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[Big Al]

28 FPS standing still and no combat

At this woeful rate in PC gaming it would be more cost effective to have a film crew do a choose your own adventure game. At least it's real frames and not this fake bullshit.

In no world idoes this AI generated garbage cut the mustard.

 

[eNT1TY]

Looks like ima be a 5080/5070ti destitute tier peasant. I just cant justify 2k for slightly nicer looking console games.

 

[Bojji]

Bought a 4080 super not to long ago

Ffffffffffffffffffff

I’m fine
I’m fine

Remember 2080ti users that got it for 1200$ and when Ampere launched 3070 was matching it for 500$?

Or 3090ti users that had to pay 2k dollars and few months later 4090 launched for 1600 and destroyed it?

Compared to that it's nothing, lol.

 

[diffusionx]

Remember 2080ti users that got it for 1200$ and when Ampere launched 3070 was matching it for 500$?

Or 3090ti users that had to pay 2k dollars and few months later 4090 launched for 1600 and destroyed it?

Compared to that it's nothing, lol.

let's be real it coould be months until these are readily available at these MSRPs

 

[scydrex]

Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.

According to that video a 4090 4k native max settings and RT runs at 25fps. So the 5090 runs at 28fps and the 4090 runs at 25fps on the same settings? So without the DLSS 4 or Framegen the raw performance sucks?

 

[dEvAnGeL]

As time goes on the 4090 looks more and more like the 1080Ti successor.

You need a good baseline performance for frame gen to feel passable. Imagine going from 28fps to 224 frame gen. Might as well play this on the Switch 2.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.

I was expecting a lot more to be honest. I thought the RTX5090 would at least double the performance of my RTX4080S at 4K native + PT and get around 40fps, and especially since this is a RT/PT game where we should see much bigger gains due to the 2x faster RT cores.

I guess we will have to wait for the official benchmarks and see the full range of games that have been tested to find out just how fast the RTX5090 really is.

As time goes on the 4090 looks more and more like the 1080Ti successor.

You need a good baseline performance for frame gen to feel passable. Imagine going from 28fps to 224 frame gen. Might as well play this on the Switch 2.

On gamepad anything above 35fps already feel passable to me with Nvidia FGx2. With M+K I need a base of 50 fps to have a good experience.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Best Buy starting to show some prebuilds that are coming

These are surprisingly reasonable prices.

According to that video a 4090 4k native max settings and RT runs at 25fps. So the 5090 runs at 28fps and the 4090 runs at 25fps on the same settings? So without the DLSS 4 or Framegen the raw performance sucks?

Wow, only a 3fps increase with raw performance? This is worse than I thought

 

[Kilau]

I’m just excited to be getting an xx90 card finally, I can’t wait to list my ownership in every post I make. Next I’ll buy an OLED TV.

 

[Three]

According to that video a 4090 4k native max settings and RT runs at 25fps. So the 5090 runs at 28fps and the 4090 runs at 25fps on the same settings? So without the DLSS 4 or Framegen the raw performance sucks?

Just 12% faster for $2000. The fact that they used multi framegen 4x mode to show relative performance charts/stats for this card doesn't fill me with confidence but I'll hold out for real benchmarks later on.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

These are surprisingly reasonable prices.

I didn't think pricing was that bad either outside of being not my first choice for the CPU

 

[saintjules]

Was saying this about the Pro

 

[Gaiff]

Remember 2080ti users that got it for 1200$ and when Ampere launched 3070 was matching it for 500$?

And following the COVID prices, shortages, and its 8GB of VRAM, 2080 Ti owners had the last laugh.

 

[Bojji]

And following the COVID prices, shortages, and its 8GB of VRAM, 2080 Ti owners had the last laugh.

I remember flood of used 2080ti's. Almost none of those suckers got 3080 for months...

I was able to get 3070 very close to MSRP in the meantime, hahaha.

 

[//DEVIL//]

According to that video a 4090 4k native max settings and RT runs at 25fps. So the 5090 runs at 28fps and the 4090 runs at 25fps on the same settings? So without the DLSS 4 or Framegen the raw performance sucks?

This is what I am concerned about

 

[Three]

Was saying this about the Pro

Is this guy trying to impersonate Trump in the end?

