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[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I'm reading through this thread seeing a bunch of people choose to die on some hill when all we actually have is speculation.

A lot of people just want to confirm preexisting biases when it comes to Nintendo/Switch. I think it's a mix of:

-Steam Deck fanboys who feel threatened by Switch 2​

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-PlayStation fanboys who feel threatened by Nintendo getting a lot more 3P support with Switch 2​

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-Xbox fanboys who feel threatened for the hypothetical Xbox handheld by the Switch 2​

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-Bitter old-school SEGA fanboys whose fear of Switch 2 outweighs their hatred for PlayStation​

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Nailed it! People are simply too focused on the TFlop number and not architecture improvements and how much they matter.

The CPU and Storage speeds alone are a huge improvement over base PS4, let alone GPU with ampere architecture and DLSS capabilities.

The fact is the Switch 2 will have some incredibly impressive looking titles given the hardware used.

Look at what was achieved on Switch 1 hardware using an off the shelf X1 underclocked with only 4GBs of ram.

Crazy part is, it happens every single time! I thought the PS5/Series X launches would have finally convinced people to move on from that thinking but, clearly not.

I bet most people convincing themselves about Switch 2 being "severely underpowered" don't even know what a cache scrubber is. They are probably the same sort who saw that about PS5 in 2020 and wrote it off as a nothingburger, but don't understand that's one of the multiple reasons it either performed as well as (or better than) Series X in the majority of multiplats early on (and to this day).

It's crazy how well Microsoft and Digital Foundry conditioned a mass of gamers to focus on TFLOPS and little else.

its built on 5nm

That's another thing: some people think these SoCs have all their components on the same node process. That isn't the case and it's never been the case.

Memory controllers, for example, do not scale with die shrinks, and usually are on much larger nodes. Even certain components on the same node are not going to be similarly sized due to architectural and feature differences, but some people picture the smallest component on a chip (e.g shader cores) and imagine every other part of the chip will be at a similar size.

It don't work that way :/

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[bundylove]

Your $1200 phone will cry trying to run these at 4k

And where did you read that the switch 2 will run these at 4k 60?
Btw i game on ps5 pro not on my phone.
And even that cant do 4k 60 but the switch 2 will?

Some unicorn magic that is

 

[LordOcidax]

i mean ok? but is it going to be able to run MH Wilds and GTA 6? i want modern big AAA third parties on this system.

Both games are going to have a series s port, so i think it’s totally possible a Switch 2 port too. BTW MW Wilds Switch 2 port is 100% going to happen.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Even if Nintendo hits the $400 price point, they will likely face steep competition from the Steam Deck at $350 and the Legion Go S Steam version at $499.

The Switch 2 is anything but a sure bet imo.

Hasn't the Switch outsold the Steam Deck like 30 to 1?

Thinking either, especially the other one, is direct competition to the Switch 2 is just getting silly.

 

[LordOcidax]

Hasn't the Switch outsold the Steam Deck like 30 to 1?

The “SwitchKiller” Some people here said that Switch sales was going to collapse the year the Steam Deck launched… Good times.

 

[daclynk]

 

[daclynk]

imagine what Nintendo could do with ps4 power… they could squeeze a lot out of 360 level performance in Switch

Sorry for double post.

 

[Kacho]

If this thread is any indication, console warring is about to make a serious comeback and it will be glorious.

 

[peish]

Data miner is saying the Switch 2 is around ~1.72 TFLOPS when in portable (if exactly 561 MHz)

According to google:

The Nintendo Switch has 0.15 TFLOPs in handheld mode.

The current Steamdeck has 1.6 TFLOPS.

The PlayStation 4 (PS4) has a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 TFLOPS.

The PlayStation 5 (PS5) has 10.28 TFLOPS.

The PlayStation 5 Pro (PS5 Pro) has 16.7 TFLOPS.

No. I like some comparisons with the latest snapdragons and apples and ryzen apu and lunar lakes

 

[diffusionx]

On an 8" screen it should look pretty great if they are utilizing at least DLSS 2.0.

