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[FunkMiller]

it could mean hardship and poverty for them if they don't get that gas

Honestly? Tough shit.

Countries like Greece underwent severe economic hardship and austerity during the Euro crisis at the behest of Germany. Germany and Austria could, and should, undergo the same hardships in order to spike Putin’s war machine.

They would survive. Yes, with heavily weakened economies, but that’s the price you pay for cozying up to Putin. A price they don’t want to pay, no matter how many lives it could potentially save.

 

[rofif]

Honestly? Tough shit.

Countries like Greece underwent severe economic hardship and austerity during the Euro crisis at the behest of Germany. Germany and Austria could, and should, undergo the same hardships in order to spike Putin’s war machine.

They would survive. Yes, with heavily weakened economies, but that’s the price you pay for cozying up to Putin. A price they don’t want to pay, no matter how many lives it could potentially save.

but why?
Why do they have to care?
The amount of economic crysis that could start would not be equal to "we showed dem russians haha! stick that fuel up your ass".
It's not worth it probably especially for a country that does not care.

 

[Ironbunny]

Soft White Underbelly interview and portrait of Lady and Olena, Ukrainian refugees now living in Las Vegas, Nevada. You can read the trauma from their faces. Really no need for words.

 

[FunkMiller]

but why?
Why do they have to care?
The amount of economic crysis that could start would not be equal to "we showed dem russians haha! stick that fuel up your ass".
It's not worth it probably especially for a country that does not care.

Why do they have to care?

It’s not worth it??

People are being slaughtered in Ukraine. Are you seriously suggesting that Germany and Austria, given their dark histories, shouldn’t care about that?

 

[rofif]

Why do they have to care?

It’s not worth it??

People are being slaughtered in Ukraine. Are you seriously suggesting that Germany and Austria, given their dark histories, shouldn’t care about that?

That's naive thinking.
After all what is most important is to care for your own citizens and no gas would most likely ruin their livelyhood.
So there is no logical reason to cut of the gas sadly. You don't destroy your own economics just for the principle. At least not without other gas source

 

[Patrick S.]

Why do they have to care?

It’s not worth it??

People are being slaughtered in Ukraine. Are you seriously suggesting that Germany and Austria, given their dark histories, shouldn’t care about that?

What are you, personally, doing to help Ukraine, besides being an armchair politician on an Internet forum?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I don't want to downplay this but fuel is really important to countries without other means of getting it.
it could mean hardship and poverty for them if they don't get that gas

I have to agree with this. While it's easy for us to take hardline stances based on morals and values, running a country involves a lot of moving parts. There has to be cost-benefit analysis conducted in these situations, as cruel as that might sound. If fuel sanctions end up disrupting your economy to the point that it compromises your ability to defend yourself from the threat you're sanctioning, then you've only made Russia's job easier. I know that's an oversimplification, but it's important to note the calculus involved with these decisions. I don't envy any of the people having to make these decisions. It's largely lose-lose.

 

[FunkMiller]

What are you, personally, doing to help Ukraine, besides being an armchair politician on an Internet forum?

Well, I’ve given cash… but why are you comparing any single individual to an entire, very powerful nation, who could demonstrably change the course of this war?

 

[FunkMiller]

I have to agree with this. While it's easy for us to take hardline stances based on morals and values, running a country involves a lot of moving parts. There has to be cost-benefit analysis conducted in these situations, as cruel as that might sound. If fuel sanctions end up disrupting your economy to the point that it compromises your ability to defend yourself from the threat you're sanctioning, then you've only made Russia's job easier. I know that's an oversimplification, but it's important to note the calculus involved with these decisions. I don't envy any of the people having to make these decisions. It's largely lose-lose.

In none of the analyses I’ve read regarding Germany’s ongoing multibillion contribution to Russia’s war effort, have I read anything to suggest that cutting off the gas would result in Germany’s defence being threatened. They are part of NATO, remember.

Further, I haven’t read any analysis that suggests stopping gas from Russia would result in any physical harm coming to the people of Germany.

The only reason they won’t do it is because it will affect the German economy.

 

[FunkMiller]

That's naive thinking.
After all what is most important is to care for your own citizens and no gas would most likely ruin their livelyhood.
So there is no logical reason to cut of the gas sadly. You don't destroy your own economics just for the principle. At least not without other gas source

Well okay. You don’t seem to be defending Germany’s moral stance on this, so I guess there’s no argument.

Money is more important than lives, I get it.

 

[Artoris]

I don't think stopping buying their gas/oil would hurt them much as they can sell it to China and India producing a lot more oil and gas would lower their price and that would hurt them

 

[Patrick S.]

