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The drama is DUMB on both side of the woke/anti-woke extreme spectrums - KCD 2 boycott
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Ellery
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Simplest way is to look at sales. Honestly. People know. There are so many smart people that are quiet you wouldn't believe.
Some idiots are very loud on both ends, but there is a reason why games like Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and The Last of Us Part 2 sell big numbers.
Because people see through the idiot right wing agenda of spreading false propaganda about products.
Same as they are about idiot left wing propaganda. That is exactly why Dragon Age Veilguard didn't sell.
The market is so much smarter than a person on twitter yelling "gay kingdom". The reality has already settled in. Some people are just too stupid to not just see black and white.
Some idiots are very loud on both ends, but there is a reason why games like Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and The Last of Us Part 2 sell big numbers.
Because people see through the idiot right wing agenda of spreading false propaganda about products.
Same as they are about idiot left wing propaganda. That is exactly why Dragon Age Veilguard didn't sell.
The market is so much smarter than a person on twitter yelling "gay kingdom". The reality has already settled in. Some people are just too stupid to not just see black and white.
thekillergreece
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It's 2025 and we still argue whether it's woke or not instead whether it's fun or not. :c
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Hudo
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O great spirit, Final Fantasy Tactics remaster when?
Wildebeest
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Games are failing now because there is way more supply than demand and innovation has hard stalled. Not woke. Deal with it.
Mistake
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Chronic complainers are annoying no matter who they are, I get it. But until the cancer of what happened is completely removed, people won't be able to move on. I've been saying it for a while now, Newton's third law is real, so buckle up, things are just getting started.
In terms of gaming and popular releases, a lot of my friends started talking about Balatro, but not much else. Maybe after Switch 2 comes out things will improve, unless localizers stick with the bullshit
In terms of gaming and popular releases, a lot of my friends started talking about Balatro, but not much else. Maybe after Switch 2 comes out things will improve, unless localizers stick with the bullshit
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JerryinSoCal
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Some people on both sides are embarrassing, people who get upset about same sex romance OPTIONS in RPG's when they've been there long before the term "woke" became known look foolish, so do people who talk about how it's their job to "teach" people about gender ideology etc or think that every game should have female lead. The funny thing is the vast majority of games don't have any kind of same sex or opposite sex attraction in the story and if they do it's rarely the main character. I think this is one of those things where people should pick their battles.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
In the end it is about quality.
it's just so happens agendas tend to get in the way of quality.
PeteBull
Member
Game can fail for multiple of reasons, aka combination, the more flaws game has the higher probability it has to fail, woke games(i dont mind elden ring or kcd2, i mean trully woke shit that literally makes us-normal sane games puke in disgust) are so flawed we cant enjoy them).
Woke is anything that is forced, its not A/B bodytype in elden ring that u forget about 5secs after making ur character, its not 1 african looking merchant among tens of ks of npc in kcd2 that is explained properly or totally skippable and optional scenes of gay romance for henry if u chose multiple options to swing that way.
Woke is what spiderman2, tlou2, dustborne, concord, saints row, da:v. ac:s and sw: outlaws presenting- those games are all forcing that shit on the players.
And guess what- majority of normal sane players knows it, as we can see from sales/steam ccu numbers, first kcd was at 95k, kcd2 is at 256k ccu so huge increase, thats how numbers for great sequel should look like, not numbers for any woke game, which recently we got another comparision:
late port of non woke first spiderman: 66k ccu on steam
late port of woke af spiderman2: 28k ccu only =]
Consumers have spoken- fk woke shit, let it rot, we wont give money to bad woke games, u can see it on yt in trailer likes/dislikes ratio, sales of all woke games, and in steam ccu too.
BTW: ND's next game with that female bald blasian gonna get same treatment from us- it will flop, and flop hard
Example of non woke game with big success:
Space Marine 2 with peak 225k ccu on steam
and official data of 6m copies sold in 4 fricken months
Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies each
Focus Entertainment and Bandai Namco have announced that Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
DeltaPolarBear
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I don't even understand what was the point of this thread existing. The whole "both sides are equally bad" is irrelevant as an argument when we are talking about products that fail commercially. This is not suppose to be about the morality of humans but simply shitty products being shitty.
Crappy people who don't know how to make games, who just happened to be from the fringe left, crashed and burned multiple game projects recently. That does not in any way have anything to do with fringe right people who aren't even in the same room. Fringe is fringe, fringe doesn't sell either way. Left or Right, Fringe is a minority and you don't market towards them.
Fringe Right are doing stuff but they are not involved in gaming, so trying to bring them up in Neogaf is just bizarre. The fringe Left is being focused on because they ARE targeting gaming and they also happen to suck massively. That is the long and short of it. Make a bad product and you fail, that is where the story ends.
