NYCmetsfan
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Jeez, MLK jr. Do your job.
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Nevada Rancher and Right Wing Hero Cliven Bundy Says Some Things About 'The Negro'
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Jeez, MLK jr. Do your job.
Wow.
GotEmRunnin
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Doc's dream was for us to not be offended when names are used in a demeaning and derogatory form? Got it.
Yeah, MLK, what the fuck.
mugurumakensei
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"Those people"
"Negro"
"MLK isn't doing his job"
I think we should lay off guys. He's clearly not racist.
NYCmetsfan
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That Calf is dead BTW
This man just might be senile. Which brings into question how a senile man was able to start a crazy ass movement.
I enjoy the this coming from Bunkerville. Seems appropriate.
Omegasquash
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My wife saw my watching Maddow once and told me that she understands why I like her so much....she's always on point. I find if laughable that people can compare her views to those of some Fox "News" folks by means of polarization...she's educated and builds her arguments based on facts.
The CNN interview
It's amazingly incoherent. This is something you'd expect from a crazy man on the street.
It's amazingly incoherent. This is something you'd expect from a crazy man on the street.
NYCmetsfan
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Dude is insane. But his ramblings is the id of millions in this country. Hannity shouldn't be able to walk away from this man.
PhoenixDark
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Fox already did damage by legitimizing him. With respect to slavery, how many times has Fox hosted conservatives who make the same general argument about blacks being on the "liberal plantation," blacks being enslaved to an ideology, comparing the struggles of black conservatives to escaped slaves, etc. Sarah Palin has often argued the debt of the US government is like slavery for all citizens. This rhetoric isn't regulated to the fringe, it's on the right in multiple corners.
The problem now is that this has become a race issue, and will only make Bundy supporters even more mad. His cattle are going to be taken eventually, and there might be bloodshed. And those extremists who were getting incited daily by Fox have simply moved to Info Wars and fringe right wing sites that are now accusing Fox of bowing to the PC police. A showdown is inevitable.
Also Harry Reid needs to shut the fuck up. His comments seem like instigation and have no place in this. This should not be a political issue.
The problem now is that this has become a race issue, and will only make Bundy supporters even more mad. His cattle are going to be taken eventually, and there might be bloodshed. And those extremists who were getting incited daily by Fox have simply moved to Info Wars and fringe right wing sites that are now accusing Fox of bowing to the PC police. A showdown is inevitable.
Also Harry Reid needs to shut the fuck up. His comments seem like instigation and have no place in this. This should not be a political issue.
onadesertedisland
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These people really hate taxes.
onadesertedisland
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It's like getting caught with a hand in the cookie jar, when as before they only had crumbs around their mouths.
It's not a "aha" moment for observers, more of a fucking finally, stop lying about your motives, at least don't be a fucking coward when you're going to be a piece of shit.
It's not a "aha" moment for observers, more of a fucking finally, stop lying about your motives, at least don't be a fucking coward when you're going to be a piece of shit.
Red Mage
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...wait, what? I'm pretty sure the guy's just a racist jerk and is opening his mouth.
Listen, Political-GAF, the Other Side (no matter which one you belong to) generally doesn't send out memos to their radio, TV, etc. supporters on what to say. There's no conspiracy or hive mind at work. What DOES happen is that both groups have spin doctors who'll start sending people out to try and sway or change the discussion, both online and on shows (think MS' XBOne shenaningans on here, etc.)
However, I do want to comment on your mention Reid. You say the term "Negro" isn't a problem, but what comes afterwards. Are you saying that there wasn't anything wrong with Reid claiming that Obama only has a "Negro dialect" when he so chooses?
I'm not bring this up to attack Reid or defend this Bundy guy. I'm just surprised you're basically saying that being racist is okay as long as the person either meant it as a compliment or because they belong to the political party you like. Either one is outrageous.
PhoenixDark
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You missed my point, and my following posts. The initial outrage over Reid focused on him using the word negro. That word in of itself shouldn't be the issue, it should be what follows: dialect, specifically "negro dialect." Reid basically said Obama doesn't talk or act black, which is the problem. What does talking black, or acting black mean? If both are distasteful doesn't that mean talking and acting white is ideal/proper?
It's a long standing stereotype and was indeed ugly, as I have said before in this very thread. I don't care that Reid said negro. My problem is his stereotypes which are pretty ugly. Go hang around a trailer park in the south. Do those white people " talk white?"
It is a political issue. Republicans have been stoking this shit for decades. Harry Reid is fucking mad about it. So am I.
Black Republican
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Alot of liberal whites think just like Reid im not really surprised about the dialect comment.
