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Microsoft CEO says Black Ops 6 is the biggest Call of Duty release ever

BigLee74

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I would guess the only reason older CODs are not being released on GP is to ensure that everybody is playing the latest MP where they can make lots of money through the battlepass and store.

Which I guess sucks if you don’t have them and just want to go through the campaigns again.
 

Senua

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pasterpl

Member
Microsoft's official financial slides show that Activision is $1.3 billion in operating loss.

$75 billion in bank accounts would have generated at least an additional $3.6 billion in the last 12 months.
So this is from last financial year, not the current one, so nothing to do with this thread topic. You also forgot to add that that loss was caused/driven by various post-merger expenses. Eg. Redundancy packages etc.
 

Mattyp

Not the YouTuber
- Microsoft bought Activision for $75 billion.
- Couldn't even make their games exclusive to sell more hardware or subs.
- Now Activision is at a $1.3 billion operating loss, on top of the $75 billion they spent.

Such financial WIZARDS indeed :messenger_tears_of_joy: And such "gaming influencers" :messenger_tears_of_joy:

It might surprise you but I’m heavily invested in Microsoft stock, so please don’t use the end of last FY merging costs. Get back to us next quarter after the launch of this CoD and merger costs completely done with.

They now own the most successful video game franchise in history, you need to let that go now and embrace this Microsoft first party title nothing but peace and love 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

HUGE over 50% of Xbox players have now launched CoD in the past week, back to peak 360 lads. #WINNING.

 
It might surprise you but I’m heavily invested in Microsoft stock, so please don’t use the end of last FY merging costs. Get back to us next quarter after the launch of this CoD and merger costs completely done with.

They now own the most successful video game franchise in history, you need to let that go now and embrace this Microsoft first party title nothing but peace and love 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

HUGE over 50% of Xbox players have now launched CoD in the past week, back to peak 360 lads. #WINNING.

I own lots of MS stock also and they don't give a shit how the division performs. The only reason MS is in gaming is to make themselves look cool and not look like a Cisco etc. MS is not a sexy stock, in fact people use it every day and hate them.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
It might surprise you but I’m heavily invested in Microsoft stock, so please don’t use the end of last FY merging costs. Get back to us next quarter after the launch of this CoD and merger costs completely done with.

They now own the most successful video game franchise in history, you need to let that go now and embrace this Microsoft first party title nothing but peace and love 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

HUGE over 50% of Xbox players have now launched CoD in the past week, back to peak 360 lads. #WINNING.

"wait till next quarter" even after 4 quarters. You sure that doesn't sound like moving goalposts? 🤔 Eerily similar to "wait till next year."

What do you expect next quarters? Activision's incremental update is over this quarter. From next quarter onwards, apart from one-off spikes, it will be flat. Just like it is flat right now for the Xbox + Zenimax divisions.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
So this is from last financial year, not the current one, so nothing to do with this thread topic. You also forgot to add that that loss was caused/driven by various post-merger expenses. Eg. Redundancy packages etc.
The time period doesn't matter. The point stays valid.

MattyP was calling Microsoft "financial wizard" for buying ABK for $75 billion. I showed him that they have actually lost approx. $5 billion due to that decision. That's no small amount.
 

pasterpl

Member
"wait till next quarter" even after 4 quarters. You sure that doesn't sound like moving goalposts? 🤔 Eerily similar to "wait till next year."

What do you expect next quarters? Activision's incremental update is over this quarter. From next quarter onwards, apart from one-off spikes, it will be flat. Just like it is flat right now for the Xbox + Zenimax divisions.
Company i work from was acquired by one giant from Blackrock (who owned us previously) and we are almost 2 full fiscal years after it happened and over this summer they were finalising people element of the merger - made approx 5000 of staff redundant (in total they have let go over 7k people since the merger), some with 10+ under the belt, so had to pay out big bill for redundancy packages. This how it usually works when you go through M&A with giant companies.

How many big companies M&As have you gone through? For me it is already 4, ost while I was at multi-billion dollar companies. Do you work in financial industry etc? What is your level of knowledge of the M&A process and outcomes? Have you ever worked in company that was acquired and understand post-acquisition costs not related to company main activity?
 
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pasterpl

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The time period doesn't matter. The point stays valid.

