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SFV R. Mika default costume was deemed too revealing by ESPN
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- Uh, half naked, weird suspender man?
Valkyr1983
Banned
So games like doa shouldn't exist at all?
SliceSabre
Banned
Frankly I don't think SF has ever tried to be 'classy' so this is a weird call out.
DarkConfidant
Member
Yeah, it's why sometimes I'm more okay with games not getting mainstream coverage.
As a fan, I've been conditioned to just accept whatever ridiculous shit happens in Street Fighter, but I would never expect any normal person to do the same.
It's not that the outfits are revealing, but more so explicitly sexual at times, let alone impractical often.
I don't want to explain to folks why nobody is wearing relatively comfortable/practical clothing, and every woman has the same body type, as there are not many good explanations.
The game is still available to the public to be played with whatever costumes we want, so if ESPN wants to run their TV coverage one way, they're not affecting me in any way.
Yay freedom.
spindashing
Banned
Yep. Or if you want a more recent example, Asuka uses the flying hip press in NXT.
Naomi's Rearview isn't the same thing since she stays in place for the attack.
This is actually true hehe,damn you SF live action movie ;_;
Ragnorok64
Member
Are random people among the general ESPN viewing audience really asking those questions?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
In this day and age, with all the weird shit in movies and TV, very, very few would if at all, ask these questions, lol.
These things only seem to exist as talking points on the internet more often than not.
DarkConfidant
Member
Friends of mine, who don't play SF (or many/any game), but are big sports fans did. Not random people, I guess, but people nonetheless.
EDIT: They enjoyed watching it regardless of any of that, by the way. I've shown them Twitch stuff before, and they've been open minded, but they still find the game costumes to be weird.
Regardless, ESPN probably just bets on the safe side.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Well, the real response here is "who knows?" These are uncharted waters. This is the first time EVO has been televised in this capacity. And on their maiden voyage, ESPN apparently had some issues with the content. I'm not going to try to speak for Joe Sixpack here, but it does seem kind of weird to brush this aside as something that normal people aren't concerned about when ESPN was apparently concerned about it.
AstroNut325
Member
Yup.
I don't support ESPN on this. Brutally beating another opponent, perfectly fine. Sexy character? BAD BAD BAD.
Yeah. I'll continue to not support ESPN.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Ragnorok64
Member
Ignoring the obvious ridiculousness of the baboon comment, no one in this game looks like a normal human being. Street Fighter has always been cartoony.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
WHAT??
what kinda ridiculous Pilgrim attitude is that??
Seriously, are we that juvenile now...
what kinda ridiculous Pilgrim attitude is that??
Seriously, are we that juvenile now...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I agree with the context of what you are saying, however, this is the same ESPN, that has the Body Issue, Swimsuit Issue, Women's Beach Volleyball with strategically placed cameras angle and height, catching all the right wedgies, slips and thong shots. They also never seem to miss the wedgie pick, and zoom closer on it at times, lol.
I think it is more to do with the stigma still that, 'games are for kids', which the industry, while getting better, still has a ways to go to shake, and judging by their other programming, the only reason I can conclude so far.
Funny thing though, underboob is usually more of a head turner, because it is by far not as common. Maybe it was their goal? Hmmmm.
RedAssedApe
Banned
the cost of becoming a disney princess
lets rumble
I'm hungry. Want to go get some fries instead?
RecRoulette
Member
I remember laughing when Fuudo picked R. Mika's default after the character introduction video had her wearing the alt.
I bet ESPN was thrilled that there were no Cammy mains.
I bet ESPN was thrilled that there were no Cammy mains.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I really have no desire to go to bat for any of this stuff, but I do think that the context here ultimately matters. I don't watch beach volleyball on ESPN, but in terms of attire I don't think many people are going to question bikinis being worn on the beach, or sexy swimwear in the swimsuit issue. I think different questions arise in the context of how characters are dressed in a fighting game. And like I said in my initial post, I actually do find this to be kind of an interesting example of what's being discussed at large in the industry.
This type of concern is not some heretofore never seen condemnation of sexy video game characters. This conversation has been going on for years. And I think ESPN's reaction to Mika's outfist serves as kind of an example of what some people have been talking about in the push to make the climate more inclusive.
Or I guess we might surmise that SJWs in the gaming industry got to ESPN too.
Finaika
Member
I've never seen a baboon that looks like Mika.
It's not the same network, but remember Hannibal (glorious TV show with glorious Mads)? One of the goriest shows ever, like, some episodes were absolutely GROSS, but there was not any nudity, nothing. Nevertheless, the network complained that there was too much nudity in one particular episode (you could see some bloody ass), how did they cover it? More gore. And that was perfectly fine.
So gore and violence = good, boobs = bad
That's the message nowadays. What a time to be alive.
So gore and violence = good, boobs = bad
That's the message nowadays. What a time to be alive.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Probably wouldn't have had anything to say about gief tho. Everyone knew what was up when fuudo switched outfits, they're all going to go back to Japan laughing about us.
BadAss2961
Member
If only Laura and any one of her alternates could've made the broadcast...
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Sometimes the way things have been doesn't need to dictate the way things currently are or will be in the future.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
'Murica showing off its Puritan roots.
SF has never been broadcast live on national television as a sporting event before either.
I'd imagine it's more that SFV was specifically designed around being a mainstream competitive title, intended for normal broadcast standards, and for a whole swath of different players and sensibilities.
It endeavors to serves a different space, so it would make sense to take that into account when making the game itself. A case of failing to do that being the premise of the thread.
AstroNut325
Member
Yup. That person doesn't Street Fighter. The designs of characters, and their play styles is what I love about it.
Ban Puncher
Member
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
This is kind of ironic considering how women's water polo goes down.
Every time. Someone makes this (or Zangief) stupid comparison every time.
marvelharvey
Member
The first .gif I right-click-save-as-ed on GAF was the hypnotic Reon Kadena underboob dance.
True story.
True story.
stump sock
Member
or maybe they are actually considering the audience of potential children/random viewers, or maybe the fact that people into underdressed anime ladies are not a representation of your average ESPN viewer?
Corporate America is really wierd, obsessed about perception, and not really representative of the general population at large.
"Anime" is part of the genre. It is in just about every 2d fighting game, to some extent.
It's fine to make a doujin fighter like DoA, but don't expect anybody to take it seriously when you got tits flopping around like that. If SFV wants to be taken seriously (and it seems like it does), it can't be so immature about it.
DryEyeRelief
Member
The world already laughs at the US re: USA chants so whats the big deal
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Very, very true. Now working in Corporate America, it is a totally different culture than when I was a contractor, lol.
Until company parties/conference afterparties... then, yep, shit can get just as strange as everything else, and sometimes more vulgar at times, lol.
Gipsy Danger
Member
How either of them manage to do those moves successfully without just standing on someone is pretty impressive.
There is going to be 2 separate EVO's as far as I understand it. One in Vegas like usual, and now one in Japan as well.
The ESPN broadcast was truly amazing. Really awesome to watch. I hope they do it again. They did the tournament justice and imo, it really showed off the game and community very well.