Because the militia idiots aren't very discerning when it comes to picking a person to rally around.
smokeandmirrors
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It's fascinating how the political ideology for one side in this country can come from one borderline (or completely) senile man AND have it appeal to millions of fucking people...
because he's fucking insane that's why
This really made me laugh for some reason. Thanks.
onadesertedisland
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His beliefs about the government spawn from a racist group.
onadesertedisland
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He says what some think and want to say, but can get away with it because he's old.
Red Mage
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I used to be huge into politics, and the outrage had little to do with the use of the word "Negro." It was the term "Negro Dialect" and calling him "Light skinned" as a compliment. It's the same reason Biden caught so much flak over saying Obama was "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."
I don't even understand why you brought it up in this thread. Yeah, there's going to be people who point out what Reid said before, now that he's criticizing the guy, but that's because people generally dislike hypocrites. A lot on the Right will pick it up because it's an easy way for one side to not have to think too deeply about their own side doing crappy things. ("BUT YOUR GUY DID IT TOO!") Both sides love to deflect negative attention this way.
My point, which you seemed to have missed (= P) is that neither party operates as a hive mind. You created the distraction by trying to premptively counter what you figured would be the Right's counter-attack.
Most nuts who don't believe in the Federal government at all (not the limited fed folks but the no fed folks) likely form those beliefs from reading white supremacy pamphlets. So his tax policy and racist policy is all part of a single political policy.
It's telling that anyone on the right took up Bundy's "cause" in the first place. This is just a guy who's been herding his cattle on property that isn't his, but since the property in question belongs to the Federal Govt., well that's a cause establishment conservatives can get behind because the only thing they truly seem to believe in is tearing down our democracy and framing the govt. for all the woes of the nation, at the behest of their corporate financiers.
And none of the conservative politicians talking about this will denounce their government-paid salaries or benefits.
NYCmetsfan
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This is from a Right Wing author. That's what their thinking is. Its really morbid
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/25/why-we-made-cliven-bundy-a-folk-hero/
Yup. That Rachel Maddow segment really did a great job connecting the dots so to speak.
It is not a coincidence Bundy and his supporters are all big in sheriff authority superseding federal authority.
shadowsdarknes
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Rachel Maddow is fucking awesome. Great video.
Red Mage
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They most likely took it up because he was conflict with a Democratic President's 'government.' It's the same reason so many on the left stopped bringing up Afgahnistan, drones, and torture once Bush was out of office. In politics, a lot of the noise that's generated is just to try and hurt the other brand.
The strangest thing about that article is the vast list of comments below it with readers arguing that Bundy isn't racist. I do find this attitude to be really unbelievable. As someone who grew up in the rural south, I can't tell you how many times I heard people say, "I'm not racist. I just don't like n******."
Operations
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Why hasn't he been imprisoned yet? Hasn't he lost all possible court cases.and exhausted all legal options regarding the unpaid taxes?
Because arguments for lower taxes and less federal interference in state affairs have been intrinsically linked with arguments for white supremacy in America for hundreds of years.
PhoenixDark
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I specifically remember mainstream and conservative media treating Reid's use of the word "negro" as if he had said the n word. With respect to bringing up Reid, the comparison was obvious to me, and lo and behold:
http://danaloeschradio.com/cliven-bundys-remark/
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/24/r...r-saying-negro-condemns-rancher-for-comments/
It was indeed part of the right's counter attack. The one thing I miscalculated was how fast the mainstream right (Fox, senators, RNC, etc) would retreat from Bundy. I fully expected them to do what they usually do: deflect. "What Bundy said is unfortunate but how come no one complained when Reid said the same thing."
There is indeed a hive mind on the left and the right. The right has been focusing on Reid for the last few weeks, just as liberal sites have been focusing on the Kochs for weeks; before that, liberal sites and MSNBC were doing 24/7 Christie "Bridge-Gate" coverage, including Maddow and her elaborately false theories/accusations.
Looks like he finally got his media training.
onadesertedisland
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I was once on a jury with one of the Republic of Texas nutters. The guy kept disconnecting the water meter to get free water. He had multiple chances to just pay the bill. Instead he spent half a year in jail until his trial because he couldn't bond out. When his trial came up he was pro se and had no case aside from the government was not legitimate. I felt sorry for him, not because he had a good position, I saw a man with mental illness that was untreated and going to be punished for a crazy ideology.
We only HAVE taxes because the Northern Government of Aggression uses them to give black women Cadillacs and abortions and money for the many, many kids they don't abort for some reason.
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