MattyP was calling Microsoft "financial wizard" for buying ABK for $75 billion. I showed him that they have actually lost approx. $5 billion due to that decision. That's no small amount.
Oh it matters a lot…but it waste of time to even trying to explain to you, when you come here with your agenda in mind just to shit on everything MS. This is topic about how big of success was latest COD release. We should be happy that good video games are still popular and this guarantee next instalment - it is not Concord (sorry had to do it).
 
Oh it matters a lot…but it waste of time to even trying to explain to you, when you come here with your agenda in mind just to shit on everything MS. This is topic about how big of success was latest COD release. We should be happy that good video games are still popular and this guarantee next instalment - it is not Concord (sorry had to do it).

It's CoD.

It was getting made whether MS bought them or not.

Here is the original quote:

Expected, SP & MP are both a blast best in a long time.

Microsoft first party delivering.

Mattyp score 9.5/10 we need war zone. Good to see a Microsoft title lead sales with no1 title of the year again too.

"Microsoft first party delivering" just doesn't land in the context of CoD just doing what CoD does. Also not sure why it's "Good to see Microsoft title lead sales" just because they bought the studio. It's not like CoD wasn't topping charts year after year.

Start praising MS delivering if Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears, and Halo are absolute bangers that top the charts and make gamers happy. Ain't anything changed about CoD being CoD.
 
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pasterpl

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It's CoD.

It was getting made whether MS bought them or not.

Here is the original quote:



"Microsoft first party delivering" just doesn't land in the context of CoD just doing what CoD does. Also not sure why it's "Good to see Microsoft title lead sales" just because they bought the studio. It's not like CoD wasn't topping charts year after year.

Start praising MS delivering if Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears, and Halo are absolute bangers that top the charts and make gamers happy. Ain't anything changed about CoD being CoD.
Changing ownership of IP, ultimately all COD devs are now working for MS - it is a big change, yeah it is still COD - best in years - but it is not just a copy of previous games either and a big chunk of dev cost was covered by MS. Are you preparing your ground that you can say that Concord wasn’t a Sony game? So e people are listing Stellar Blade but ultimately it is not, Sony doesn’t own the studio, doesn’t own the IP, just paid for development - after deal expires devs are free to do whether they won’t with it. While COD is now fully MS series/game, fully controlled by MS, they will see COD revenues in their reports as a part of Xbox Division numbers.
 
Changing ownership of IP, ultimately all COD devs are now working for MS - it is a big change, yeah it is still COD - best in years - but it is not just a copy of previous games either and a big chunk of dev cost was covered by MS. Are you preparing your ground that you can say that Concord wasn’t a Sony game? So e people are listing Stellar Blade but ultimately it is not, Sony doesn’t own the studio, doesn’t own the IP, just paid for development - after deal expires devs are free to do whether they won’t with it. While COD is now fully MS series/game, fully controlled by MS, they will see COD revenues in their reports as a part of Xbox Division numbers.

This has nothing to do with Concord, not sure why you're bringing that up. Everyone knows it's a massive flop.

I think second party partnerships that enable new IP due to funding (like Stellar Blade) are fine to praise. They may not get made unless someone with funding steps in to make them.

CoD was always getting made. And these CoD games take many studios years to make, well before MS actually officially closed the deal for this title. As long as Microsoft doesn't ruin the IP or mismanage it into the ground, I would expect it to continue being huge thanks to the IP and nothing to do with Microsoft's brilliant management. It's essentially a yearly sports game now and the formula doesn't really have much that needs changing for their audience, they will buy it. Doesn't need a whole lot of attention as long as the studios are kept happy. They know how to make CoD games far better than MS does.
 

Mattyp

Not the YouTuber
The time period doesn't matter. The point stays valid.

MattyP was calling Microsoft "financial wizard" for buying ABK for $75 billion. I showed him that they have actually lost approx. $5 billion due to that decision. That's no small amount.

You realise they bought ABK while the shares where dumping because of all the internal drama at the time?

It would cost more than $80b to purchase ABK if it came to market tomorrow than when Microsoft purchased it.

