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[Edder1]

This explains everything lol

Dude, dont tell me you're one those people who believe you can't judge a game by looking at it. Please tell me you're not one those people who believe that you cannot understand gameplay loop by looking at others play the game. Man, Kojima really makes his fans do and say funny things.

 

[kevboard]

DS is as much of a game as Detroit is. I prefer to play games with actual gameplay.

 

[SlimySnake]

Look, I love me some Death Stranding, and I'll still boot up the first game just to run around and enjoy the atmosphere, but aint no way people are acting like DS2 is some graphical next-gen benchmark. I could literally take screens from the first game and mix them in with shots from what we've seen of the 2nd and people wouldn't even realize it.

Also, why are all the screenshots in this "Graphical Fidelity I Expect" thread such low rez ass? Do high resolution hosting sites not exist anymore?


They have a plastic/shiny/photoshopped look to them. The first game had the same issue. They still look great, technically, but they're just a bit off. The good news is that 99% of the time you see them is in a cutscene. The real draw for DS was the world and music, Death Stranding has just an unmatched atmosphere in all of gaming, IMO.

era has some retarded threads where everyone posts dozens of 25-50mb PNGs. It makes the threads impossible to navigate. This is still a discussion thread instead of a screenshot thread. We do have those for both consoles and PCs which have high res screenshots. I go out of my way to keep gif sizes relatively small to ensure the thread doesnt halt to a complete stop.

There is an amazing looking 208 MB gif of DS2 posted on era that has since been taken down, but even though i downloaded it, i cant load it on IMGUR because it has a 200 mb limit, and i dont want to kill an entire page of this thread.

P.S i am playing the first game at 4k 120 fps right now and while it looks great, it is obvious that the draw distance isnt that great anymore, and some of the geometry is last gen as fuck in comparison. Boot it up if you still have it. I dont think the sequel is a graphics benchmark (nothing is topping HB2, 1943, and Matrix) but its up there among the best of the open world games this gen.

 

[Edder1]

Facts have a funny way of sounding when you're in your feelings.

 

[SlimySnake]

Dude, dont tell me you're one those people who believe you can't judge a game by looking at it. Please tell me you're not one those people who believe that you cannot understand gameplay loop by looking at others play the game. Man, Kojima really makes his fans do and say funny things.

I am not one of those people.

But i am not surprised my moment to moment comment went over your head because you dont realize that literally every step you take in the game can trip you up due to geometry. See below. It's all geometry.

Plues, there are literally dozens of mechanics all revolving around walking. It is literally a walking simulator. Only difference between HB2 and DS is that in HB2 you press up and forget about it, whereas DS has you press virtually every button on the controller while walking and manage a dozen different mechanics that directly affect gameplay.

But i wont try to convince you. Its not a game for everyone. But im not surprised you were so lost during our argument earlier. Should've started with that bit of knowledge or lack thereof.

 

[Edder1]

I am not one of those people.

But i am not surprised my moment to moment comment went over your head because you dont realize that literally every step you take in the game can trip you up due to geometry. See below. It's all geometry.

Plues, there are literally dozens of mechanics all revolving around walking. It is literally a walking simulator. Only difference between HB2 and DS is that in HB2 you press up and forget about it, whereas DS has you press virtually every button on the controller while walking and manage a dozen different mechanics that directly affect gameplay.

But i wont try to convince you. Its not a game for everyone. But im not surprised you were so lost during our argument earlier. Should've started with that bit of knowledge or lack thereof.

My guy, you're trying to sell me a walking simulator. I'm not buying it.

 

[Edder1]

SlimySnake Since you're so crazy about walking simulation, here's a game you may also enjoy

 

[RafterXL]

era has some retarded threads where everyone posts dozens of 25-50mb PNGs. It makes the threads impossible to navigate. This is still a discussion thread instead of a screenshot thread. We do have those for both consoles and PCs which have high res screenshots. I go out of my way to keep gif sizes relatively small to ensure the thread doesnt halt to a complete stop.

There is an amazing looking 208 MB gif of DS2 posted on era that has since been taken down, but even though i downloaded it, i cant load it on IMGUR because it has a 200 mb limit, and i dont want to kill an entire page of this thread.