It probably won’t use DLSS in portable mode as DLSS takes power.

 

[popeutlal]

Well its not like nintendo is set up for high end graphics anyways.

Will be a big jump for nintendo games nut will struggle with third party AAA games.

My phone is more powerfull than this thing

Phones that came out in 2017 were more powerful than the Switch.

 

[diffusionx]

If this thread is any indication, console warring is about to make a serious comeback and it will be glorious.

 

[LordOcidax]

A lot of people just want to confirm preexisting biases when it comes to Nintendo/Switch. I think it's a mix of:

-Steam Deck fanboys who feel threatened by Switch 2​

​

-PlayStation fanboys who feel threatened by Nintendo getting a lot more 3P support with Switch 2​

​

-Xbox fanboys who feel threatened for the hypothetical Xbox handheld by the Switch 2​

​

-Bitter old-school SEGA fanboys whose fear of Switch 2 outweighs their hatred for PlayStation​

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You nailed it..

If this thread is any indication, console warring is about to make a serious comeback and it will be glorious.

It’s going to be fun here that’s for sure.

 

[Buggy Loop]

It probably won’t use DLSS in portable mode as DLSS takes power.

Likely part of options. But for sure there will be a better more power efficient upscaler for handheld, there's only so much you can see pixel density wise on an ~8" screen.

Bigger AI upscaler models make more sense for docked.

 

[bundylove]

A lot of people just want to confirm preexisting biases when it comes to Nintendo/Switch. I think it's a mix of:

-Steam Deck fanboys who feel threatened by Switch 2​

​

-PlayStation fanboys who feel threatened by Nintendo getting a lot more 3P support with Switch 2​

​

-Xbox fanboys who feel threatened for the hypothetical Xbox handheld by the Switch 2​

​

-Bitter old-school SEGA fanboys whose fear of Switch 2 outweighs their hatred for PlayStation​

​

Crazy part is, it happens every single time! I thought the PS5/Series X launches would have finally convinced people to move on from that thinking but, clearly not.

I bet most people convincing themselves about Switch 2 being "severely underpowered" don't even know what a cache scrubber is. They are probably the same sort who saw that about PS5 in 2020 and wrote it off as a nothingburger, but don't understand that's one of the multiple reasons it either performed as well as (or better than) Series X in the majority of multiplats early on (and to this day).

It's crazy how well Microsoft and Digital Foundry conditioned a mass of gamers to focus on TFLOPS and little else.



That's another thing: some people think these SoCs have all their components on the same node process. That isn't the case and it's never been the case.

Memory controllers, for example, do not scale with die shrinks, and usually are on much larger nodes. Even certain components on the same node are not going to be similarly sized due to architectural and feature differences, but some people picture the smallest component on a chip (e.g shader cores) and imagine every other part of the chip will be at a similar size.

It don't work that way :/

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I Think its a lazy next gen effort from nintendo.
If its the same concept just with better specs that are weak as hell anyways, why would i upgrade day one?

As far as being scared of third party games hitting switch .....no.
Lets look at an example.
Lets say switch 2 gets a port of a game thats years old. Why would anyone buy that game on the switch? It will be full price while you csn get same game for far less or for free on gamepass. Not to mention it would be by far the worst version of that game. AT FULL PRICE.

By now we know switch is a second console for most next to their pc or xbox or ps. None of those people will care to pay full price for years old ports.

The switch 2 is going to be just another main nintendo games console nothing more.

And for nintendo games it will be more than enough

 

[bundylove]

If this thread is any indication, console warring is about to make a serious comeback and it will be glorious.

Nah.
After the reveal you will have a lot laughs from other fanboys and then noone will ever care again.

Or do you believe there will be digital foundry face offs between thr big guys and switch 2 for all third party games moving forward?
Will never happen.

 

[daclynk]

So like a Steam Deck except not terrible.

 

[LordOcidax]

Nah.
After the reveal you will have a lot laughs from other fanboys and then noone will ever care again.

