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[Kai Dracon]

Yep, they're fucking nuts. Living in an alternate reality that sounds like the feverdream of a right wing talk radio host.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Living in an alternate reality that sounds like the feverdream of a right wing talk radio host.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4FslottUKo

 

[old]

Smell that? That right there is vintage "Racist Musk"

By Tommy Hilfiger.

 

[Brian Griffin]

I read that whole thing.

Who are these people? This is like a cult! The entire thing is so surreal. I almost wish I could have been there just to experience it.

Man, I hope someone compiles all this crazy into a documentary.

They are people who would absolutely LOVE it if the federal government attacked them. It would validate their entire existence and give them an excuse to kill federal agents while becoming martyrs in the process for crazy people across the country.

They are fucking scary.

 

[Kai Dracon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4FslottUKo

Now that's some compelling cinema!

 

[Oblivion]

I have to say, I'm actually surprised most of the prominent Bundy cheerleaders bailed on the guy. I honestly thought that they would have turned this into a freedom of speech battle. Going on to attack the liberal media for being politically incorrect and all that.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I'm still struggling to come to terms that all of this is because the fuck wont pay what he owes the government.

Also, have changed stance because a black guy took a photo with him. I mean, seriously guys, how the Hell is it racist to say that black people are better off as slaves and that their problem now is that they don't know how to 'pick cotton' (i'm assuming it was a metaphor, but on reflection maybe it wasn't).

 

[Jea Song]

I think these militia guys are trying to force a conflict. It's like they want it so bad.

All those guns they want to put to use.. On People.

And notice is always a certain type of people who want to seperate from the union.

Why the fuck is slavery even mentioned in Bundy's speech?

They want a war. They want a revolution, they want the south to rise again.

And I'll be bold and say they really wouldn't mind slavery either

 

[water_wendi]

I think these militia guys are trying to force a conflict. It's like they want it so bad.

All those guns they want to put to use.. On People.

And notice is always a certain type of people who want to seperate from the union.

Why the fuck is slavery even mentioned in Bundy's speech?

They want a war. They want a revolution, they want the south to rise again.

And I'll be bold and say they really wouldn't mind slavery either

As far as im aware these militia members are nothing more than traitors inciting armed insurrection. They are not well-regulated, they operate without charge from Congress, and they do not report to the Commander in Chief. They all should be taken before court for treason.

 

[Jea Song]

As far as im aware these militia members are nothing more than traitors inciting armed insurrection. They are not well-regulated, they operate without charge from Congress, and they do not report to the Commander in Chief. They all should be taken before court for treason.

No but these men are Patriots. Just like the founding fathers. Defending their country from the Muslim king Obama.

Seriously this is how some if not all of them think.

 

[benjipwns]

Defending their country from the Muslim king Obama.

He's not the king, he wasn't born in this country.

 

[benjipwns]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqcviyBuLo

RNC communications director Sean Spicer denounced the comments from the rancher who became something of a conservative hero earlier this month during a standoff with the federal government over gazing fees.

...

"I think the comments that Mr. Bundy made with respect to race and other things were inappropriate and wrong, 100 percent out of line and not part of the discourse we need to have," Spicer said. "But that being said, what I find fascinating as the chief spokesman for the Republican Party is that when a guy has a problem with cattle grazing and has a discussion about the size of the federal government and the overreach of the federal government, makes a comment every reporter calls the Republican National Committee asking for comment."

Spicer went on to accuse the media of ignoring incidents that involved Democratic politics.

"When similar incidents happen time and time again on the left," he said, "there is zero coverage. Absolutely zero."

Spicer said there had barely been any coverage of the fact that Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn's (D) campaign had tweeted a Chicago Sun-Times column that some found offensive. The column compared blacks who supported a GOP gubernatorial candidate to Jews who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II.

"A sitting Democratic governor does anti-semitic comments that were offensive to Republicans and blacks and there was no coverage," Spicer said. "So while I am willing to call out time and time again anyone who uses inappropriate language and the RNC has frankly gotten made — time and time again we are asked for student council elections to county officials to other officials when similar incidents happen on the left there is zero coverage."