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Wildebeest
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No shit. But if people had more time, money and less choice, they would buy the games that are now failing and play them anyway. A lot of these games that are failing terribly are not even actually bad games and don't have much of anything that is really weird in them. If they were actually weird and transgressive and not bland corporate slop they might actually get more traction.
Perfect example of what I wrote earlierGame can fail for multiple of reasons, aka combination, the more flaws game has the higher probability it has to fail, woke games(i dont mind elden ring or kcd2, i mean trully woke shit that literally makes us-normal sane games puke in disgust) are so flawed we cant enjoy them).
Woke is anything that is forced, its not A/B bodytype in elden ring that u forget about 5secs after making ur character, its not 1 african looking merchant among tens of ks of npc in kcd2 that is explained properly or totally skippable and optional scenes of gay romance for henry if u chose multiple options to swing that way.
Woke is what spiderman2, tlou2, dustborne, concord, saints row, da:v. ac:s and sw: outlaws presenting- those games are all forcing that shit on the players.
And guess what- majority of normal sane players knows it, as we can see from sales/steam ccu numbers, first kcd was at 95k, kcd2 is at 256k ccu so huge increase, thats how numbers for great sequel should look like, not numbers for any woke game, which recently we got another comparision:
late port of non woke first spiderman: 66k ccu on steam
late port of woke af spiderman2: 28k ccu only =]
Consumers have spoken- fk woke shit, let it rot, we wont give money to bad woke games, u can see it on yt in trailer likes/dislikes ratio, sales of all woke games, and in steam ccu too.
BTW: ND's next game with that female bald blasian gonna get same treatment from us- it will flop, and flop hard
Example of non woke game with big success:
Space Marine 2 with peak 225k ccu on steam
and official data of 6m copies sold in 4 fricken months
Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies each
Focus Entertainment and Bandai Namco have announced that Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies.
Hypocrisy and selective perception at its finest.
thief183
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It pisses me off that one of the best game I played in the recent years have become a battlefield for both extremes of gender politics, I can't even find any info without having to read tons of comments about an optional content that appear 2 times in the whole game and it is easy forgotten.
I find it way worst that there are some historic inaccuracy regarding religion tho.
I find it way worst that there are some historic inaccuracy regarding religion tho.
VulcanRaven
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All that because the main character was bald. Its hilarious to see one person saying that we will make it flop.Game can fail for multiple of reasons, aka combination, the more flaws game has the higher probability it has to fail, woke games(i dont mind elden ring or kcd2, i mean trully woke shit that literally makes us-normal sane games puke in disgust) are so flawed we cant enjoy them).
Woke is anything that is forced, its not A/B bodytype in elden ring that u forget about 5secs after making ur character, its not 1 african looking merchant among tens of ks of npc in kcd2 that is explained properly or totally skippable and optional scenes of gay romance for henry if u chose multiple options to swing that way.
Woke is what spiderman2, tlou2, dustborne, concord, saints row, da:v. ac:s and sw: outlaws presenting- those games are all forcing that shit on the players.
And guess what- majority of normal sane players knows it, as we can see from sales/steam ccu numbers, first kcd was at 95k, kcd2 is at 256k ccu so huge increase, thats how numbers for great sequel should look like, not numbers for any woke game, which recently we got another comparision:
late port of non woke first spiderman: 66k ccu on steam
late port of woke af spiderman2: 28k ccu only =]
Consumers have spoken- fk woke shit, let it rot, we wont give money to bad woke games, u can see it on yt in trailer likes/dislikes ratio, sales of all woke games, and in steam ccu too.
BTW: ND's next game with that female bald blasian gonna get same treatment from us- it will flop, and flop hard
Example of non woke game with big success:
Space Marine 2 with peak 225k ccu on steam
and official data of 6m copies sold in 4 fricken months
Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies each
Focus Entertainment and Bandai Namco have announced that Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 and Ace Combat 7 have sold 6 million copies.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Is it goord combat looks soooo bad??
ValiantInstance
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'Both sides are as bad as each other' is such a fence sitting limp dick argument.
I don't really care about outrage farmers like The Quartering. You will attract grifters to anything that's popular.
If one side didn't push their ideology, the other side wouldn't exist. Period. Nerdrotic would be quietly watching Doctor Who, Sargon would be playing his video games in Swindon.
In fact Sargon put it beautifully on a livestream last night playing Total War 2. You started this, and now we're going to destroy you and everything you believe in.
I don't really care about outrage farmers like The Quartering. You will attract grifters to anything that's popular.
