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Metal Gear Solid V Will not Have a Preload on Steam

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Nope. If nothing changes, then it's 10am PT for everyone.

Games release at 10am PT by default since it's Valve that has to change release states of apps and 10am is when the store updates. Changing release states is still one of the very few things publishers can't just handle themselves using the Steam Partners frontend. At present, TPP is still 6 days, 22 hours and 10 minutes away.

Laaaaaame.

You'd think that when they were shifting the release from September 15th to September 1st they'd have given this some thought.
 

Mifec

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considering robert was asked specifically with the caveat of "i'm not in new zealand" (or thereabouts) when he answered the question for unlocking at NZ time, i think we're safely getting the start downloading when it goes live at midnight NZ time.

So you assume they will change the unlock time before release? Cuz like JaseC said it's still 10am PT even for NZ.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
considering robert was asked specifically with the caveat of "i'm not in new zealand" (or thereabouts) when he answered the question for unlocking at NZ time, i think we're safely getting the start downloading when it goes live at midnight NZ time.

I did mention that tweet in my earlier post, in which I explained why the situation as it currently stands isn't as clear cut as it should be:

Except the game is still set to unlock worldwide at 10am PT and while Peeler answered in the affirmative that those outside of New Zealand will be able to download the game as well, he also said that the pre-order period will run until 10am PT, which not only directly contradicts the former comment but also further supports the current unlock time.

His tweets are a week old now and the unlock time hasn't changed. That doesn't bode well.
 

Mifec

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so there are no concerns on the quality of the PC version right? it's probably going to be the go-to if you have the choice?

They specifically asked what stuff we wanted in the version, included as much as they could and even brought the release date up 2 weeks. GZ was also a solid port. So far no red flags. Also if you buy on steam you can always refund since they have a great system in place now.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Laaaaaame.

You'd think that when they were shifting the release from September 15th to September 1st they'd have given this some thought.

The lack of a pre-load period is truly baffling. Even assuming the data isn't finalised, most people (i.e. everyone without a particularly fast connection) would prefer to download the difference on launch day rather than the whole hog. I think Konami is concerned that allowing a pre-load would result in the game being cracked early, but Steam pre-load data is and has always been encrypted.
 
They specifically asked what stuff we wanted in the version, included as much as they could and even brought the release date up 2 weeks. GZ was also a solid port. So far no red flags. Also if you buy on steam you can always refund since they have a great system in place now.

great, so PC it is (unless of course I can get the PS4 version a couple days early, then all hell's breaking loose)

side note, worst case scenario I preorder the PC version and then ask for a refund, what happens regarding the free Ground Zeroes? I don't want it to be like I'm scamming the system for a free game, does steam care about that?
 

Mifec

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great, so PC it is (unless of course I can get the PS4 version a couple days early, then all hell's breaking loose)

side note, worst case scenario I preorder the PC version and then ask for a refund, what happens regarding the free Ground Zeroes? I don't want it to be like I'm scamming the system for a free game, does steam care about that?

I assume they just deactivate it? I have no idea how steam handles that stuff. Also PC version has custom soundtracks :3

Here is the press release

http://steamcommunity.com/games/287700/announcements/detail/801990781197940705
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I was under the impression that the Ground Zeroes bundle was to game the system and make it a no-refunds purchase.

The only items that are non-refundable are videos and DLC with an irreversible effect (e.g. a character booster).

great, so PC it is (unless of course I can get the PS4 version a couple days early, then all hell's breaking loose)

side note, worst case scenario I preorder the PC version and then ask for a refund, what happens regarding the free Ground Zeroes? I don't want it to be like I'm scamming the system for a free game, does steam care about that?

You'll lose GZ, too, as it's part of the package.
 

Spaghetti

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So you assume they will change the unlock time before release? Cuz like JaseC said it's still 10am PT even for NZ.

I did mention that tweet in my earlier post, in which I explained why the situation as it currently stands isn't as clear cut as it should be:



His tweets are a week old now and the unlock time hasn't changed. That doesn't bode well.
alien isolation's time didn't change and it launched a day early. all it takes is for someone at konami to hit publish.

besides, tpp is an odd case because as i'm sure some of you have noticed, it isn't actually on sale as a stand-alone product. it's on sale as a bundle. the bundle will switch to stand-alone at 10am PT as per robert's tweets, but he has made it clear that the game will unlock for those who pre-purchased at midnight NZ time. whether that means the game disappears for purchase from steam until 10am PT is a mystery. the two don't directly contradict each other, considering you can't actually buy tpp alone through steam yet.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
alien isolation's time didn't change and it launched a day early. all it takes is for someone at konami to hit publish.

It's Valve that changes release states (this is why games don't release on weekends), but I wasn't ruling out that things could change. I did say bode, for one. ;)

besides, tpp is an odd case because as i'm sure some of you have noticed, it isn't actually on sale as a stand-alone product. it's on sale as a bundle. the bundle will switch to stand-alone at 10am PT as per robert's tweets, but he has made it clear that the game will unlock for those who pre-purchased at midnight NZ time. whether that means the game disappears for purchase from steam until 10am PT is a mystery. the two don't directly contradict each other, considering you can't actually buy tpp alone through steam yet.

They do contradict each other. Pre-order subs are replaced with their post-release equivalents when a game unlocks and Konami couldn't repurpose the former without affecting everybody who owns it, plus it also can't just outright replace user licences. Either the game unlocks at midnight the 1st NZ local time or the pre-purchase period runs until 10am PT. It can't be both unless the game is unlocking in NZ first and other territories later, but Peeler's tweets don't indicate a staggered release.
 

