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[FunkMiller]

Today he repeated that threat and it seems like:
- he only means direct help? doesn't seem to care too much about supplying weapons which is still a puzzle to me
- everyone thought that 'consequences we have never seen in our history' (not a direct quote but something like that) mean using nuclear weapons but today he stated he would use something that no one else has? what could that be?
- the response will be instantenous so we definitely didn't earn it yet

It’s because he’s full of shit. NATO will continue to pile more and more weaponry into Ukraine, and he’ll do nothing about it. Finland will continue its application into NATO, and he’ll do nothing about it. Russian infrastructure will continue to be targeted by saboteurs, and he’ll do nothing about it. He’s a corrupt mafia boss, not a megalomaniacal dictator.

I know we’re making a lot of comparisons with Hitler, but he isn’t like Hitler really. He’s a crook, not an ideologue. He loves money, and living a swanky lifestyle. Hitler would have lived in his own shit to conquer the world. Putin is stupid, greedy, self obsessed and living a fantasy. These are not the character traits of someone prepared to risk their own lives.

 

[GymWolf]

It wouldn't matter at that point. The winds just don't stop blowing. I watched a Ted talk on what would happen if just Pakistan and India went at it and it was pretty much game over.

It wouldn't matter doing potential immediate and long lasting heavy damages to other countries?

I'm not an expert on how much radioctive stuff would dispers behind russian borders but it must be something to considerate at the very least...

 

[GymWolf]

out of curiosity would USA (and NATO) actually have enough conventional firepower to not even need to resort to nukes if they would have to retaliate?

This is what i was about to ask.

Woulnd't be enough to send all the helicopters to bombard the capital and putin bunker with "normal" but still powerfull missiles etc.?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Something the world has never seen… probably Poseidon weapon. The tsunami of radioactive shit would basically be the great filter of our species.

 

[FunkMiller]

This is what i was about to ask.

Woulnd't be enough to send all the helicopters to bombard the capital and putin bunker with "normal" but still powerfull missiles etc.?

You’ve hit the nail on the head there, I think.

The west has some truly evil and very clever stuff a step down from nuclear. There’s every chance we wouldn’t even need to go that far to kill Putin and most of the Dumas.

I doubt the Russians are under any illusions about what could be fired at them if they escalate outside Ukraine - mainly because back channels comms would have warned them.

 

[Durien]

It wouldn't matter doing potential immediate and long lasting heavy damages to other countries?

I'm not an expert on how much radioctive stuff would dispers behind russian borders but it must be something to considerate at the very least...

 

[GymWolf]

Well the first minutes are very reassuring
Kinda close to where i live there is sigonella US army base, is that an important enough military target?

 

[dotnotbot]

Something the world has never seen… probably Poseidon weapon. The tsunami of radioactive shit would basically be the great filter of our species.

I've never heard about it before. Interesting, seems to fit in what he said.

Russia's New 'Poseidon' Super-Weapon: What You Need To Know - Naval News

Russia has raised tensions further by placing its nuclear forces on higher alert, termed "special regime of combat duty". We take a closer look at one of his most controversial weapons. Among a myriad of new and impressive 'super weapons', Poseidon stands out.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Rentahamster]

Those worried about nuclear war:

Putin started this conflict threatening that if NATO helps Ukraine, he will go nuclear.

NATO is now piling more and more heavy weaponry into Ukraine every day. Why hasn’t he gone nuclear yet?

Putin has demonstrated the "all bark no bite" dictator archetype very handily over the last couple of months, so yes, I agree. I'm not worried about nuclear escalation as much as I did when this all began.

There's still that possibility, though, and we should still take it seriously, but Putin's red lines have been a joke.

 

[FunkMiller]

Putin has demonstrated the "all bark no bite" dictator archetype very handily over the last couple of months, so yes, I agree. I'm not worried about nuclear escalation as much as I did when this all began.

There's still that possibility, though, and we should still take it seriously, but Putin's red lines have been a joke.