The only reason they won’t do it is because it will affect the German economy.

And by extension, the economy of Europe and the whole world. Germany is the biggest money giver in Europe. Every time a bag of rice falls over in Vietnam we immediately send a billion that way, while our own infrastructure is in decay and the average Hans can't afford his groceries and gas anymore. I don't support Scholz's stubborn blocking of delivery of heavy weapons, but overall, I don't think we aren't doing a fucking lot, be it in Ukraine or wherever else.

 

[Patrick S.]

Money is more important than lives, I get it.

It's not just "money". It's our government's number one mandate to do what's best for our own country, same as every other government out there, and if that doesn't line up with your worldview I guess you'll have to deal with it.

 

[Dr.D00p]

It's our government's number one mandate to do what's best for our own country, same as every other government out there, and if that doesn't line up with your worldview I guess you'll have to deal with it.

Good job the UK didn't think like that in 1939, eh?

I mean, We could have just left Continental Europe to the Nazis and kept on running our global Empire, minding our own business not paying much attention to what was going on, just 20 miles across the English Channel.

..but some of us can see the bigger picture.

Instead we risked everything, our very survival as a nation, fought on alone, ended up bankrupting ourselves doing it and lost the biggest Empire in history.

but hey, gotta love that 'mandate to do whats best for our country' line.

 

[Patrick S.]

Good job the UK didn't think like that in 1939, eh?

I mean, We could have just left Continental Europe to the Nazis and kept on running our global Empire, minding our own business not paying much attention to what was going on, just 20 miles across the English Channel.

..but some of us can see the bigger picture.

Instead we risked everything, our very survival as a nation, fought on alone, ended up bankrupting ourselves doing it and lost the biggest Empire in history.

but hey, gotta love that 'mandate to do whats best for our country' line.

Yeah Germany is doing absolutely zero to help in Ukraine bud

 

[funkygunther]

It's not just "money". It's our government's number one mandate to do what's best for our own country, same as every other government out there, and if that doesn't line up with your worldview I guess you'll have to deal with it.

Then it has failed already. If Germany's priority was its citizens then it wouldn't have put all its energy eggs in one basket, to the point that should something happen to it the entire citizenry should suffer. So if it has already failed to protect its citizens it can and will continue to do so.

 

[Patrick S.]

Then it has failed already. If Germany's priority was its citizens then it wouldn't have put all its energy eggs in one basket, to the point that should something happen to it the entire citizenry should suffer. So if it has already failed to protect its citizens it can and will continue to do so.

Sadly I have to agree with this.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Yeah Germany is doing absolutely zero to help in Ukraine bud

Germany is doing the absolute minimum, in order to (still) play both sides of the fence.

So sorry the Ukrainians didn't do what the German leadership hoped for..a quick war, a quick Russian victory, Urakainan acceptance and back to business as usual.

Most inconvenient.

 

[Patrick S.]

Germany is doing the absolute minimum, in order to (still) play both sides of the fence.

So sorry the Ukrainians didn't do what the German leadership hoped for..a quick war, a quick Russian victory, Urakainan acceptance and back to business as usual.

Most inconvenient.

Sure man

 

[FunkMiller]

It's not just "money". It's our government's number one mandate to do what's best for our own country, same as every other government out there, and if that doesn't line up with your worldview I guess you'll have to deal with it.

Yeah, you keep doing what’s best for your country over the lives of millions of Ukrainians. I’m sure that’ll look great in years to come, when the history books are written about the kinds of war atrocities Germany once vowed to never allow again.

 

[Patrick S.]

Yeah, you keep doing what’s best for your country over the lives of millions of Ukrainians. I’m sure that’ll look great in years to come, when the history books are written about the kinds of war atrocities Germany once vowed to never allow again.

Cool

 

[tommolb]

It's not just "money". It's our government's number one mandate to do what's best for our own country, same as every other government out there, and if that doesn't line up with your worldview I guess you'll have to deal with it.

I somehow doubt a Russian victory/conquest of Ukraine is best for Germany.

 

[Wildebeest]

And by extension, the economy of Europe and the whole world. Germany is the biggest money giver in Europe. Every time a bag of rice falls over in Vietnam we immediately send a billion that way, while our own infrastructure is in decay and the average Hans can't afford his groceries and gas anymore. I don't support Scholz's stubborn blocking of delivery of heavy weapons, but overall, I don't think we aren't doing a fucking lot, be it in Ukraine or wherever else.