P.S i am playing the first game at 4k 120 fps right now and while it looks great, it is obvious that the draw distance isnt that great anymore, and some of the geometry is last gen as fuck in comparison. Boot it up if you still have it. I dont think the sequel is a graphics benchmark (nothing is topping HB2, 1943, and Matrix) but its up there among the best of the open world games this gen.

Fair enough, makes sense. I just like juicy 4k images that show off the games.

My guy, you're trying to sell me a walking simulator. I'm not buying it.

Calling Death Stranding a walking simulator is like calling Cabin in the Woods a slasher flick. Everyone I know who calls it that has never played it, and i's a game that you can't fully appreciate without playing extensively. It's also a very love it or hate it kind of game. so not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[SlimySnake]

I don’t understand. What’s the point of RTX then? This looks dynamic

Shadows have been dynamic for a while. Doom 3. Pretty much every game with a torch has dynamic lights and shadows. Nowadays, even volumetric clouds can cast shadows. The thing is that dynamic shadows are very expensive and take up a lot of the GPU. Shadows on PC are typically one of the top 3 heaviest settings, if not THE heaviest.

RT shadows on the other hand are effectively free if you are already using other ray tracing effects especially RTGI. i noticed maybe a 3-5% performance hit when enabling RT shadows in cyberpunk.

This is a good example of RT shadows making a huge difference at times.

When people talk about dynamic lighting, they mean changing the entire lighting of the level on the fly like you saw on the UE5 demo where all of a sudden a roof collapses and fills in a dark hallway with sunlight organically. the thing is no game is doing stuff like this. not even wukong, avatar or silent hill 2, which is why a lot of people are kinda pissed that devs are using expensive ray tracing techniques like Lumen and RTGI.

I used to be one of those haters until recently because ive noticed that Lumen and RTGI games are far more consistent level to level. Room to room, and especially with indirect lighting in open world games that doesnt get a lot of love because devs might not have time to place fake light sources everywhere. Baked lighting is great for smaller linear games like Callisto but even TLOU2 which is linear but roughly 30 hours long has a lot of areas that look like shit compared to the similarly baked lit epilogue chapter in Uncharted 4.

AW2 uses baked lighting and its one of the best looking games ive played this gen so i am not going to boycott non-lumen/rt games, but its also a game that reuses A LOT of its areas especially interiors whereas TLOU2 and Horizon are just introducing new levels one after another. That likely made it easier for devs to go in and really give each room that amazing look.

 

[kevboard]

Facts have a funny way of sounding when you're in your feelings.

anyone who claims Deaths Stranding has no gameplay and/or compares the amount and/or quality of it to something like Detroid is either baiting or fucking braindead.
there's a fact you can print out and stick in your wall.

let me give you an example of something I did in Death Stranding.
I defeated the first boss, went on the ship to leave the starting area.
once I arrived I made my way to the first node. on my way there I noticed a Mule camp, and at that point I didn't have access to trucks yet, but I saw a truck driving around in that camp and thought it would make my life a lot easier if I had that thing, speeding up building the highway since I could carry a lot more stuff on that truck.

so I stealthed into the Mule camp with a bunch of Stun Bombs on my back, went near the Mule that drove the truck, stunned him, stole the truck from him and fled back to the first node. (lots of dodging other mules and stunning them happening during that, as the truck will be unusable for a while, so I had to defend myself a bit)
I ended up successfully stealing a vehicle from an enemy base that gave me a strategic advantage until I unlocked the fabrication plans for trucks.

if this is comparable to Detroit to you then you should visit a neurologist at your earliest convenience.

 

[SlimySnake]

anyone who claims Deaths Stranding has no gameplay and/or compares the amount and/or quality of it to something like Detroid is either baiting or fucking braindead.
there's a fact you can print out and stick in your wall.

let me give you an example of something I did in Death Stranding.
I defeated the first boss, went on the ship to leave the starting area.
once I arrived I made my way to the first node. on my way there I noticed a Mule camp, and at that point I didn't have access to trucks yet, but I saw a truck driving around in that camp and thought it would make my life a lot easier if I had that thing, speeding up building the highway since I could carry a lot more stuff on that truck.

so I stealthed into the Mule camp with a bunch of Stun Bombs on my back, went near the Mule that drove the truck, stunned him, stole the truck from him and fled back to the first node. (lots of dodging other mules and stunning them happening during that, as the truck will be unusable for a while, so I had to defend myself a bit)
I ended up successfully stealing a vehicle from an enemy base that gave me a strategic advantage until I unlocked the fabrication plans for trucks.

if this is comparable to Detroit to you then you should visit a neurologist at your earliest convenience.