Spicer stressed again and again that the GOP was being too closely linked with Bundy and his comments.

"The issue with Cliven Bundy has absolutely nothing to do with his party, zero," Spicer said. "He is a Nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made some inappropriate comments about what every Republican needs to answer for. That's absolutely ridiculous."

 

[sangreal]

Lol they actually dredged up Alan Keyes to defend him. I don't want to link it since it's on wnd

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Try the official history textbooks in Texas.

I'm surprised more people aren't concentrating on this. I did a research project on it last year, and it only got more and more despicable the the deeper I went.

 

[hipbabboom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4FslottUKo

This is some evil shit.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

On point. Perfect.

 

[polyh3dron]

How has this become such a big deal? Is it really that shocking for a right wing tea party nutcase type person to make racist comments? Because I could've sworn it's happened like every other day since Obama started running for POTUS.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I'm surprised more people aren't concentrating on this. I did a research project on it last year, and it only got more and more despicable the the deeper I went.

There was a wonderful documentary on PBS I think last year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBpCNyq2ZM

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/revisionaries/

Yah was PBS.

Some of it was Evolution/science education, but the glaring portions to me dealt with revisionism with regard to Jefferson, slavery, etc.

Seems like it is on Netflix to stream...re watching it now.

 

[Monocle]

As a friend of the Negro, the Savage, the Oriental, and all other Peoples of sloped brow and coarse nature, I vouchsafe my full confidence in Mr. Cliven Bundy, a true patriot who bears in his breast a fatherly esteem for the Lower Races, though the neoliberal pigs of the Zionist media would twist his words to serve their ungodly ends.

 

[Fusebox]

As a friend of the Negro, the Savage, the Oriental, and all other Peoples of sloped brow and coarse nature, I vouchsafe my full confidence in Mr. Cliven Bundy, a true patriot who bears in his breast a fatherly esteem for the Lower Races, though the neoliberal pigs of the Zionist media would twist his words to serve their ungodly ends.

Sublime.

 

[LegendofJoe]

I think this level of anger at the federal government is justified, unfortunately it's just horribly misplaced. Our government is bought and paid for and no longer represents our best interests, civil disobedience is completely justified at this point. Not in the form of what Bundy is doing though, peaceful resistance is much more effective.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I think this level of anger at the federal government is justified, unfortunately it's just horribly misplaced. Our government is bought and paid for and no longer represents our best interests, civil disobedience is completely justified at this point. Not in the form of what Bundy is doing though, peaceful resistance is much more effective.

Agreed.
I don't quite understand why Cliven Bundy isn't a sympathetic figure to the left. Apart from his tangential musings that the country would be better off with a return to slavery and his obvious support of 2nd Amendment rights, this situation is the perfect example of the overreaction of government and the militarization of law enforcement agencies to the point that we are now living in a police state. The man woke up one day, his wife served him a southwest-style breakfast, opened the door to his home and was on his way to milk the chickens and cows and was suddenly face to face with 200 members of a paramilitary force sitting on a ridge overlooking his house. Dozens of snipers had a bead on his head as he slowly backed himself into the house. Bald eagles across the country cried out that morning in unison. All of this because he hasn't paid a bill. Fuck. If he worked for the IRS, he'd be rewarded with bonuses.

 

[The Technomancer]

Agreed.
I don't quite understand why Cliven Bundy isn't a sympathetic figure to the left. Apart from his tangential musings that the country would be better off with a return to slavery and his obvious support of 2nd Amendment rights, this situation is the perfect example of the overreaction of government and the militarization of law enforcement agencies to the point that we are now living in a police state. The man woke up one day, his wife served him a southwest-style breakfast, opened the door to his home and was on his way to milk the chickens and cows and was suddenly face to face with 200 members of a paramilitary force sitting on a ridge overlooking his house. Dozens of snipers had a bead on his head as he slowly backed himself into the house. Bald eagles across the country cried out that morning in unison. All of this because he hasn't paid a bill. Fuck. If he worked for the IRS, he'd be rewarded with bonuses.