And every time a red line is crossed, it emboldens Ukraine and its allies. Also, the longer this goes on, the better the intel will be on Russia’s actual capabilities. I can see the acts of sabotage really starting to ramp up on Russian soil from now on, alongside the increase in the amount of heavy weaponry being handed over. Interested to see when NATO…. sorry, of course I mean Ukraine starts to target the Russian forces just inside the Russian border. Kill enough of the cunts in some big, lovely, instagrammable explosions, and we’ll see what Putin does. Spoiler: nothing.

 

[Liljagare]

The UN will evacuate the civilans from the Mauriopol steel works, after negotiations with Putin.

Yeah, just dont see it happening or going well. Sauce in Swedish, havent seen any other reports on it so far.

Date for evacuation is unknown.

Liverapportering: Ryska invasionen av Ukraina

Liverapportering med de senaste nyheterna om kriget mellan Ryssland och Ukraina. Om senaste utvecklingen och bakgrunden. Varför invaderar Ryssland Ukraina?

www.aftonbladet.se

 

[akimbo009]

I've never heard about it before. Interesting, seems to fit in what he said.

Russia's New 'Poseidon' Super-Weapon: What You Need To Know - Naval News

Russia has raised tensions further by placing its nuclear forces on higher alert, termed "special regime of combat duty". We take a closer look at one of his most controversial weapons. Among a myriad of new and impressive 'super weapons', Poseidon stands out.

www.navalnews.com

Looks like some bullshit out of a comic book. Color be doubtful.

Besides, you totally know if Russia launched this nuke torpedo it'd hit a fucking whale ending their great plans.

 

[Ionian]

The UN will evacuate the civilans from the Mauriopol steel works, after negotiations with Putin.

Yeah, just dont see it happening or going well. Sauce in Swedish, havent seen any other reports on it so far.

Date for evacuation is unknown.

Liverapportering: Ryska invasionen av Ukraina

Liverapportering med de senaste nyheterna om kriget mellan Ryssland och Ukraina. Om senaste utvecklingen och bakgrunden. Varför invaderar Ryssland Ukraina?

www.aftonbladet.se

Sauce, haha havn't heard that since Prerez Hilton.

 

[Tams]

Just an ignorant question, can they actually bombard russia with nukes without hurting the close innocent regions?

I mean, it's not like they can put a shield around russia to contain all the radioactive stuff...

It has to be a logistic disaster trying to ONLY hit russia when it comes to nuclear weapons, right?

Radiation isn't really much of the problem with nuclear weapons. It's very localised.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Radiation isn't really much of the problem with nuclear weapons. It's very localised.

 

[Tams]

They were talking about the effect of nuclear weapons hitting Russia, and how those strikes (not the Russian launched ones) would impact outside of Russia.

The radioactivity of nuclear weapons isn't even the most damaging effect of them. It's the explosion. The first nuclear bombs weren't dropped because they caused radiation sickness; they were dropped because they make the biggest bang.

Many people act as if nuclear weapons are like a nuclear power plant failing jlbecause both have 'nuclear' in them. But they aren't. They're still horrible, but it's the localised destruction, and if enoughbare used nuclear winter that are the biggest issues.

 

[Ionian]

Radiation isn't really much of the problem with nuclear weapons. It's very localised.

Tell that to the people who either got infertile or died from cancer in WW2. Travels with wind.

 

[JayK47]

So is this Poseidon super scary weapon held together by super glue or duct tape? Bubble gum? Maybe I am not seeing their good gear, but everything I have seen so far is so out of date or slapped together, I have doubts that they have anything new and impressive.

 

[M1chl]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

They were talking about the effect of nuclear weapons hitting Russia, and how those strikes (not the Russian launched ones) would impact outside of Russia.

The radioactivity of nuclear weapons isn't even the most damaging effect of them. It's the explosion. The first nuclear bombs weren't dropped because they caused radiation sickness; they were dropped because they make the biggest bang.

Many people act as if nuclear weapons are like a nuclear power plant failing jlbecause both have 'nuclear' in them. But they aren't. They're still horrible, but it's the localised destruction, and if enoughbare used nuclear winter that are the biggest issues.