Or do you believe there will be digital foundry face offs between thr big guys and switch 2 for all third party games moving forward?
Will never happen.

Bookmarked

 

[ReyBrujo]

I Think its a lazy next gen effort from nintendo.

So, nobody is surprised then.

 

[bender]

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I think a big determining factor for the success of the Switch 2 will be the price tag. Most people don’t buy Nintendo hardware for the graphics or specs, but for the experience and exclusive games. I think if it’s priced around $400, it will do fine or even very well, but if it hovers to around $500, then I don’t think it will sell too well.

Bottom line, I don’t think the specifications will really matter as long as the price is somewhat reasonable and they have the games people want to play.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I Think its a lazy next gen effort from nintendo.
If its the same concept just with better specs that are weak as hell anyways, why would i upgrade day one?

It has the potential to do this AND better on handheld

We're in full diminishing returns this gen, especially thanks to crossgen lasting so long.

Anyone in public seeing something like the above run in handheld will have its jaw drop. Nobody in "real life" outside of hardcore forums will start zooming with a lens to compare with a PS5 to see if assets are perfect match. It'll look fucking convincing that its running modern games. Nobody cares for TFlops count. This whole fucking forum died on the hill for TFlops not even long ago for PS5 vs Series X. How many times those lessons have to be learned?

The ACTUAL problem here is not hardware anymore for an handheld, its devs even able to push graphics like Sony did on PS4. Hell even Sony has lifted the foot from the pedal on PS5 and not pushing anywhere close the hardware as they were on PS4. The budgets have skyrocketed. They're all 1 AAA flop away from studio closure with those budgets. It won't be Nintendo pushing the system to the limits I assure you of that, although, outside of graphics they surprise sometimes.

There's not even a 3rd party port that will outclass the above image that I can think of.

Will it see GTA 6? Naw. It can still be impressive for a LOT of peoples.

Switch 1 at launch was a lot further away than the 2017 "current gen", a lot. Diminishing returns weren't as bad as now to begin with. Progression from 360 to PS4 was massive, massive. PS4 to PS5 comparatively is a sad joke. So by your reasoning, why would anyone buy Switch 1 or years old 3rd party ports? Yet here we are with what, >100M units sold?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I Think its a lazy next gen effort from nintendo.
If its the same concept just with better specs that are weak as hell anyways, why would i upgrade day one?

Can't this be applied to both PlayStation and Xbox too? More of the same in many ways and "weak" compared to the 3080 & 3090 that were launching at the same time? Won't Steam Deck 2 just be the first one with better specs?

As far as being scared of third party games hitting switch .....no.
Lets look at an example.
Lets say switch 2 gets a port of a game thats years old. Why would anyone buy that game on the switch? It will be full price while you csn get same game for far less or for free on gamepass. Not to mention it would be by far the worst version of that game. AT FULL PRICE.

I've been mentioning for a while that Nintendo are probably going to leverage their IP as content exclusives in ports of select 3P games to their platform, that can get some folks to double or triple-dip on the game even if they originally bought it on another platform. Their IP are universal and evergreen enough to allow that type of thing.

Like the rumored FF7 Remake port; there's nothing really stopping Nintendo & Square-Enix from doing some Zelda-themed crossover content in the Switch 2 version as exclusive stuff. That'll entice a lot of people to check it out. And that's just one of many examples.

By now we know switch is a second console for most next to their pc or xbox or ps. None of those people will care to pay full price for years old ports.

Well thankfully for Switch 2 they'll be getting a lot of Day 1 3P support from AAA franchises off the bat, that Switch 1 didn't get (because 3P were wary after the Wii U's failure).

The switch 2 is going to be just another main nintendo games console nothing more.

And for nintendo games it will be more than enough

Considering how multiple devs and pubs in the industry have been trending the past few years, Switch 2 being "just" a hub for Nintendo games (in the worst-case) is going to be at least equal what you're getting on the other platforms, if your gaming tastes aren't completely narrow.