...after twenty years of non-compliance up to and including receiving a court order to pay for the land he was using.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I think this level of anger at the federal government is justified, unfortunately it's just horribly misplaced. Our government is bought and paid for and no longer represents our best interests, civil disobedience is completely justified at this point. Not in the form of what Bundy is doing though, peaceful resistance is much more effective.

No it's not. They are not practicing civil disobedience. They are committing felonies that would cause other people to die. It's not justified to aim loaded weapons at federal agents. It's not okay to use women as human shields. It's not okay to use public lands for your business and refuse to pay. It's not okay to hide behind anger at the government to hide your theft and greed. It's not okay to pay into a system that all your colleagues do, then refuse to pay when the majority of your colleagues thinks it's fair. It's not okay to blame others for collecting a government subsidy that you have used and now refuse to pay and use because he is cheap.

All of this is manufactured anger over false issues that have no place in this discussion. And this is not even close to civil disobedience. They brought guns in hope for a catastrophe. They are terrorists and I'm glad they got called out for this crap.

 

[……forgetit]

Agreed.
I don't quite understand why Cliven Bundy isn't a sympathetic figure to the left. Apart from his tangential musings that the country would be better off with a return to slavery and his obvious support of 2nd Amendment rights, this situation is the perfect example of the overreaction of government and the militarization of law enforcement agencies to the point that we are now living in a police state. The man woke up one day, his wife served him a southwest-style breakfast, opened the door to his home and was on his way to milk the chickens and cows and was suddenly face to face with 200 members of a paramilitary force sitting on a ridge overlooking his house. Dozens of snipers had a bead on his head as he slowly backed himself into the house. Bald eagles across the country cried out that morning in unison. All of this because he hasn't paid a bill. Fuck. If he worked for the IRS, he'd be rewarded with bonuses.

Not sure if sarcasm.....the feds told him they'd repo his cattle if they were on the land, he threatened with armed violence, so they had to hire federal agents to protect the civilian contractors rounding up the cattle, this guy theatened to shoot and kill not only federal agents, but also innocent contractors just doing their jobs, what the hell would you have done?

 

[danwarb]

...after twenty years of non-compliance up to and including receiving a court order to pay for the land he was using.

..they took the cows. Then he turns up with an armed militia and demands.

 

[Amir0x]

At this point I am beyond confused as to what the Republicans were ever taking a stand for here. Are they now for anarchy? I don't get any of this. Now they're surprised they've supported a fucking open racist, and that's what made their support misguided? That was just the cherry! None of this even makes sense! Do they even stop for a second to think about the causes they are supporting other than "well, iffin' it puts us in opposition of the FED'RAL GUBMENT, then it's ok by me!"

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

At this point I am beyond confused as to what the Republicans were ever taking a stand for here. Are they now for anarchy? I don't get any of this. Now they're surprised they've supported a fucking open racist, and that's what made their support misguided? That was just the cherry! None of this even makes sense! Do they even stop for a second to think about the causes they are supporting other than "well, iffin' it puts us in opposition of the FED'RAL GUBMENT, then it's ok by me!"

Its seems that they're so in love with the idea of an innocent farmer sticking it to the man that their minds are just glossing over all the damning details.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

At this point I am beyond confused as to what the Republicans were ever taking a stand for here. Are they now for anarchy? I don't get any of this. Now they're surprised they've supported a fucking open racist, and that's what made their support misguided? That was just the cherry! None of this even makes sense! Do they even stop for a second to think about the causes they are supporting other than "well, iffin' it puts us in opposition of the FED'RAL GUBMENT, then it's ok by me!"

The modern conservative movement (and many will disagree with this) is firmly rooted in the belief of white supremacy.

 

[speculawyer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqcviyBuLo

RNC communications director Sean Spicer ...

"The issue with Cliven Bundy has absolutely nothing to do with his party, zero," Spicer said. "He is a Nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made some inappropriate comments about what every Republican needs to answer for. That's absolutely ridiculous."

So . . . is the official position of the GOP that you don't have to pay the Federal government when you use Federal land?

 

[Baraka in the White House]

So . . . is the official position of the GOP that you don't have to pay the Federal government when you use Federal land?

Something something, proportionality.