The game had a massive hate campaign at launch with YouTubers trying to score easy views by purposefully playing the gsme the wrong way. Even reviewers who liked the game ended their reviews saying it’s not for everyone. Only for the game to win the most game awards that year including used awards.

The funny thing is that my favorite aspect of the game, the building of highways, bridges and shelters was barely even marketed and is never brought up because the people who have never played the game don’t realize just how rewarding it can be. I finished my first run with 2 million likes accumulated mostly by building most highways by myself but also going out of my way to place bridges and ziplines on cliffs. I loved getting likes in real-time seeing everyone use my infrastructure. What a brilliant idea integrating a social mechanic in a fedex simulator. It elevated the game to something a lot more grand.

 

[Edder1]

anyone who claims Deaths Stranding has no gameplay and/or compares the amount and/or quality of it to something like Detroid is either baiting or fucking braindead.
there's a fact you can print out and stick in your wall.

let me give you an example of something I did in Death Stranding.
I defeated the first boss, went on the ship to leave the starting area.
once I arrived I made my way to the first node. on my way there I noticed a Mule camp, and at that point I didn't have access to trucks yet, but I saw a truck driving around in that camp and thought it would make my life a lot easier if I had that thing, speeding up building the highway since I could carry a lot more stuff on that truck.

so I stealthed into the Mule camp with a bunch of Stun Bombs on my back, went near the Mule that drove the truck, stunned him, stole the truck from him and fled back to the first node. (lots of dodging other mules and stunning them happening during that, as the truck will be unusable for a while, so I had to defend myself a bit)
I ended up successfully stealing a vehicle from an enemy base that gave me a strategic advantage until I unlocked the fabrication plans for trucks.

if this is comparable to Detroit to you then you should visit a neurologist at your earliest convenience.

Dude, if you think that I'm saying that DS is exactly like Detroit then it's you who's braindead. My point is about both games being far less games than traditional games.

Nice of you to pick and choose gameplay segments to make DS seem like it has engaging gameplay. 90% of the gameplay loop revolves around being a walking and delivering simulator. You can smell Kojima farts and pretend that it's something more, but that's what it is. The man himself didn't have confidence in his own gameplay loop, so he kept hiding it until release and making people question what the actual gameplay loop was all about.

Don't know why people keep pretending DS is not a walking delivery simulator when literally every review of the game admits to this being the case, even those who gave it high marks. I would have far more respect for fans of the game if they owned it and said it how it is instead of pretending it's something more than that.

I'm really not interested in this discussion because it's gone off topic and probably belongs in another thread.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Dude, if you think that I'm saying that DS is exactly like Detroit then it's you who's braindead. My point is about both games being far less games than traditional games.

Nice of you to pick and choose gameplay segments to make DS seem like it has engaging gameplay. 90% of the gameplay loop revolves around being a walking and delivering simulator. You can smell Kojima farts and pretend that it's something more, but that's what it is. The man himself didn't have confidence in his own gameplay loop, so he kept hiding it until release and making people question what the actual gameplay loop was all about.

Don't know why people keep pretending DS is not a walking delivery simulator when literally every review of the game admits to this being the case, even those who gave it high marks. I would have far more respect for fans of the game if they owned it and said it how it is instead of pretending it's something more than that.

I'm really not interested in this discussion because it's gone off topic and probably belongs in another thread.

You can call it a walking simulator, I guess, but Death Stranding has way more gameplay mechanics than most traditional games. It's quite clear you have not played DS for more than an hour if you are comparing it to Detroit

 

[Edder1]

You can call it a walking simulator, I guess, but Death Stranding has way more gameplay mechanics than most traditional games. It's quite clear you have not played DS for more than an hour if you are comparing it to Detroit

It's funny how 99% of people who defend gameplay loop in DS also happen to be Kojima fanboys... Wow, what a coincidence.