 

[Durin]

AAA games are still coming out on last-gen consoles, many of those same games scale down to the Steam Deck, and this gen being defined by diminished returns on graphics will all contribute to this Switch sequel getting good support of new and older games.

I think Microsoft and Sony will port their games over too, and with DLSS it should be a solid experience on big-screen 4k TVs instead of the blurry and jaggy experience of the current Switch.

 

[bundylove]

It has the potential to do this AND better on handheld

We're in full diminishing returns this gen, especially thanks to crossgen lasting so long.

Anyone in public seeing something like the above run in handheld will have its jaw drop. Nobody in "real life" outside of hardcore forums will start zooming with a lens to compare with a PS5 to see if assets are perfect match. It'll look fucking convincing that its running modern games. Nobody cares for TFlops count. This whole fucking forum died on the hill for TFlops not even long ago for PS5 vs Series X. How many times those lessons have to be learned?

The ACTUAL problem here is not hardware anymore for an handheld, its devs even able to push graphics like Sony did on PS4. Hell even Sony has lifted the foot from the pedal on PS5 and not pushing anywhere close the hardware as they were on PS4. The budgets have skyrocketed. They're all 1 AAA flop away from studio closure with those budgets. It won't be Nintendo pushing the system to the limits I assure you of that, although, outside of graphics they surprise sometimes.

There's not even a 3rd party port that will outclass the above image that I can think of.

Will it see GTA 6? Naw. It can still be impressive for a LOT of peoples.

Switch 1 at launch was a lot further away than the 2017 "current gen", a lot. Diminishing returns weren't as bad as now to begin with. Progression from 360 to PS4 was massive, massive. PS4 to PS5 comparatively is a sad joke. So by your reasoning, why would anyone buy Switch 1 or years old 3rd party ports? Yet here we are with what, >100M units sold?

DO you actually imply that nintendo will be able to ever come up with the budget and know how to create a forbiden west level game?


I challenge you to show me such examples on a nintendo console from the wii on to switch.

You will never see those type of visuals on the switch 2.

Not saying its not possible but not like that. Never

 

[Kacho]

Nah.
After the reveal you will have a lot laughs from other fanboys and then noone will ever care again.

Or do you believe there will be digital foundry face offs between thr big guys and switch 2 for all third party games moving forward?
Will never happen.

With Xbox shitting the bed Sony fanboys will need a new target and Nintendo will be it. The talking points will reveal themselves in time, but I expect fights about hardware sales numbers, platform software splits, which has the better upscaling technology, who had the better first party and more. It’s going to be an amazing experience.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

I Think its a lazy next gen effort from nintendo.

What were you expecting? Whatever they made was going to be a handheld since they're not going to leave a market they've been dominating since they entered 35+ years ago. The smart play is just making a more powerful Switch that gives them more freedom in game development.

Their effort isn't any worse than Sony or MS who's innovations this gen were making their consoles look like a router and a fridge.

 

[Klosshufvud]

Switch 1 at launch was a lot further away than the 2017 "current gen", a lot. Diminishing returns weren't as bad as now to begin with. Progression from 360 to PS4 was massive, massive. PS4 to PS5 comparatively is a sad joke. So by your reasoning, why would anyone buy Switch 1 or years old 3rd party ports? Yet here we are with what, >100M units sold?

This is cope. The jump from PS4 to PS5 was absolutely massive. Games went from 1080p30fps to borderline 4K60fps. It was visually way bigger upgrade than going from PS3 720p to PS4 1080p. Not to mention the removal of CPU and HDD bottlenecks. PS5 in 2020 was extremely good value. Now it's overpriced but back then it competed with $700 GPUs. A game like Forbidden West is night and day going from PS4 to PS5. They play and look like different games.

 

[chromhound]

Aren't you people too optimistic about the price tag?

I personally won't be surprised, if Switch 2 costs $500.

