type of deal?
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Sold. I like my Steam Link, but it really needs an update.
reinking
Gold Member
I’m not sure it will lure the console gamers this time much more than it did the last time. Console gamers like Nintendo and PlayStation consoles. There is a loyalty there. Steams loyalty is with PC gamers (and Xbox gamers now I guess).
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Muddy
Member
Those are the only numbers we have available. Official or not.
I will stick to them for now.
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Fess
Member
Last time there weren’t many games working well on SteamOS but now there are tens of thousand games verified for Steam Deck and more would be verified for a more powerful SteamOS device.
And Nintendo games are exclusive to Nintendo consoles.
But Playstation games are on Steam now, late but often with extra features. Plus you get PC exclusives and Xbox games day 1 and early access titles and mods and emulators and free online gaming and cloud saves.
HogIsland
Member
Worse than vgchartz
Muddy
Member
Better than the official ‘Multiple Millions’.
HogIsland
Member
yeah i'd just say "we don't know" rather than say things i know are wildly wrong
Muddy
Member
Wildly wrong is seriously exaggerating it.
Most estimates have it around the 3-4 million mark around a year ago.
It hasn’t sold double or triple that amount in the space of one year. Its 3rd year on the market.
HogIsland
Member
Most of the first year there was a shipping queue:
The Death of the Steam Deck Queue - Steam Deck HQ
Well would you look at that, the Steam Deck queue appears to be gone!
steamdeckhq.com
The "multiple millions" statement was made within a couple weeks of the Deck OLED announcement. The April 2023 Omdia projection you think is credible didn't even know there was going to be an OLED.
Muddy
Member
Most of the first year there was a shipping queue:
The Death of the Steam Deck Queue - Steam Deck HQ
Well would you look at that, the Steam Deck queue appears to be gone!
The "multiple millions" statement was made within a couple weeks of the Deck OLED announcement. The April 2023 Omdia projection you think is credible didn't even know there was going to be an OLED.
The multiple millions is such a vague term.
It sold 3-4 million in it’s first two years. It hasn’t doubled or tripled that in another year.
Let’s get serious here.
Parazels
Member
Didn't you stubbornly call Steam Deck a personal calculator?
So pc = niche device? Good.
alabtrosMyster
Member
xbox is everything, actually you are typing this post on an xbox according to xbox publicity.
Phil wants Gabe to taste misery to win their deal.
Sony
Nintendo
The risk of investing in a box that doesn't sell enough to justify its existence. Competing with Playstation is a fantasy. The most likely scenario is competing with Xbox which is doing terrible console numbers. And even there, it's not likely the mom's and dad's will but a steam console.
The console market is a mixture of casual gaming and enthusiasts. You can't rely on the Deck's success in the enthousiast PC market to make an entry is a mixed console market.
Fess
Member
They’re just spreading out. Just like Sony do on PC now. There is no risk, just extra money in the wallet. And lots of console-only gamers stay away from PC gaming right now because they don’t want to deal with Windows and drivers and mouse and keyboard. A Steam device is a perfect solution there, assuming the price is good. I used a docked Steam Deck as my first living room PC, it felt exactly like a console.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
IF this came out and was more powerful than the PS6 with all the benefits of being a standalone small form factor console that can play PC games, Xbox Games AND Sony keeps up with their strategy of releasing on PC... I could see me purchasing one over a PS6, more so if they could somehow make the GFX card upgradable then they'd have absolute winner on the hand.
Was going to buy myself a Pro but after Sony just about abandoned the PSVR2 I've no desire to give them £700 for the slight bump in res/FPS and was happy enough to wait for the PS6, but a console like PC could tempt me away from Sony
Was going to buy myself a Pro but after Sony just about abandoned the PSVR2 I've no desire to give them £700 for the slight bump in res/FPS and was happy enough to wait for the PS6, but a console like PC could tempt me away from Sony
Sentenza
Member
Are you under the influence?
HogIsland
Member
This is misapplying console war mentality to PC. PC is big enough already. A PC console doesn't have to justify its existence, it just has to play PC games.
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Starbuck2907
Member
I actually have played Xbox games on my phone via cloud streaming. So, true.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
They should keep with the Steam Deck form factor and just make it easier than ever to dock and play on a TV. Leave the consoles to the masters. There will always be room in the market for a higher-end version of the ongoing Switch platform.
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HogIsland
Member
The masters are just getting started
Guardian Monkey
Member
I would have no problem with this. Just give us a portable GPU dick option and we are good to good.