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Nevada Rancher and Right Wing Hero Cliven Bundy Says Some Things About 'The Negro'
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smokeandmirrors
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if i wish hard enough that the federal government doesn't exist does that make it true.
also what happened to those supporting this guy here? Those who were "in the militia" I wanna know how they feel now.
also what happened to those supporting this guy here? Those who were "in the militia" I wanna know how they feel now.
Lv99 Slacker
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Posse comitatus. The core of his ideology. It's thoroughly explained in this Maddow clip: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...t-context-missed-in-rancher-hype-236481603620
speculawyer
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Never fails.
It is amazing what The Simpsons writers are able to get away with considering they are on the Fox network. But I guess as long as the ratings are there, the money is still green.
Red Mage
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And you ignored the part of my post that explained that. It's not a hive mind, it's just propagandists earning their money.
No, it hasn't. Have we really gotten to the point where someone complaining about how high their taxes are is suspected of being racist? Also, while racists love to cry foul about the federal government, they feel free to abuse it when they're in power. There are people who disagree with giving excessive power to the government BECAUSE they want to avoid such abuse. I do not think it's fair to lump anyone complaining about the federal government with racists.
speculawyer
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It is a very interesting view into the psychology though. They've got amazing ways of rationalization their own theft/subsidies as patriotic but those subsidies to brown people are because they are lazy no-good moochers.
And it makes it easier to understand why they can believe nonsensical things like 'Cutting taxes always raise government revenue!'. And 'Climate change can't be happening because god would not allow that!'
onadesertedisland
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The organized groups that use illegitimacy of the government as rationale for not paying taxes have been linked to racist origins.
PhoenixDark
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Propagandists earning their money by fostering a hive mind, one agenda to another.
Red Mage
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Illegitimacy of the government isn't the same thing as Federal government overstepping it's bounds. That's like saying pro-enviromental beliefs are linked to terrorism due to the likes of the Unibomber or ELF.
Who gets money from creating false equivalencies?
Yes, that can be a factor as well, and when the noise one side chooses to generate goes against the brand they supposedly espouse, it's rather telling about what their genuine intent is. There is still a general trajectory that transcends whatever brand they're trying to hurt at the moment.
Deified Data
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Never miss a chance to gush about Rachel Maddow. Every time I hear her go off on a seemingly pointless tangent I'm all like "Oh boy, this is going to wrap up perfectly in the end". The only talking head I have no problem referring to as a journalist.
PhoenixDark
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I'm sure you're familiar with the various money schemes on the right in which direct mailing lists and ridiculous donations fill the pockets of right wing talking heads and PACs.
Dick Morris is still making bank off that shit, despite embarrassing himself in 2012.
shadowsdarknes
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They do.
Have you ever come across a car with a dozen NRA, NObama, don't Re-Nig, Don't tread on me bumper stickers?
It's quite crazy.
I wouldn't immediately assume that a small government fan is inherently racist, but there's sadly a very strong correlation. I've found that many of the supposed fans of 'small government' really don't care too much about whether government is small or not; they're more concerned about government services going to the wrong people. I rarely hear about excessive defense spending or corporate kickbacks - the complaints I hear are always about 'those people' getting excess welfare or other government services. And 'those people' are never, EVER white.
Dreams-Visions
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Thanks for posting.
Red Mage
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Oh, I agree, which is why I said that when they get into power, the racists then feel free to abuse it for then own ends. However, vague generalizations are always very damaging to any kind of rational discussion.
onadesertedisland
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While generalizations of this type are sometimes not conducive to discussion, I think it is difficult to converse while tiptoeing around what is a very common characteristic of radical small government proponents. Debating with those folks seems to usually have tinges of some strange thought processes evolved from a dark place.
I thought I had met one of these elusive non-racist small government "libertarian" types at my last job. Then one day he asserted that a race war was underway because of one white dude getting beat up and the assailants allegedly saying 'this is for Treyvon'.
The Technomancer
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speculawyer
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One thing that is extra sad about that view is that even if you cut off all that spending that they don't like (welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, etc.) it would not magically bring a balanced budget. That stuff just isn't the huge stuff. The big stuff is medicare, defense, social security,etc. So their racists views can't really even be justified as being just super fiscal conservative.
Omegasquash
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WTF at the bolded. Don't tread on me is all over NH because it's their state motto, but fuck me if I've ever seen anything THAT blatantly racist. But I live in New England, so...
This is a really good segment. Maybe I should start watching Maddow at some point.
Did he look like this?
A little, actually.
because if you go any higher you're into the state government, which at the time was "compromised" by Reconstruction
also county officials make more sense than city or town officials for rural areas
freenudemacusers
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hah yeah I know, it just seems like a totally arbitrary thing to hold onto now.
I want to see what these custom IDs look like. I bet it's a trip.
The people defending him on various Facbook feeds I've seen are hilarious.