If one side didn't push their ideology, the other side wouldn't exist. Period. Nerdrotic would be quietly watching Doctor Who, Sargon would be playing his video games in Swindon.
In fact Sargon put it beautifully on a livestream last night playing Total War 2. You started this, and now we're going to destroy you and everything you believe in.
Buggy Loop
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Uh?
I doubt non gamers go and bother subscribing to a gaming YouTube channels that it’s content is 100% about woke games or how users massively voted for LGBT tags on KCD2 and so on are not gamers
Maybe the channel owners are not really gamers but the clientele surely is and then they just regurgitate it all over forums and gaming subreddit.
DeltaPolarBear
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And so what? None of that have anything to do with games being badly made. Badly made games fail and I am happy that they do. i don't care about youtube arguments because what does that have to do with me?
Are you confusing internet arguments for gaming? They are different things. i just care about the actual gaming and stay out of the mess that is fruitless arguments online. Even if you win arguments online, you still lose.
You are caring too much about people's youtube channels. Unless they are from actual game devs i don't give a damn.
Spitfire098
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Ain't no way...attacking people on what they look like is exactly what the antiwoke crowd does all the time. We're just gonna pretend like that isn't a thing?
captainnapalm
Member
Gamergate is one of the things that red-pilled me because those assholes had the nerve to act like they were minding their own business and were being attacked for no reason - knowing full well they had started the culture war in gaming with their bullshit. I remember seeing the madness unfold on this site back when it was still Resetera 1.0.
Every now and again I'll see a tweet that points out just how massive a role Gamergate has played in the culture wars - in a way that goes right to the top of politics and everything else. They thought it was a huge win at the time and for a long time it was. They had complete control of social media, games media, corporate media, wikipedia and could control the narrative - but that's the thing about lies, it tends to catch up with you in the end.
samoilaaa
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omg you have no respect , then i better hurry and buy all those games you mentioned to earn itKeep telling yourself that
There would be no KCD2 boycott attempt in that case.
The google DEI list circulating around is a freaking joke. Elden ring is DEI by the wayThere's no bottom floor to how stupid these peoples are.
Now most peoples can see when things are forced and inserted non-organically. I think the gray zone makes a lot more sense and you can always vote with your wallet. But the extremes are just unbearable and they are trying to take hold of the conversation on what should and should not exist. Its no better than REEE tards trying to cancel Cyberpunk 2077 or Hogwarts Legacy, no better. They're doing the same act, on the other spectrum. They're no better and I have as little respect for these peoples as I did for REEE tards.
FUCK off will ya , people are free to buy/not buy whatever they want for whatever reason
i dont earn money working 14h shifts to take your opinion into consideration
Gamergate was retarded and involved the same sort of witch hunt mobs the other side used afterwards.
ValiantInstance
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Gamergate was just a battleground for activists. It was a trial run to see what they could get away with. Turned out they could guilt people into doing whatever they wanted using Motte and Bailey arguments.
And they did win. By the end of the decade they had completely captured all institutions. Why did I have to do a compulsory HR course on 'minority allies' at my job? Because they had won. I work for a forex company ffs.
All those blue haired feminists we used to laugh at back in 2014, people who believe what they did are in every HR and DEI program at every major company and every branch of government in the west, until about 2 weeks ago.
The battle is won, but the war is not over.
PeteBull
Member
Nope, bald character could look like barret from ff7 and no1 would bat an eye, bald blasian female stud is clear indication of woke shit inc, which many sane ppl simply dont wanna support, thats reality
DirtInUrEye
Member
Google and their $$$ YouTube platform hold a lot of responsibility for the societal brain rot that has taken hold in the last couple of years. I don't see it getting any better without intervention and regulation, unfortunately. The big tech media platforms are just too powerful with influence on everything now. It's actually hellish.
xpresstuning
Member
That's basically it. It's a cycle of back and forth.
The pendulum barely started swinging back mid last year, it's still very early. I think the visceral hatred most of the youth have against "DEI" and other heavily pushed ideas by the "far-left" has cemented the fact that it's going to be a wild 15 - 20 year ride. The tolerance is gone. That's why you have such strong reactions against subtle DEI elements from KCD II.
captainnapalm
Member
Oh yeah - it's not over. But they've definitely lost a lot of their institutional power and a lot of it I don't think they're ever getting back.
ValiantInstance
Member
I suppose so, but most of here are not tourists. We are gamers. Around 10 year ago, something started to go very wrong and our hobby was hijacked to push intersectional progressivism.
Sometimes I check myself to see where I am, and then I see another ridiculous comment or some goverment funded activism and I feel like it pushes me further right just to spite these people.