This inflation is happening everywhere and is not particularly worse in Germany. In Turkey, Sri Lanka and North Africa there will be many more problems. The best way for the German government to reduce this pressure is to get this Ukraine shit done with as fast as possible. Sadly for Germany, it would not be globally acceptable for them to have their first wish of ending it quickly, which is Ukrainians surrendering totally. Which we now know involves a genocide of Ukrainian nationalists by a Russian military occupation, so they don't resist a puppet government. Fewer people want to buy cars and high-end medical equipment from a nation that openly supports genocide. I hope this explains the economic situation of Germany in a way that is cold and rational enough for you.

 

[Oberstein]

Blinken and Austin will visit Ukraine on Sunday

Can you imagine Biden in Kiev?

 

[chilleverest]

So Mariupol has finally fallen.

 

[Doczu]

I don't want to downplay this but fuel is really important to countries without other means of getting it.
it could mean hardship and poverty for them if they don't get that gas

I am all for diversifying Polands fuels and gas imports, but saying "ban it right now" would mean a lot of people would be fucked with heating their homes.
I would be one of them

Edit: and thst would playing right into Putins hand. People would tske it to the streets and further destabilize the country

 

[rofif]

I am all for diversifying Polands fuels and gas imports, but saying "ban it right now" would mean a lot of people would be fucked with heating their homes.
I would be one of them

exactly.
My poor old grandparents are using Coal to heat their home and the price of coal SKYROCETED.
1ton is now about 500$.... and it was 200$ just last year.
I chimed in 500$ yesterday(grandma resisted like a champ but lost!) ... and that's like 1/3rd of my paycheck.... and it's only 1 ton of coal while you need 5 tons for the whole winter.
So things are already very bad and it's not even really bad yet.

 

[winjer]

 

[M1chl]

 

[funkygunther]

I somehow doubt a Russian victory/conquest of Ukraine is best for Germany.

Not Ukraine as a whole but a quick carving and annexation of separatist regions absolutely is. That allows Germany to preserve its status quo with Russia and gives more opportunity to take capitalistic and political advantage of the rest of Ukraine as it tries to rebuild. That's the cake and eat it liberal economy dream, regardless of Ukrainian sovereignty or citizens rights.

 

[Doczu]

exactly.
My poor old grandparents are using Coal to heat their home and the price of coal SKYROCETED.
1ton is now about 500$.... and it was 200$ just last year.
I chimed in 500$ yesterday(grandma resisted like a champ but lost!) ... and that's like 1/3rd of my paycheck.... and it's only 1 ton of coal while you need 5 tons for the whole winter.
So things are already very bad and it's not even really bad yet.

Same here. Polish coal market got tsken over by russian coal and the price also doubled to around 400-500 per ton. My mother was lucky she bought coal just after the last heating season, so she paid the old price. But next year will be difficult for her, as she aint got a lot of cash. I'd love to help, but inflation, higher mortgage and (of course!) doubled gas prices hit me hard... And i've got it quite good, a lot of people here can't say that...

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Good job the UK didn't think like that in 1939, eh?

I mean, We could have just left Continental Europe to the Nazis and kept on running our global Empire.

I mean, Hitler dreamed of world domination which means eventually both Germany and Britain would clash. Arguably the smarter decision was to join the allies, rather than wait for a full strength reich to cross the Channel.

Besides, if you look at historical events, Britain always dreaded a unified Europe due to the danger it would posses, and specifically the idea of both german and france being under the same umbrella was anathema.

I'm not an expert on british history by any means, so I might be wrong on this/probably wrong, but I don't think the possibility of britain sitting it out while the nazis unified europe was ever a thing.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

 

[Wildebeest]

I mean, Hitler dreamed of world domination which means eventually both Germany and Britain would clash. Arguably the smarter decision was to join the allies, rather than wait for a full strength reich to cross the Channel.

Besides, if you look at historical events, Britain always dreaded a unified Europe due to the danger it would posses, and specifically the idea of both german and france being under the same umbrella was anathema.

I'm not an expert on british history by any means, so I might be wrong on this/probably wrong, but I don't think the possibility of britain sitting it out while the nazis unified europe was ever a thing.

Oh boy. This is idea of "perfidious Albion" secretly playing all the European nations against each other and then stabbing their friends in the back is actually something of a slur, used by fascist governments among others. Britain has a long history of interaction with Europe, but a long time before WW2, and up to that war, one of the major strategic concerns was being able to protect the very profitable sea access to India.

Around the time of the Napoleonic wars, the control of India and its trade was considered much more important than the US colonies, for example. That was a time when the British were backing coalition after coalition against the French Empire.

But the historic union of nations which bothered London so much, before Napoleon's empire, was France and Spain, not France and Germany, because France and Spain sent a huge "armada" fleet to invade. That was largely due to political and religious upheaval in Europe, not because Britain feared a strong united Europe.