 

[GymWolf]

Yes you can be impressed on a visual level by something that pushes visuals hard with little action going on, but you would never call that a technical masterpiece because you know they're only achieving those visuals as a result of restricted game design. This is kind of why PT clones can never be in discussion for best graphics of the year no matter how good they look, because it's a lot easier to push photorealism in that kinda game design.

Having said that, DS2 isn't even that impressive outside of cutscenes. The only thing that stands out in gameplay is Nanite tier geometry, but beyond that it's not showing anything else we haven't seen before. People are free to change my mind and I'm one of those people who rates Kojima Productions very highly when it comes to technology, but DS2 doesn't blow me away whatsoever. I would go as far to say that parts of DS2 gameplay remind me of last gen.

Nanite tier geometry? Dude have you saw my last ds2 pic i posted in here?

This shit is nowhere near nanite, it suffer from horizon syndrome, extremely variable rock quality, decima is no ue5.

 

[Edder1]

Nanite tier geometry? Dude have you saw my last ds2 pic i posted in here?

This shit is nowhere near nanite, it suffer from horizon syndrome, extremely variable rock quality, decima is no ue5.

It's the most Nanite thing we've seen outside of UE5, at least when it comes to rock textures. I guess this proves I'm not an unfair hater of the game after all.

 

[GymWolf]

Sometimes I feel like your one of the very few here with any real intergrity.

Integrity? Dude we are shit talking about graphic, it is not that serious

I say a lot of stupid shit aswell.

 

[GymWolf]

It's the most Nanite thing we've seen outside of UE5, at least when it comes to rock textures.

I mean if being a faaaar second place is being close then ok.

 

[Edder1]

I mean if being a faaaar second place is being close then ok.

I mean you're right, the rock textures are nowhere near as impressive as the first UE5 demo, and that demo was as much of a game as DS is

 

[GymWolf]

It's funny because this short movie was made with the exact same tech from 3Lateral then the one who is also used in DS2.

There is reason that even the games who use the exact same tech don't look anything like this because it's a short movie with no gameplay and we don't even know if it's running in real time or pre-rendered using Unreal Engine's offline rendering mode because the only thing they said that this film was rendered in Unreal Engine.

There is no point in hoping for something like that in current games, the best results will be obtained in productions like Hellblade 2 but we are closer to the fairly limited Interactive experience than to a real video game.

It's like when people expected to see a level of in-game photorealism equivalent to Unreal's Rebirth demo, and six years later, we're still nowhere near it.

I was just showing why i'm not impressed by the intergalactic model, that shit ain't a generation better than ellie cutscene in tlou2.

And if i can expect a miracle in character rendering, it was gonna come from ND, of course this was before realizing that sony teams this gen don't have the graphic crown anymore and they have become lazy.

 

[GymWolf]

I am playing DS1 again and the first few shots of the game look virtually identical to the Rebirth demo. They are clearly pre-rendered and i was hoping to see that kind of fidelity by kojipro on a console 7x more powerful.

Character models do look better, but honestly, i was expecting photorealism like HB2 because during cutscenes its not like they have to run gameplay logic and when they zoom into character faces, they dont have to worry about having other stuff in the vram and can spend all the GPU horsepower on rendering the most detailed version of the character's face. My guess is that they were limited by their pixel budget. HB2 is like the Order 1886 in that it doesnt have to render fullscreen which gives them 40% more GPU to push pixels. They are also targeting 1440p (3.7 million) and drops to 1296p in widescreen so its pixel budget is somewhere between 1080p (2.1 million pixels) and 1296p (2.7 million). My guess is that DS2 is targeting native 4k and with drops to 1800p like in Spiderman 2. which is roughly 3-4x more pixels the GPU has to render. Thats the only explanation i can come up with. If the game is 1440p in its 30 fps mode then yes, maybe they have hit a wall with the hardware and this is the best we can do.

With all that said, i took some screenshots of the characters last night and the difference is night and day. Guillemo Del Toro, Old Lindsay Wagner and Amelie all look plasticy in comparison to the new trailer. Sam looked amazing already so his difference isnt night and day.

Aloy in zero dawn vs aloy in fw is night and day.

This is a noticeable difference but hardly night and day in my book.

Semantics i guess.