You seem to financially think money is lost when mergers take place, this money is written down as a tax expense while getting the company integrated under the Microsoft umbrella so Microsoft takes this $5b from their tax bill off their more profitable areas. The assets of ABK they now hold are worth more than what they originally paid, they didn’t lose $5b as they saved that exact $5b elsewhere in the company. $0 loss while completing the merger and taking ownership of an appreciating asset.

‘Wait until next quarter’ so you expect ABK to run at a $1.3b loss next quarter right since nothing will change like I’m implying now the merger is complete?

The ABK sector of Microsoft will generate billions over the next FY. Next quarter will heavily be into the profit or you can have some free gold 🫶🏻
 
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Anecdotally, their SBMM hasn't created the usual "Win 1 game, face off against eSport vets" wall I've smashed into in prior years. Not sure what they changed, but it's not been issue for me at all this year. Are you still finding it too extreme?

I thought about this and my initial reply after playing last night, and then one match into tonight's gaming session.

Last night, I actually had a decent session overall and I felt placed properly. Perhaps the algorithm takes some time? I had an outright win or two, and placed top 3 and top 4 more than I felt I placed 5th or worse. I had some real airhead moments and brainless plays as usual, but I also worked some maps and thought through certain tough engagements. All of this was in HC FFA, with the exception of 3 or 4 HC TDM rounds. (I was chasing a daily challenge by buffing teammates.)

So I started to play just now, set my loadouts up for my Dailies, and then promptly killed zero players in my first match. I was wondering about SBMM and also if I needed to warm up, when suddenly a player that I shot at skipped some frames and entered the Matrix onto a train car in Derelict. He then dove back out like Bruce Willis in Die Hard and fried my ass. I then realized that every engagement I had in the match, the enemy won every time no matter who fired first. Fearing a glitched or hacked lobby (I'm on PS5), I quit the match. I don't care about wins and losses in FFA if push comes to shove. I don't like hacks and cheats in online stuff like this so I will take the loss. I can't prove that's what was happening, but it sure felt weird beyond me just playing like ass to start the night. Let's see what happens next...
 

Mobilemofo

Member
I'm immature. I know this. But I've stopped calling it Black Ops Six and resorted to just ramming (giggity) the words together calling it Black Cocks. Appropriate that this is being declared the biggest one yet...
It's quintessentially the "Courtney love" of gaming. Everyone's had a go on it, we all know the score. 😅

As an aside, I think the real value in the microsofts large purchase was King. They make a fuck load of money by themselves. Proper diamond so to speak.
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Holy shit. Matt P is confirming that there's more players on xbox or am I reading it incorrectly?
Considering that COD is one of the hottest games every year and it launched on Game Pass, and BO6 is reviewing so well, I'm pretty confident that Xbox player-count will be higher.

After all, folks are spending $70 on PS5 to play the game. On the other hand, ~20 million hardcore gamers are getting to play the game at no additional cost.
 

clarky

Gold Member
Considering that COD is one of the hottest games every year and it launched on Game Pass, and BO6 is reviewing so well, I'm pretty confident that Xbox player-count will be higher.

After all, folks are spending $70 on PS5 to play the game. On the other hand, ~20 million hardcore gamers are getting to play the game at no additional cost.
Glad to see you've come round :)
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Glad to see you've come round :)
I never raised an objection to the possibility of Xbox having more players than PS5. :) My main objection was extas1 saying that >50% of PC players are coming from Game Pass.

Now, when it comes to actual sales - the most meaningful metric - I'm equally confident that the story would be opposite. PC > PS5 (or PS5 > PC) > Xbox. The viability of only having higher player count and the lowest sales remains to be seen in the future, as we discussed before.
 

clarky

Gold Member
I never raised an objection to the possibility of Xbox having more players than PS5. :) My main objection was extas1 saying that >50% of PC players are coming from Game Pass.

Now, when it comes to actual sales - the most meaningful metric - I'm equally confident that the story would be opposite. PC > PS5 (or PS5 > PC) > Xbox. The viability of only having higher player count and the lowest sales remains to be seen in the future, as we discussed before.
Just messing mate.