The localized destruction is definitely the biggest immediate impact and scariest thing, but fallout from dozens of high yield bombs and would be devastating. Some “small” nuclear exchange in the single digits wouldn’t be catastrophic, but in double digit to all-out territory? It’s curtains man, you can’t spread that amount of irradiated dust with that long of a half life and expect stuff to just bounce back. There’s a reason the USSR and USA decided above ground tests were a terrible idea like 60 years ago and agreed to stop

 

[FunkMiller]

I've never heard about it before. Interesting, seems to fit in what he said.

Russia's New 'Poseidon' Super-Weapon: What You Need To Know - Naval News

Russia has raised tensions further by placing its nuclear forces on higher alert, termed "special regime of combat duty". We take a closer look at one of his most controversial weapons. Among a myriad of new and impressive 'super weapons', Poseidon stands out.

www.navalnews.com

Ah yes, the incredibly destructive, super powerful, advanced warhead from the nation that brought us

*checks notes*

surveillance drones with plastic water bottles for fuel tanks, and old SLR cameras taped to them.

 

[Durien]

Ah yes, the incredibly destructive, super powerful, advanced warhead from the nation that brought us

*checks notes*

surveillance drones with plastic water bottles for fuel tanks, and old SLR cameras taped to them.

Why risk hi-tech when you can do it cheaply?

 

[Flash Junkins]

Why risk hi-tech when you can do it cheaply?

You can have quality, delivery, or consistency. Pick 2?

 

[TwinB242]

...I don't even know where to begin with this.

 

[FunkMiller]

Why risk hi-tech when you can do it cheaply?

It wasn't cheap. Each drone costs roughly $100,000.

This isn't the old 'America invented the space pen, Russia used pencils' bullshit. This is a corrupt and poorly run military, where corners are cut to line people's pockets.

And it's why they're going to lose.

 

[Durien]

You can have quality, delivery, or consistency. Pick 2?

 

[Tams]

Tell that to the people who either got infertile or died from cancer in WW2. Travels with wind.

You need to look up what 'relative' means in a dictionary.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

...I don't even know where to begin with this.

you do my friend:

 

[Meicyn]

So is this Poseidon super scary weapon held together by super glue or duct tape? Bubble gum? Maybe I am not seeing their good gear, but everything I have seen so far is so out of date or slapped together, I have doubts that they have anything new and impressive.

Defense contractors love to spin people up on threats, real or imagined. Helps secure those sweet, sweet corporate welfare payments.

An underwater nuclear torpedo is dumb as shit anyways. Your target options are significantly limited and you’re mitigating potential damage because of the ocean. Nuclear weapons have the greatest effect when detonated above the target as an air blast since a surface blast will be partially mitigated by the earth.

Radiation isn't really much of the problem with nuclear weapons. It's very localised.

Not necessarily, if detonated at the surface, you produce a lot of radioactive fallout which can travel quite a distance depending on weather. Cesium 137 has a half life of 30 years.

 

[Ionian]

You need to look up what 'relative' means in a dictionary.

Hate to break it to you, I'm a native English speaker.

Grew up speaking it.

Alternative was Gaelic, which is dead,. Visited Kerry and Connemara. Language is dead.

Gaelic was used for school. Had to learn it in school.

You want a piss as a kid? Had to speak Gaelic/Irish.

"an bhfuil cead agam dul go dti an leithreas".

Was normal.
We had no choice.

 

[Ionian]

Hate to break it to you, I'm a native English speaker.

Grew up speaking it.

Alternative was Gaelic, which is dead,. Visited Kerry and Connemara. Language is dead.

Gaelic was used for school. Had to learn it in school.

You want a piss as a kid? Had to speak Gaelic/Irish.

"an bhfuil cead agam dul go dti an leithreas".

Was normal.
We had no choice.

 

[Ionian]

Most popular pub here is Sin E. Should be a tild on the E. Means "that's it".

Dude you got schooled.
Speak to me as Gaelige in the future. It's hard as fuck.

 

[akimbo009]

Most popular pub here is Sin E. Should be a tild on the E. Means "that's it".