400 CAD

 

[daclynk]

But of course, the only comparison that actually matters is how it stacks up against the original Switch. If it’s a generational leap from that standpoint, that’s all that really matters. Switch is a weak 2015 mobile chipset that sold 140+ million units and 2 billion games, *without ever having a single price drop*. Roll your eyes all ya want

People buy compelling experiences, not specs.

 

[bundylove]

Can't this be applied to both PlayStation and Xbox too? More of the same in many ways and "weak" compared to the 3080 & 3090 that were launching at the same time? Won't Steam Deck 2 just be the first one with better specs?



I've been mentioning for a while that Nintendo are probably going to leverage their IP as content exclusives in ports of select 3P games to their platform, that can get some folks to double or triple-dip on the game even if they originally bought it on another platform. Their IP are universal and evergreen enough to allow that type of thing.

Like the rumored FF7 Remake port; there's nothing really stopping Nintendo & Square-Enix from doing some Zelda-themed crossover content in the Switch 2 version as exclusive stuff. That'll entice a lot of people to check it out. And that's just one of many examples.



Well thankfully for Switch 2 they'll be getting a lot of Day 1 3P support from AAA franchises off the bat, that Switch 1 didn't get (because 3P were wary after the Wii U's failure).



Considering how multiple devs and pubs in the industry have been trending the past few years, Switch 2 being "just" a hub for Nintendo games (in the worst-case) is going to be at least equal what you're getting on the other platforms, if your gaming tastes aren't completely narrow.

I hear you.

And here is the kicker.

Nintendo will have to heavily rely on its own first party output now more so than ever before.

As there is now a lot of competitiin in thr handheld market unlike 10 years ago.

We have a new portable xbox coming very soon.
We have a new steam deck coming very soon.
We have many knock off handhelds coming soon too.

And we already have a meager attempt of a switch in the ps family the ps portal that just got a major boost .

All of the above will be a lot more suited for 3rd party games than the switch.

I welcome the switch 2 and will get one. For nintendo games. And most will do the same. For nintendo games.

But to try to convince the world that the switch 2 will right away be on par with the big ones and will host all the high end games.....never. Not with those specs.

Shit my pro so far is a big joke that doesnt scream power to me let alone a handheld that is one tenth of the performance of a ps5 pro

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Honestly this seems mostly fine. Memory bandwidth is the only concerning detail.

 

[Fake]

Almost a PS4 is good on my book to be honest.

Is not like I gonna use NS2 for third party. My PS5 got this for.

Nintendo first party will be good with a near base PS4 console.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

It probably won’t use DLSS in portable mode as DLSS takes power.

Of course it will utilize DLSS in portable mode as well. DLSS reduces the GPU workload so it can run at lower resolutions and still have decent IQ and better FPS than native resolutions. That is the whole point.

I.E. enabling DLSS does not consume more wattage vs just trying to render at a higher native res.

In fact I would say DLSS is even more important in portable mode to save on battery life.

 

[bundylove]

I

With Xbox shitting the bed Sony fanboys will need a new target and Nintendo will be it. The talking points will reveal themselves in time, but I expect fights about hardware sales numbers, platform software splits, which has the better upscaling technology, who had the better first party and more. It’s going to be an amazing experience.

I honestly canr wait for the first head to head.
As a tech geek i just want to see what this thing is capable off.

And just understand this. I am so done with pr bullshit. Xbox series x was a bust . Ps5 pro is a bust. Neither of them even come close to their promises. That combined with laze devs oh boy.

 

[pulicat]

DO you actually imply that nintendo will be able to ever come up with the budget and know how to create a forbiden west level game?


I challenge you to show me such examples on a nintendo console from the wii on to switch.

You will never see those type of visuals on the switch 2.

Not saying its not possible but not like that. Never

We have monolith soft for that
They managed to pull this off on WiiU/X360/PS3 level machine while other open world games on similar power machines look crap in comparison.

Just imagine what kind of sorcery they're capable off when using Switch 2 with 10 times more power than Switch.

 

[bundylove]

We have monolith soft for that
They managed to pull this off on WiiU/X360/PS3 level machine while other open world games on similar power machines look crap in comparison.