 

[kaching]

I think this level of anger at the federal government is justified, unfortunately it's just horribly misplaced. Our government is bought and paid for and no longer represents our best interests, civil disobedience is completely justified at this point. Not in the form of what Bundy is doing though, peaceful resistance is much more effective.

If anyone's got reason to be angry at the government in this case, it's the taxpayers who've had to subsidize this guy's grazing fees for the 20+ years he's been mooching off the system. Cliven Bundy actually has very little to complain about, considering: the fees he's been asked to pay per cow-calf pair have barely changed in more than 40 yrs and have remained much lower than the typical grazing fees charged by private land owners. If that was privately owned land where he was grazing his cattle, he'd probably owe closer to 10 million by now, rather than a million.

 

[speculawyer]

Something something, proportionality.

Proportionality . . . LOL. The guy didn't pay his fees for 2 decades!

And as kaching pointed out . . . the government wasn't being proportional . . . they were actually giving him a hugely subsidized rate:

If anyone's got reason to be angry at the government in this case, it's the taxpayers who've had to subsidize this guy's grazing fees for the 20+ years he's been mooching off the system. Cliven Bundy actually has very little to complain about, considering: the fees he's been asked to pay per cow-calf pair have barely changed in more than 40 yrs and have remained much lower than the typical grazing fees charged by private land owners. If that was privately owned land where he was grazing his cattle, he'd probably owe closer to 10 million by now, rather than a million.

 

[RoninChaos]

Its seems that they're so in love with the idea of an innocent farmer sticking it to the man that their minds are just glossing over all the damning details.

The ironic part is the reason corporations and the government have so much power is BECAUSE of republicans. They are "THE MAN". Bush was the poster boy for government expansion.

 

[Valhelm]

The ironic part is the reason corporations and the government have so much power is BECAUSE of republicans. They are "THE MAN". Bush was the poster boy for government expansion.

But he opposed the PC liberal empire, so he's a good common man.

 

[Chumly]

I think this level of anger at the federal government is justified, unfortunately it's just horribly misplaced. Our government is bought and paid for and no longer represents our best interests, civil disobedience is completely justified at this point. Not in the form of what Bundy is doing though, peaceful resistance is much more effective.

Are you serious or joking? How on earth is this anger at the federal government justified? I am guessing you would be one of those people that would be yelling at those fraudulent food stamp users and yet when someone steals for 20 fucking years from the government and hes anti government its fuck the government? we should have peaceful resistance?

 

[LegendofJoe]

Are you serious or joking? How on earth is this anger at the federal government justified? I am guessing you would be one of those people that would be yelling at those fraudulent food stamp users and yet when someone steals for 20 fucking years from the government and hes anti government its fuck the government? we should have peaceful resistance?

Bundy doesn't have any legs to stand on with his dispute against the federal government, I wasn't trying to say that he did. I was trying to make a broader point that many more people should be just as angry as Bundy is at the state of our governance.

 

[Mighty Chin]

As a friend of the Negro, the Savage, the Oriental, and all other Peoples of sloped brow and coarse nature, I vouchsafe my full confidence in Mr. Cliven Bundy, a true patriot who bears in his breast a fatherly esteem for the Lower Races, though the neoliberal pigs of the Zionist media would twist his words to serve their ungodly ends.

When I pass this on to other people I will give you due credit. Thank you sir.

 

[Sneds]

As a friend of the Negro, the Savage, the Oriental, and all other Peoples of sloped brow and coarse nature, I vouchsafe my full confidence in Mr. Cliven Bundy, a true patriot who bears in his breast a fatherly esteem for the Lower Races, though the neoliberal pigs of the Zionist media would twist his words to serve their ungodly ends.

I don't think the people you're satirising would know what neoliberalism is. If they did then they'd be in favour of it.

 

[zero shift]

So people say that the reason why Bundy is mad is because he and other ranchers got shortchanged in the 90s, when the government decided to use the land in question to protect the endangered desert tortoise, ending cattle grazing in exchange for allowing private developers to destroy other tortoise habitats.