Also slightly unrelated, the npcs system is sp2 is dogshit dude, they barely react and you can't interact with them other than an high 5 or a selfie, watch dogs2 utterly destroy the npc system of sp2 but i could go back even further, infamous 1 had better npcs...

If that basic ass shit is great npcs tech then you are super easy to please, i would have diarrhea for 5 months if gta6 has that shitty npcs system.

Btw i'm with edder on this one, not on everything because i think he is seeling ds2 short but on the general concept i'm with him.

 

[Gonzito]

Weak texture or DOF?



Hahaha. Skin in DS1 (and DS2 trailer) look more to me like wax figures, it's too smooth. Maybe they wanted to make actors look younger/better. IDK.

Horizon doesn't look like that. I didn't pay much attention to the discussion so it was probably already said.

This is the motion blur in the corner of the screen that cause that blurriness. It happens with Horizon as well, if you remove it, the textures in the corner look incredibly detailed. I dont even know why the use that shit to be honest but it seems to be a default thing in the decima engine

 

[Edder1]

Talking about geometry, the new Battlefield looks very disappointing from technical perspective. Geometry is still so last gen and lighting upgrades are very conservative. Damn, don't think we've ever had a generation where games on the same hardware could look like they were generations apart.

 

[Edder1]

Damn, don't know what they're doing with Sam's character in gameplay, but from this shot his skin texture makes him look like a PS4 or even PS3 model. Is this the visual masterpiece that Koj fans swear by? Someone please try convince me this isn't the same model used on PS4, lol. Game that has you playing as lonely character for much of it and they can't even make him look half decent in gameplay. Koj, you have lost all my respect .

 

[Edder1]

SlimySnake Is this your visual masterpiece? You shameless cow, you really dying on this hill, aren't you?

 

[GymWolf]

SlimySnake Is this your visual masterpiece? You shameless cow, you really dying on this hill, aren't you?

Jesus dude, calm down a little, we get it, you don't like ds2 graphic

The banter is fun but let's not get out of hand.

 

[CGNoire]

Integrity? Dude we are shit talking about graphic, it is not that serious

I say a lot of stupid shit aswell.

No im talking about standards. They shift all over the place with bunch of others here.

#ready4mush

 

[GymWolf]

Hot take, i think the acting\voice acting in this scene is more powerfull than anything i watched in the ds2 trailer.

I couldn't stop thinking about this scene for a while after i saw it, the voice actor was robbed at the awards, dude made me eyes misty, ngl.

No idea how bloopers pulled this off, this is without a doubt one of the best digital\voice acting you are ever gonna see in a vg.

 

[GymWolf]

This looks kinda great for an indie\aa sims games



The characters are pretty solid for such a game, i would not cry if gta6 has these characters fidelity for the npcs on the streets.

 

[SimTourist]

This looks kinda great for an indie\aa sims games



The characters are pretty solid for such a game, i would not cry if gta6 has these characters fidelity for the npcs on the streets.

Looks nice with RT reflections and RTGI

 

[GymWolf]

Looks nice with RT reflections and RTGI

My monkey brain didn't noticed any of that, i just like how the npcs look

Also a lot of solid animations on display.

 

[Gonzito]

Some people here need to take their medication (me included)

 

[GymWolf]

Some people here need to take their medication (me included)

Offended by the ds2 slandering??

 

[Gonzito]

Offended by the ds2 slandering??

I dont like when people fight over graphics, it's silly in my opinion but to deny that DS2 looks jaw dropping is mental hospital levels of craziness

 

[GymWolf]

I dont like when people fight over graphics, it's silly in my opinion but to deny that DS2 looks jaw dropping is mental hospital levels of craziness

Most of the time we don't fight, the topic just has an higher level of camaraderie so we bust each other balls for fun.

I don't think anyone in here is that serious.

 

[Gonzito]

Most of the time we don't fight, the topic just has an higher level of comaraderie so we bust each other balls for fun.

I don't think anyone in here is that serious.

Good that means the medicines are working, so we dont need to increase the dosage

 

[GymWolf]

SlimySnake what is this dude on reee talking about??


also this game will likely not use PSSR but the new AA technique by Guerrilla, meaning that image quality will be absolutely flawless. should look incredible on the Pro.

Guerrilla has something better than pisser?