Dude you got schooled.
Speak to me as Gaelige in the future. It's hard as fuck.

The fuck you even talking about.

 

[funkygunther]

Ionian what are you doing you absolute mentalist

 

[FatallyYours]

Most popular pub here is Sin E. Should be a tild on the E. Means "that's it".

Dude you got schooled.
Speak to me as Gaelige in the future. It's hard as fuck.

 

[Von Hugh]

Most popular pub here is Sin E. Should be a tild on the E. Means "that's it".

Dude you got schooled.
Speak to me as Gaelige in the future. It's hard as fuck.

 

[Ionian]

Can't disagree!

Been a hard year and shit.

Love the gif.

I'm kinda crazy indeed.

 

[Tams]

Hate to break it to you, I'm a native English speaker.

Grew up speaking it.

Alternative was Gaelic, which is dead,. Visited Kerry and Connemara. Language is dead.

Gaelic was used for school. Had to learn it in school.

You want a piss as a kid? Had to speak Gaelic/Irish.

"an bhfuil cead agam dul go dti an leithreas".

Was normal.
We had no choice.

Hate to break it to you mate, but you missed the sarcasm my comment was absolutely dripping.

I'm not sure why I should care that you speak Gaelic.

 

[Dr.D00p]

...I don't even know where to begin with this.

I'd like to think this is the Russian equivalent of Fox News, but Russia being Russia, its probably their BBC.

How the fuck are you supposed to deal with a people & a country that's basically been run by sociopath nihilists for the last 100yrs.

 

[Ionian]

Was talking to Tams , my post is crazy though. I apologize.

 

[Ionian]

Hate to break it to you mate, but you missed the sarcasm my comment was absolutely dripping.

I'm not sure why I should care that you speak Gaelic.

I don't care either, let's kiss and make up? I'm really hungover.

 

[Lord Panda]

I don't care either, let's kiss and make up? I'm really hungover.

 

[Ironbunny]

Grim view of this war and its economical and agricultural impact.

"Ukraine represents the best-situated, most productive piece of Russia's former Soviet empire, and the one that could most easily integrate with the West, and beyond. Which is why control over Ukraine has been so central to Russian imperial strategy for centuries, and why I fear future Russian military action will focus on destroying Ukraine's critical infrastructure and economy."

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

...I don't even know where to begin with this.

Do these idiots even realise that they and their families will be turned to ashes if they even dare touch a nato country?

 

[Dr.D00p]

Do these idiots even realise that they and their families will be turned to ashes if they even dare touch a nato country?

...but they'll all be together in Russian Heaven, like, forever.

 

[Von Hugh]

Do these idiots even realise that they and their families will be turned to ashes if they even dare touch a nato country?

I have come to the conclusion that most Russian people don't possess any ability for empathy and sympathy, so no, they don't realize.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Grim view of this war and its economical and agricultural impact.

"Ukraine represents the best-situated, most productive piece of Russia's former Soviet empire, and the one that could most easily integrate with the West, and beyond. Which is why control over Ukraine has been so central to Russian imperial strategy for centuries, and why I fear future Russian military action will focus on destroying Ukraine's critical infrastructure and economy."

Yep, all the seemingly positive news we get from the war doesn't change the fact that Ukraine is likely completely fucked for the foreseeable future. I don't think there's a realistic scenario where Ukraine fends off the Russian invaders and everything goes back to like it was before the war (ideally before 2014).

 

[Gp1]

Awesome and dense content by Ward Carrol on the conflict's air war.

 

[GymWolf]

Radiation isn't really much of the problem with nuclear weapons. It's very localised.

That doesn't sound right...

Can't the wind just blow radioactive stuff away from russia to other countries?

 

[Dr.D00p]

change the fact that Ukraine is likely completely fucked for the foreseeable future.

Sure, while the war is still being conducted but once a war is over, countries tend to rebuild astonishingly quickly. Tens of billions of development dollars & goodwill will pour into Ukraine, from all over the World.

...assuming this all doesn't end in rather large mushroom clouds going off everywhere, of course.