Would you see horizon on my pro ans my 85 inch you would be amazed. I say this since you were leading with that example.

Lets try this again.

No gta5
No red dead 2.

But why not? Biggest games ever. You would think it would sell bonkers on the switch but got never reelased. Gta 5 is a ps3 game. Red dead 2 well that would be impossible but who knows.

Now you guys claim gta 6 will come to switch 2. Come on.

The expectations here are out of reach.

 

[Xellos]

561 MHz is higher than I was expecting for portable mode. Good news, especially if the portable screen is 1080p. I’m really curious about the battery life now.

 

[Kumomeme]

someone please explain all these in term of DBZ power level scalling

 

[SegaSnatcher]

someone please explain all these in term of DBZ power level scalling

Think PS4+ and you will have a general idea, but also with the benefits of DLSS, more Ram, better CPU and much faster storage speeds.

 

[Kataploom]

DO you actually imply that nintendo will be able to ever come up with the budget and know how to create a forbiden west level game?


I challenge you to show me such examples on a nintendo console from the wii on to switch.

You will never see those type of visuals on the switch 2.

Not saying its not possible but not like that. Never

Except for graphics technology, TOTK is already above Horizon technically

 

[Kacho]

someone please explain all these in term of DBZ power level scalling

Yajirobi in HD

 

[Buggy Loop]

DO you actually imply that nintendo will be able to ever come up with the budget and know how to create a forbiden west level game?


I challenge you to show me such examples on a nintendo console from the wii on to switch.

You will never see those type of visuals on the switch 2.

Not saying its not possible but not like that. Never

Almost had a hint that you would read the post but nope, probably stopped at screenshot.

 

[Little Chicken]

Remember when people said it would be more powerful than a Series S...

 

[Playboi Carti]

Except for graphics technology, TOTK is already above Horizon technically

You know, when you spend an equivalent to a teenager's monthly allowance on graphics, it naturally leaves you with a shitton of budget money to go crazy on the gimmicks.

 

[bundylove]

Almost had a hint that you would read the post but nope, probably stopped at screenshot.

Your words. To do this or better.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

someone please explain all these in term of DBZ power level scalling

Finally a post that makes sense.

In handheld mode

Switch 1 = Goku on Namek
Steam Deck = Super Sayian Goku
Switch 2 = Perfect Cell
ROG Ally = SSJ2 Gohan


Docked Mode

PS4 = Super Sayian 4
Xbox One X = Super Sayian God
Switch 2 = Super Sayian Blue
Series S = Rage Trunks
PS5 = Beerus
Xbox Series X = Jiren
Ps5 Pro = Ultra Instinct
PC = Whis



I’m sure this will be well received and not picked apart at all.

 

[pulicat]

someone please explain all these in term of DBZ power level scalling

Switch 2 undocked - SSJ Gohan
PS4pro - Piccolo fused with Kami
Switch 2 docked - SSJ Gohan after hyperbolic time chamber
Xbox one X - Vageta SSJ2
Xbox Series S - Trunks SSJ2
PS5 - Goku SSJ2
Xbox series X - Perfect Cell
PS5pro - Gohan SSJ2/Super perfect cell

 

[Kataploom]

You know, when you spend an equivalent to a teenager's monthly allowance on graphics, it naturally leaves you with a shitton of budget money to go crazy on the gimmicks.

Thank god they did then, I don't care about nose hair rendering quality since I was a teenager

 

[Buggy Loop]

Your words. To do this or better.

The hardware can

You're the one saying the specs would be weak.

Yet its so strong that only Sony can flex it

No gta5
No red dead 2.

But why not? Biggest games ever. You would think it would sell bonkers on the switch but got never reelased. Gta 5 is a ps3 game. Red dead 2 well that would be impossible but who knows.

With rumours of having RDR 2 on switch 2 from many sources, why would you even make a post that will likely age like milk. Switch 2 will get PS4 ports easy.