MarV0
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Humdinger
Gold Member
Aw, come on. Of the 40 threads on the first page, only 2 are focused on "woke" (this one and Cloud is trans). That's 5%, not "half the board." Granted, the subject comes up occasionally in a couple of other threads, but it's not the main focus. And you can't expect "woke" not to be talked about at all, since it gets woven into character design, dialog, storylines, and the business of gaming.
If you have trouble ignoring these threads on your own, putting the thread on Ignore helps. It's like when you're trying to stop eating a particular food. It's easier if that food isn't in your fridge in the first place. If you don't see it, you aren't tempted.
Just a suggestion.
edit: oh, I see Evilore reply-banned you from this thread, at your request. So I won't expect a reply.
Good luck, and don't let a gaming forum stress you out. It's not that important.
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Hudo
Gold Member
You just shot yourself in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about CNC machine business culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in your business where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in the CNC machine business you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the CNC machine-using public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase CNC machine for either system, nor will they purchase any of your CNC machines. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but you have alienated an entire market with this move.
You should publicly apologize and cancel your CNC machine, or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Pandawan
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I didn't read the post but i want to say that KCD2 boycott drama is indeed cringe.
KCD2 is one of the most based games of the last decade. Even RDR2 had less balls. Anyone who even said a word about boycotting this game is completely braindead. Political activism has rotted their brains to the core. They just don't think on their own, they cannot perform the basic human functions of observing things and drawing conclusions.. They are just like: DAAA, MMMM, GAYS, BOYCOTTE, EEEEEEHHHHHH. And drools
KCD2 is one of the most based games of the last decade. Even RDR2 had less balls. Anyone who even said a word about boycotting this game is completely braindead. Political activism has rotted their brains to the core. They just don't think on their own, they cannot perform the basic human functions of observing things and drawing conclusions.. They are just like: DAAA, MMMM, GAYS, BOYCOTTE, EEEEEEHHHHHH. And drools
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Grizzled Ghost
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I can vouch for this. My uncle, who worked in a machine shop, had to commit seppuku after accidentally calling a Laser Cutter a Plasma Cutter.
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
Mass Effect with Kaidan gay romance : WoW ! This game marked History ! Such a gem even today !
Kingdom Come Deliverance II with gay romance : How DARE you, WOKE TRASH.
Not about that, at least for me.. it's about taking a character that had no interest in men in the first game and making him suddenly can like guys, to me this sounds forced but it's optional so no issue for me.
I wonder how people here will feel if for TLoU 3 Ellie will suddenly likes men, or any character that previously didn't show interest in other sex...
There is a antiwoke movement that is as dumb as the woke one. Those guys are losing their minds over a game cause it has ONE black dude and another character that can be bissexual IF the player plays the game that way
duck_sauce
Member
I see a circular argument here. What about you?
hinch7
Member
KCD 2 drama and boycott is dumb and the grifters who farm content for social-political nonsense only do it for the clicks. Unfortunately some games get caught in the crossfire of this BS politic war. Even when its not even fucking remotely 'woke' these leeches keep using this as content to grift more. Thankfully the pendulum is swinging more to neutrality as businesses can't afford to cause controversy. But its shitty that good games with good intentions get shit on.
Hopefully when all this blows over the next few years we can get the brain rot from both extremes out. People will stop thinking and talking about this nonsense and this will be a short lul era we can all point and laugh at.
Hopefully when all this blows over the next few years we can get the brain rot from both extremes out. People will stop thinking and talking about this nonsense and this will be a short lul era we can all point and laugh at.
Fortress of Regrets
Member
I just play video games. Culture wars are for idiots. We live in embarrassing times.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Agreed, both extremes are full of dumb, narrow-minded people.
Oh there is. Many are on this very forum.
Oh there is. Many are on this very forum.
You are perfect consumer, corporations are very glad that you exist. Please don't think about anything, just consume.
Here's Musa of Mali's amazing voice-lines. The comment has marked the best of them:
Some tremendous examples of the games non-wokene and completely natural lines:
It's minor/optional/non-forced/whatever bullshit popped first in your head, so doesn't count. Also have you seen these CCU numbers? Consumers spoooooke
Fortress of Regrets
Member
I think you misunderstand. It's not that I don't skip games that look awful to me. I just don't "culture war" on the internet - for MY side - like a moron aching to belong to some cult with a defined enemy of The Righteous Purpose.
I play games with gay people and *gasp* black people. I also play games that oversexualize women, because I like tits. I don't need my games to pass purity tests of any kind.
GymWolf
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You mean Mansa Musa? The richest man in the world in ancient times? He wasn't real? WOW! I guess history is wrong, then.