Everything from "He didn't mean it" to "The Libertards are just twisting his words" to "Well he isn't wrong" to "Stop shifting the story away from the big bad guberment trying to take our land and guns!!11"
Ugh
Everything from "He didn't mean it" to "The Libertards are just twisting his words" to "Well he isn't wrong" to "Stop shifting the story away from the big bad guberment trying to take our land and guns!!11"
Ugh
NYCmetsfan
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Gone with the Wind.
speculawyer
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I'm not a big TV guy but her show is available on podcast so I often listen to it while doing housework or going for a run.
There are a bunch.
I've seen the One Big Mistake thing but I've never seen the "we should have picked our own cotton" quote below it. That's a damn shame.
Very informative.
Great Poster
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A-fucking-men. Overt racism is the BEST racism (if such a thing can be said). I wish there was no racism, that we lived in a Star Trek era utopia, but this shit has gone on since the first "tribe" did some shit to another tribe because they were different. Our progression towards global human unity is a LOOOOONG way off. Before we will ever get out of this mode of subjugating one another based on (outward) differences, we're going to have to go through some period akin to medieval era enlightenment as a species.
zero shift
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I've been reading about this guy and still don't understand. So he has some property and he refuses to pay any property taxes for it?
speculawyer
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It really is part of the genius of the First Amendment. Let the kooks & nuts publicly talk about their crazy theories all they want. Not only does it make it much easier for you to avoid them but it makes it much easier for law enforcement people to track them. You damn well know that someone is tracking some of the crazy people that post on places like Stormfront. And there is nothing even questionable about doing that . . . it is all public discussion so they can't complain about being watched.
He has cattle that are grazing on federal land and he refuses to pay the grazing tax because the US is not a recognized nation and negroes or some crazy shit.
speculawyer
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No.
He is a rancher and to ranch you really need massive amounts of land for your cattle to graze or you have to provide them with lots of feed. The government owns massive amounts of land in Nevada and other states and allows ranchers to graze their animals on the Federal land as long as they pay a subsidized grazing fee (it is below private market rates). But for some crazy paranoid conspiracy theory reason, he doesn't think he should even pay that subsidized rate and thus has been grazing his cattle on Federal land for decades without paying any grazing fee.
He is basically a thief . . . and thus many of us have been dumbfounded about how he somehow became a hero on the right.
Edit: It wasn't surprising that he was a hero on the FAR-right . . . he's an old white rancher guy fighting against the Federal gubmint. That's cat-nip for them and they'll jump on it even when the guy is a criminal like David Koresh or the guy from the Ruby Ridge incident. But it was a bit crazy to see the more mainstream right, like Fox News & various elected Republicans, back him. But I guess that is evidence of how far right the GOP has moved.
No. He is grazing his cattle on government land (not his land) and not paying the fees/taxes associated with doing so. He doesn't believe the federal government exists so it can't own land.
(I believe some of it was protected land due to some endangered turtle so it was actually a fine and some federal grazing land which requires a payment to use but I am not certain on the particulars). The costs total over $1 million dollars I believe
GraveRobberX
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Usually those jaw dropping moments people post is just a post to give you the outlook that their jaw was open
Reading that bullshit, my jaw was open and my brain was like, "what the fuck did you just read?"
Crazy people still have this much hate in them, good thing time will remove this hate... hopefully!
Reading that bullshit, my jaw was open and my brain was like, "what the fuck did you just read?"
Crazy people still have this much hate in them, good thing time will remove this hate... hopefully!
onadesertedisland
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Big scary gub'ment was seizing his cattle for non-payment. Crazy rancher pulled the sovereign card, crazier libertarians took up his cause. Republican media took up the story as a way to paint government as overreaching.
Rancher shows true colors, Rand Paul realizes the giant turd he stepped in and backs away slowly.
Rancher shows true colors, Rand Paul realizes the giant turd he stepped in and backs away slowly.
BadAss2961
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Hannity fucked up so bad. He's been backing this dude's story for weeks, then this happens. Now Fox has to dance all over the place. lol
Not really. I doubt his audience cares that he was promoting a racist. I am sure 90% of them agree with Bundy about us "Negroes."
All this really does is give opponents of Hannity more ammo about him associating with racists. First Hal Turner and now Bundy, but he'll just shrug it off and lie like he always does.
I was listening to his radio show during the drive back and Hannity was playing old clips from Hurrican Katrina, and other famous disaster events. His implication is that he's really an American patriot, and its the federal government that is racist.
As one might say, Hannity was laying it on a bit thick. I think this whole Bundy ep scared the shit out of him because he know how bad he screwed up.
Oh wow, I completely forgot about good old Hal Turner.
AstroNut325
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I haven't followed this idiot or what he did. But did he really claim that the US is not a recognized nation?
If yes... WOW! How stupid can one person be? And this is on top of his 1814 thinking on slavery!
Empyrean Heaven
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We have machines to do it now.
thezerofire
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You should scroll up to the Rachel Maddow link, she does a very good job of summing this whole thing up
BadAss2961
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She's had a number of impressive segments like this. She always gets to the root of things and breaks it down really well.
I often watch Fox News for shits and giggles, so i'm even more blown away by her reports.
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