Spaghetti

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It's Valve that changes release states, but I wasn't ruling out that things could change. I did say bode, for one. ;)

They do contradict each other. Pre-order subs are replaced with their post-release equivalents when a game unlocks and Konami couldn't repurpose the former without affecting everybody who owns it, plus it also can't just outright replace user licences. Either the game unlocks at midnight the 1st NZ local time or the pre-purchase period runs until 10am PT. It can't be both unless the game is unlocking in NZ first and other territories later, but Peeler's tweets don't indicate a staggered release.
then in that case, i don't really know what's going to happen. the prevailing information seems to be that the game goes live at midnight at new zealand time, and other quotes from robert indicate that won't be a regionalised thing.


EDIT:

just sticking this tweet here. seems to give the clearest picture of what happens.

https://twitter.com/MrHooboMaster/status/634061096995934208
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
then in that case, i don't really know what's going to happen. the prevailing information seems to be that the game goes live at midnight at new zealand time, and other quotes from robert indicate that won't be a regionalised thing.

Not even Peeler knows, it seems, haha. The game unlocking worldwide at midnight NZ local time would be great (no pre-load aside) and I hope that's the intention.
 
If I am not mistaken then the unlock times for PC will look like this:

12 PM UK time 8/31
8AM East Coast(US) 8/31
6AM Mountain Time(US) 8/31
5AM Pacific time(US, west coast) 8/31
 

Spaghetti

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If I am not mistaken then the unlock times for PC will look like this:

12 PM UK time 8/31
8AM East Coast(US) 8/31
6AM Mountain Time(US) 8/31
5AM Pacific time(US, west coast) 8/31
it's 1PM for the UK, we're on BST right now. that means 2PM CET for continental europe.
 

Godan

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So on my steam it saying that it will unlock in 5 days and 19 hours (UK) does that not mean its on 1/9 it will be and not 31/8?
 
So basically... Unlocks 1 day earlier ? :D

Yes, Robert Peeler is the community manager or something for Konami/Koji Pro(RIP) and more or less confirmed that the game's download unlock time is midnight New Zealand time which means that when it's midnight over there we can all start downloading in our own time zones.

Basically PC unlocks almost an entire day early in some cases.

it's 1PM for the UK, we're on BST right now. that means 2PM CET for continental europe.

Ahh, okay thanks for that info I'm not from there so I have no idea what your timezones are like.

Revised:

UNLOCKS 8/31 At the Corresponding times(28GB, Download only, no preload):

1 PM BST UK time 8/31
2PM CET EUROPE 8/31
8AM East Coast(US) 8/31
6AM Mountain Time(US) 8/31
5AM Pacific time(US, west coast) 8/31

So on my steam it saying that it will unlock in 5 days and 19 hours (UK) does that not mean its on 1/9 it will be and not 31/8?

Don't worry, if Peeler is to be believed it will unlock around New Zealand time.
 

DeSolos

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I want to believe, but I just can't... I've never seen a Steam game available for download effectively a full day early without even needing a VPN to download from another region.

Konami's incompetence usually doesn't result in our net gain.
 

Spaghetti

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So on my steam it saying that it will unlock in 5 days and 19 hours (UK) does that not mean its on 1/9 it will be and not 31/8?
don't take that as gospel. games have released before at different times to the unlock time on the steam store. right now the official line from the metal gear community manager is midnight NZ time global unlock.
 

Spaghetti

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It's effectively a 16-hour lead over the digital console versions.
depends entirely on your internet connection however, so for some that lead might diminish pretty significantly by the time it's downloaded. i think that's what konami is thinking with no preload but earlier launch time.
 

Spaghetti

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I wish Tora or Robert would read this thread and come clear it up for us once and for all.
we can always just tweet at them for confirmation, but i think robert is probably deliberately being vague to avoid too much of a "OMG PC USERS GET IT EARLY" narrative
 

Spaghetti

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it's likely the pc version isn't quite finished yet too. i would expect it to continually update on steamdb right up until monday.
 
depends entirely on your internet connection however, so for some that lead might diminish pretty significantly by the time it's downloaded. i think that's what konami is thinking with no preload but earlier launch time.

I'll be playing within 30-40 minutes provided everything goes smoothly, can't wait till Monday.

Konami just unlock it now pls.
 

Godan

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Yeah should be looking at maybe an hour to fully download it myself. Will give me enough time to go to the shops and get supplies for the week.
 

Aurongel

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it's likely the pc version isn't quite finished yet too. i would expect it to continually update on steamdb right up until monday.
This is my guess. It sounds like the multiplayer and PC port were coming in hot over the past month. I'm anticipating most of the bugs originating in the PC port versus the consoles.
 

Spaghetti

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Also I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about...doesn't know if the physical PC copy activates on Steam or not.
uh, he explains why he doesn't know. it's because those are being handled by konami europe. he's a US-based rep. stuff like that is regional, so i'm not surprised he doesn't know information about something that does not affect his own region.

This is my guess. It sounds like the multiplayer and PC port were coming in hot over the past month. I'm anticipating most of the bugs originating in the PC port versus the consoles.
actually i don't think we're going to have a huge problem with bugs on pc. if there was any concern about not creating a satisfying product, they wouldn't have moved the release date forward and could have just left the pc release as sept 14th/15th. moving up to sept 1st without a guarantee of the pc version being finished would have been creating a rod for their own back. the work may be going up to the wire, but i don't expect it to be much more than final checks and tweaks.
 
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