 

[Trouble]

Not sure if sarcasm.....the feds told him they'd repo his cattle if they were on the land, he threatened with armed violence, so they had to hire federal agents to protect the civilian contractors rounding up the cattle, this guy theatened to shoot and kill not only federal agents, but also innocent contractors just doing their jobs, what the hell would you have done?

No, just sub-par trolling.

 

[kaching]

Bundy doesn't have any legs to stand on with his dispute against the federal government, I wasn't trying to say that he did. I was trying to make a broader point that many more people should be just as angry as Bundy is at the state of our governance.

So, something something, false equivalence?

And Bundy isn't actually angry at the "state of our governance" because he claims not to actually believe in it in the first place. He's Mr. Sovereign Island in the Stream, Eff You I Got Mine. It's in no small part because of people like him that our governance is in the state that it's in.

 

[Tripon]

So people say that the reason why Bundy is mad is because he and other ranchers got shortchanged in the 90s, when the government decided to use the land in question to protect the endangered desert tortoise, ending cattle grazing in exchange for allowing private developers to destroy other tortoise habitats.

The other ranchers paid the fees.

 

[Chumly]

Bundy doesn't have any legs to stand on with his dispute against the federal government, I wasn't trying to say that he did. I was trying to make a broader point that many more people should be just as angry as Bundy is at the state of our governance.

No offense but I don't understand what your talking about. Can you expand or clarify? What state of our governance are we supposed to be marching in the streets about?

 

[Pelydr]

Bundy doesn't have any legs to stand on with his dispute against the federal government, I wasn't trying to say that he did. I was trying to make a broader point that many more people should be just as angry as Bundy is at the state of our governance.

Oh shit we got a sovereign citizen here! No, really, tell us why we should be so upset at the state of our governance?

 

[LegendofJoe]

No offense but I don't understand what your talking about. Can you expand or clarify? What state of our governance are we supposed to be marching in the streets about?

Sure, the rampant corporate lobbying that more or less writes all legislation for starters. The fact that gerrymandering has upended the democratic process and ensures that less votes leads to more representation. The fact that wages have been stagnant for decades and the average worker has very few rights or protections. The fact that wealth taxes are absurdly low and in effect the well off pay less than half the tax rate that everyone else does. The fact that these absurd tax rates are the primary reason we have large annual deficits that are in turn used to justify cuts to programs that help the poor? I could go on for days. Our government is shit, anyone that says otherwise has their eyes closed to reality.

 

[zero shift]

The other ranchers paid the fees.

Yeah but the argument is that it was wrong for the government to take that area because they took the good land where the tortoise lived but not the bad land.

 

[speculawyer]

Bundy doesn't have any legs to stand on with his dispute against the federal government, I wasn't trying to say that he did. I was trying to make a broader point that many more people should be just as angry as Bundy is at the state of our governance.

What does that even mean?

Someone steals from the government for 20 years so they are out of line by taking his cattle?

I've never been able to see any point to this.

The government is bad because they have guns? That's because his militia has guns.

 

[Chumly]

Sure, the rampant corporate lobbying that more or less writes all legislation for starters. The fact that gerrymandering has upended the democratic process and ensures that less votes leads to more representation. The fact that wages have been stagnant for decades and the average worker has very few rights or protections. The fact that wealth taxes are absurdly low and in effect the well off pay less than half the tax rate that everyone else does. The fact that these absurd tax rates are the primary reason we have large annual deficits that are in turn used to justify cuts to programs that help the poor? I could go on for days. Our government is shit, anyone that says otherwise has their eyes closed to reality.

Well I certainly agree with you on many points. Your original post seemed to be going in the opposite direction

 

[Pelydr]

Sure, the rampant corporate lobbying that more or less writes all legislation for starters. The fact that gerrymandering has upended the democratic process and ensures that less votes leads to more representation. The fact that wages have been stagnant for decades and the average worker has very few rights or protections. The fact that wealth taxes are absurdly low and in effect the well off pay less than half the tax rate that everyone else does. The fact that these absurd tax rates are the primary reason we have large annual deficits that are in turn used to justify cuts to programs that help the poor? I could go on for days. Our government is shit, anyone that says otherwise has their eyes closed to reality.

Ok, so nothing to do with why Bundy isn't paying his taxes?