 

[Futaleufu]

It doesnt matter how good the frame generation is: at 28 fps you are getting the input lag of a 28 fps game despite it showing you 200+ fps

 

[DeepEnigma]

@OverHeat being "not happy" about spending $2k on a GPU

You know what to do nVidia. $3K GPU next go round.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It doesnt matter how good the frame generation is: at 28 fps you are getting the input lag of a 28 fps game despite it showing you 200+ fps

You know what to do nVidia. $3K GPU next go round.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We must test the resolve!

 

[Grildon Tundy]

 

[owandeseis]

It doesnt matter how good the frame generation is: at 28 fps you are getting the input lag of a 28 fps game despite it showing you 200+ fps

While that's true, it's not what's happening on the video, the game's going from 28 FPS to around 60-80 with DLSS Performance which is what they showed the games with, and then using FGen to 220ish.

In that case the input lag is from a 60-70? FPS game, worse on GPU limited games IIRC, but then Reflex 2 does it's thing, not sure about the final result, but judging by DF's video, probably around 50-60ms input lag? (tho not sure if Reflex 2 was being used in that case).

For comparisons with a "similar" game, God of War at 60 FPS on PS5 has 110 ms input lag, and 47ms on PC (40ms at 120 FPS)

 

[Bojji]

I think the biggest thing coming from all these announcements is that ALL Dlss games will be able to be upgraded to the new high quality version and for all Nvidia GPUs.

This shit is massive. Dlss is already better than any other reconstruction and that transformer version is one step above.

 

[analog_future]

I’ve been dead set for like a year on getting the 5090, but the more I think about it after the reveal, the more I’m leaning towards just keeping my 4090.

Very minimal gains in raster performance and the 4xxx cards are gaining all of the DLSS 4 stuff except for 4x Frame Gen. Being able to sell the 4090 for a huge chunk of the cost helps, but still not sure if it’s worth it to me.

Glad I have a few weeks to think on it.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Had hoped they'd move away from 4 slot cards if the FE is 2 slot.

 

[raduque]

Just wait till they will announce 8GB 5060...

I honestly thought the 5070 would be 8gb and the Ti would be 12...

These cards are just too expensive. I was considering the 7700xt 12gb for ~$350, but maybe I can get a used 4070 for $300 or a Ti for $350.

 

[cripterion]

The 5070 is 108 000¥ here WTF, I'm tired of Japan price gouging. It's definitely not 549$

I have no GPU so I'll be looking at the 5000 series but fuck Japan and their deluxe pricing on everything.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

28 FPS...what are we doing here boys?

 

[StereoVsn]

I honestly thought the 5070 would be 8gb and the Ti would be 12...

These cards are just too expensive. I was considering the 7700xt 12gb for ~$350, but maybe I can get a used 4070 for $300 or a Ti for $350.

Wait to see what 9070XT offers first. But yeah, I can see bunch of 4000 series cards heading to eBay and other used marketplaces.

A 4070 Super wouldn’t be a bad get at all.

 

[Topher]

Wait to see what 9070XT offers first. But yeah, I can see bunch of 4000 series cards heading to eBay and other used marketplaces.

A 4070 Super wouldn’t be a bad get at all.

I'm tempted to take my 4070 Super back to Best Buy and say "how much will give me not to return it?"

 

[Crayon]

I'm tempted to take my 4070 Super back to Best Buy and say "how much will give me not to return it?"

Put a 3070 in the box and return that. That works sometimes.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

EDIT: This is not a bait or attack post. Please do not school me on this. I am not baiting or attacking. Take it easy guys and have fun with new graphics cards. I am considering 5080 myself since I love 30fps

 

[HogIsland]

I could be sold on a 5080, but there's no game I really need to flex it. Other than that Marvel 1943 game, what's coming out next year that could really be early next gen on a powerful PC? My 6700XT is keeping up for now.

 

[Topher]

Put a 3070 in the box and return that. That works sometimes.

So I've heard

 

[kiphalfton]

Wait till raster results come. I'm not even sure I wanna get a 5070ti anyone because they're results are from DLSS performance, they didn't even bother with quality let alone balanced. Wait till the dust settles

I remember when the 970 traded blows with a 780 Ti. That was pure raster performance, baby! For half the price.

Not this marketing bulll crap they're coming up with now.

 

[Puscifer]

I remember when the 970 traded blows with a 780 Ti. That was pure raster performance, baby! For half the price.

Not this marketing bulll crap they're coming up with now.