 

[funkygunther]

I mean, Hitler dreamed of world domination which means eventually both Germany and Britain would clash. Arguably the smarter decision was to join the allies, rather than wait for a full strength reich to cross the Channel.

Besides, if you look at historical events, Britain always dreaded a unified Europe due to the danger it would posses, and specifically the idea of both german and france being under the same umbrella was anathema.

I'm not an expert on british history by any means, so I might be wrong on this/probably wrong, but I don't think the possibility of britain sitting it out while the nazis unified europe was ever a thing.

Of the permanent members of the post WW1 League of Nations, Britain was the only country that didn't join or roll over to the Axis. It wasn't that Britain joined the Allies, it was the only one left.

The idea that Britain dreaded a unified Europe is not born from history, it was a founding member of a number of organisations that sought to unify it. So no idea what "historical events" you are talking about, unless you mean some EU Brexit propaganda shit from the last 10 years.

 

[Stitch]

 

[Tams]

So Mariupol has finally fallen.

Source? I don't see it anywhere. If you don't have one, then don't just throw that out there.

Now, if you meant effectively fallen from a pure strategic point of view, then fair enough, but be more precise with your language.

I mean, Hitler dreamed of world domination which means eventually both Germany and Britain would clash. Arguably the smarter decision was to join the allies, rather than wait for a full strength reich to cross the Channel.

Besides, if you look at historical events, Britain always dreaded a unified Europe due to the danger it would posses, and specifically the idea of both german and france being under the same umbrella was anathema.

I'm not an expert on british history by any means, so I might be wrong on this/probably wrong, but I don't think the possibility of britain sitting it out while the nazis unified europe was ever a thing.

Lol, there never was the risk of a unified Europe then, and the UK didn't dread it. Wildebeest has laid that out in more detail.

To add to that, Hitler didn't seem (because this is alternative history) to want to invade Britain. He seemed to be open to an alliance, and it's not like there weren't quite a few sympathisers to that in the UK (many had spent the 20s and even 30s playing/messing around in Germany).

That's not to say the UK's choice to stand up to Nazi Germany was necessarily mainly altruistic (although, yes, the UK did see itself as a defender of democracy and freedom, and upholder of treaties). While a Nazi Europe (not really unified as there would have been the same old grudges still there) wouldn't have really been a threat to the UK herself, it would likely have ended up being one to the British Empire, and that was a concern.

 

[Liljagare]

Puzzle

aleph.wtf

He delivers good speeches imho!

 

[Neff]

Literally let's denazify, while the whole Ruzzian army is fucking going to the path of the NAZI

This is like a Paul Verhoeven film in real life

 

[Sakura]

I enjoy his videos because it does give a good look at the situation in Mariupol, but I can't help but laugh every time he calls himself an independent journalist.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Sadly they still have, the worst is that they will use fewer precision ones which will cause more casualties



This is my daily Fuck Putler

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Ha ha ha...



Also, you

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[Airbus Jr]

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

The VDV got memed to extinction lol.

 

[kuncol02]

That's not good news. There is risk that no one will be left to pass bad training to new generation of VDV soldiers.

 

[strange headache]

exactly.
My poor old grandparents are using Coal to heat their home and the price of coal SKYROCETED.
1ton is now about 500$.... and it was 200$ just last year.
I chimed in 500$ yesterday(grandma resisted like a champ but lost!) ... and that's like 1/3rd of my paycheck.... and it's only 1 ton of coal while you need 5 tons for the whole winter.
So things are already very bad and it's not even really bad yet.

Nah, let them freeze. Screw your poor grandparents, they probably deserve it anyway... What's more important is that we can satisfy the useless self-righteous reductive virtue signaling from a couple of obsessive posters on a video-game forum.
F*ck Europe and let's cripple it to the point of becoming completely unable to act or provide any kind of help, that will certainly show Putin.

Forget about the complexities and intricacies of geopolitical power balance, only black & white thinking allowed here! Kinda sad how some people use this tragedy to stroke their own ego.
Donating some cash apparently gives you the right to put yourself on a pedestal.

/s

 

[Kraz]

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

The bullet was dodged for the good of France and the world. They should investigate Le Pen after a while to check where is money coming from...

Emmanuel Macron is elected president of the French republic​

francetvinfo.fr/electi...

 

[Fess]

Puzzle

aleph.wtf

He delivers good speeches imho!

I’m in tears, so much emotions, this is quite possibly the best speech a world leader has ever given. We can only hope that Putin watch this and listen carefully to what’s being said and wake up from his slumber and realize what he’s doing.