I concur, mostly;)
 
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Mr Moose

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Holy shit. Matt P is confirming that there's more players on xbox or am I reading it incorrectly?
No, Mat is talking about CoD HQ, which isn't just BO6, it is MWII, III and Warzone. Two days before the launch of BO6 it was 19%, now it's 52% that launched CoD HQ. Not sure what "daily active players" means. Previously the highest for XBS was 34% in August.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
No, Mat is talking about CoD HQ, which isn't just BO6, it is MWII, III and Warzone. Two days before the launch of BO6 it was 19%, now it's 52% that launched CoD HQ. Not sure what "daily active players" means. Previously the highest for XBS was 34% in August.


Ahh.ok

I guess we can all agree that it's a huge launch. Probably the biggest it's been in years.

So we know numbers of player wise it's huge. Now we need to find out how it turns out financially. If people really care about that.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Ahh.ok

I guess we can all agree that it's a huge launch. Probably the biggest it's been in years.

So we know numbers of player wise it's huge. Now we need to find out how it turns out financially. If people really care about that.
Why wouldn't people care about that? That's the only thing that matters. Everything else is a vanity metric - especially "number of players."

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Yeah, those are one-off losses.



They certainly don’t say this every year, they’ve had games that didn’t meet expectations e.g COD Vanguard and Black Ops 3.

How does it make sense to you to call a game with its own distinct campaign a ‘reskin’?
This game is just a reskinned cold war every cod game recycle the same maps every year
 

wolffy66

Member
This really worked in your head before you typed it up?

The party taking 70% of the revenue on PlayStation, and 80% on Steam is the losing party?



Ah yes, everyone knows the typical longevity for a Call of Duty game is one month 🤡



Gamepass subscribers pay money for the subscription.
A game selling like this? You can be sure that they're all happy, Sony, MS, Steam all making bank.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Something tells me the Call of Duty franchise is at no real risk of being canned
Absolutely. COD is one of those franchises that probably would never be canned. It prints money.

But the Activision studios themselves are not impervious to lay-offs if it comes to the bottom-line of the division. It has happened before, after all.

 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Don't forget this chestnut that led to pretty much everyone at 343 getting the boot.



Halo was huge at launch tbf but it couldn't retain players. I think if they can keep delivering content for COD they will be good but it will be interesting to keep a close eye on this games performance over the next year.
 

clarky

Gold Member
Halo was huge at launch tbf but it couldn't retain players. I think if they can keep delivering content for COD they will be good but it will be interesting to keep a close eye on this games performance over the next year.
Halo was huge for about a week. If you give away the multiplayer for free then of course people will check it out, unfortunately they checked out straight after.

It was mechanically sound but devoid of content for litterally a year. And I liked the game.

COD will be fine, the content drops every six weeks to keep people interested, for free. Then you have warzone on top.

No game does it better imo.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
I don't believe them.

Next year will be the biggest ever. Then the year after that. Then after that.
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Yes, records can never be broken, once set 🙄

Next year they’ll be launching on Switch 2 day 1. Very possible we get ‘biggest ever’ PR.

Also possible that annoys a number of folks 🤣
 

StueyDuck

Member
Bold strategy... release a shitty one then the next one blows the lid.

I do wonder how many people jumped on because mw3 was so shite that this felt like a , to quote paid for bioware reviews, a return to form.

Also obviously gamepass helps
 
Changing ownership of IP, ultimately all COD devs are now working for MS - it is a big change, yeah it is still COD - best in years - but it is not just a copy of previous games either and a big chunk of dev cost was covered by MS. Are you preparing your ground that you can say that Concord wasn’t a Sony game? So e people are listing Stellar Blade but ultimately it is not, Sony doesn’t own the studio, doesn’t own the IP, just paid for development - after deal expires devs are free to do whether they won’t with it. While COD is now fully MS series/game, fully controlled by MS, they will see COD revenues in their reports as a part of Xbox Division numbers.
One of the Activision CEO's came out the other day saying nothing has changed since being acquired by Microsoft. This would be the equivalent of calling Sony a great publisher of "GAAS games" because Bungie's next game, Marathon, is a huge hit. No, Bungie is just a great developer that happened to be bought by Sony.

And Black Ops 6 was already getting 4 years of funding before Microsoft purchased Activision. There is no evidence Microsoft raised their budget. In fact, the opposite observation could be made as many layoffs hit Activision over the past year, since being acquired by Microsoft

When it comes to Stellar Blade, it literally wouldn't be the same game without Sony's intervention. They gave the necessary funds to make a AAA game
 
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