Seriously, now that the dust has settled in in wait and see territory and so should everyone else. This is clown shit

 

[Celcius]

MSI announces GeForce RTX 5090 Special Edition GPUs with up to five fans - VideoCardz.com

CES 2025: Redefining Cooling and Performance, MSI Introduces Next-Generation Graphics Solutions with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series At CES 2025, MSI proudly unveiled two groundbreaking NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series graphics cards that deliver exceptional cooling, performance, and AI-powered system...

videocardz.com

Kinda taking the flow-through design of the FE a step further... 3 fans on the bottom and then on the top you have a fan on each end with the PCB in the middle (5 fans in total)


The Asus Astral has 4 fans (3 on the bottom, one on the top)

 

[proandrad]

As time goes on the 4090 looks more and more like the 1080Ti successor.

You need a good baseline performance for frame gen to feel passable. Imagine going from 28fps to 224 frame gen. Might as well play this on the Switch 2.

This is really disingenuous, it isn't 28 to 224 via frame gen. Its 28 to probably 60-120fps with dlss upscaling and then frame gen gets added.

 

[peish]

Looking back at 4090 schematic, the tensor cores are as big as cuda cores

Wonder how Nvidia is able to go from 1.3k AI tops to 3.3k AI. Unless something sneaky with FP4 vs. FP8?

MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X is the quiestest RTX 4090 custom-design that we've tested. It runs at an unbelievable 28.6 dBA in our review, under full load, 4K, 60 FPS with ray tracing enabled, and temperatures are still really good.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[cman]

MSI displays RTX 5080 with 24 GB G7 VRAM on the card's box lol early spoiler, the real 24GB version to come later lol

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm tempted to take my 4070 Super back to Best Buy and say "how much will give me not to return it?"

Realistically, at this point I would wait for 5070Ti, but it will be a lot more vs your 4070S.

 

[twilo99]

 

[The Cockatrice]

I think the biggest thing coming from all these announcements is that ALL Dlss games will be able to be upgraded to the new high quality version and for all Nvidia GPUs.

This shit is massive. Dlss is already better than any other reconstruction and that transformer version is one step above.

I wonder if it'll work for games that are too lazy to update their DLSS versions and we can use the swapper or just drop the new one and replace it.

 

[TrippleA345]

Looking back at 4090 schematic, the tensor cores are as big as cuda cores

Wonder how Nvidia is able to go from 1.3k AI tops to 3.3k AI. Unless something sneaky with FP4 vs. FP8?

MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X is the quiestest RTX 4090 custom-design that we've tested. It runs at an unbelievable 28.6 dBA in our review, under full load, 4K, 60 FPS with ray tracing enabled, and temperatures are still really good.

www.techpowerup.com

Above picture is just an illustration.
Look at the picture

Spoiler: Picture Die Shot

, the tensor cores are not specifically highlighted here, but they are very small in each GPU core, only an extremely tiny amount of chip area was used. If the tensor cores are to be made physically larger, the result is that they are still extremely small.

 

[Bloody Crow of Cainhurst]

These cards are very cool and all, but, uh, can the AAA games industry stop putting out woke garbage I have no intention of playing on a 1060 let alone a 5090?

 

[peish]

Above picture is just an illustration.
Look at the picture

Spoiler: Picture Die Shot

, the tensor cores are not specifically highlighted here, but they are very small in each GPU core, only an extremely tiny amount of chip area was used. If the tensor cores are to be made physically larger, the result is that they are still extremely small.

Interesting find, I guess the tensor cores are blue colored? Didn’t this locuza have an account here

 

[Elios83]

The increase in raw power sucks but at this point it's expected.
The silicon technology is at its limits, it's not possible anymore to double performance by using double the amount of transistors on a more advanced node while keeping costs and die size the same.
It's just incremental stuff.
AI and ray tracing/path tracing are the only fields where R&D can lead to significant perceived improvements.

Still of course pretending that AI interpolated frames are the same thing as actually rendered frames to make the cards look good it's pure PR bullshit.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I wonder if it'll work for games that are too lazy to update their DLSS versions and we can use the swapper or just drop the new one and replace it.

That's the whole point, you can now forcefully update the DLSS version of a game without the lazy devs doing anything

There are already 3rd party tools which can do this for you, it's a simple swap of the dll file. This just makes it official in the Nvidia App, and also presumably will not trip the anti-cheats in some multiplayer games which the 3rd party tools will

 

[TrippleA345]

Interesting find, I guess the tensor cores are blue colored? Didn’t this locuza have an account here

No, the blue thing is something else, here in this picture you can see the tensor core. The yellow dots are for illustration purposes only. They could be that small. Possibly even much much smaller

Spoiler: GPU Core