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[Prince of Space]

Cutting Cor from the main party was the right call, too -- dude would've cramped the "bros on a road trip" aesthetic pretty hard.

 

[Mesoian]

I've seen enough of gaf and other sites to know people would have, it's not that hard to see they would.

I wonder if those people would ever be happy with what FF15 is or will be or could have been.

This game was put on such a pedestal for so long that regardless of what the game was, there would be very vocal people who would never be happy with it. IMO - it would just be one more thing to complain about.

Cutting Cor from the main party was the right call, too -- dude would've cramped the "bros on a road trip" aesthetic pretty hard.

Like Iris did.

 

[Ferr986]

He's right. People got too ridiculously attached to Stella. People would complain no matter what they would do with her... Although people also complained because she got removed lol

 

[JayEH]

Cutting Cor from the main party was the right call, too -- dude would've cramped the "bros on a road trip" aesthetic pretty hard.

He could have worked as an early party member that dies and helps the rest of the bros grow stronger. Go all the way anime.

 

[brawly]

Cutting Cor from the main party was the right call, too -- dude would've cramped the "bros on a road trip" aesthetic pretty hard.

Cutting him from the game almost completely on the other hand was not.

 

[Ray Down]

I wonder if those people would ever be happy with what FF15 is or will be or could have been.

Some yes and some no.

In the end I don't care if they do or not to ever find out.

 

[yunbuns]

That would have still been a thousand times more memorable than the crap they did with Luna.

An 'edgy' twist where she's actually dead the whole time because Noctis murdered her isn't memorable, it's just as stupid as Luna's role.

Like Iris did.

Iris wasn't even a main party member.

 

[Ferr986]

An 'edgy; twist where she's actually dead the whole time because Noctis murdered her isn't memorable, it's just as stupid as Luna's role.

Yeah It was FF8 twist all over again.

 

[TRUE ORDER]

Good read.
Even though I liked Stella's design it was a good choice not to bring her over to XV.

 

[kennyamr]

After playing... and finishing both Type-0 and XV, I gotta say, Tabata is a director that ship games. I'll give him that.

That's all the credit I will give to him.

 

[yunbuns]

Yeah It was FF8 twist all over again.

Don't slander VIII like this.

 

[Sayad]

Luna is up there with the worst 5 things about FFXV, just behind Chapter 13, Leviathan fight and the train trip. Not that I think Nomura can do any better.

 

[jett]

So they created FFXV's story by cobbling together a bunch of trailers for a dead game.

 

[piccio_ssl]

[Versus] was more an idea that an actual game, whereas what we've created here is a complete, finished product.

congratulations

 

[Ray Down]

Yeah It was FF8 twist all over again.

Are you talking about the orphanage shit?

 

[Mesoian]

After playing... and finishing both Type-0 and XV, I gotta say, Tabata is a director that ship games. I'll give him that.

That's all the credit I will give to him.

Ha.

I will say, Tabata has a fetish for poor endings. He doesn't just like them, he rolls around in them.

Are you talking about the orphanage shit?

On top of

Spoiler

"Is Squall dead?"

stuff.

FF8 sucks. Hate that game so much.

 

[Squire]

Versus always struck as ideas and potential more than being anything concrete, yes. The idea that FFXV is finished is LOL though

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Blah :/

 

[notaskwid]

Ha.

I will say, Tabata has a fetish for poor endings. He doesn't just like them, he rolls around in them.

Both Crisis Core snd XB's ending were great, I dunno what you're talking about.

 

[Mesoian]

Both Crisis Core snd XB's ending were great, I dunno what you're talking about.

::Snerk::

You made soda come out of my nose.

 

[Sayad]

Are you talking about the orphanage shit?

He's talking about this:
http://squallsdead.com/

 

[yunbuns]

Are you talking about the orphanage shit?

That was hinted at throughout the game though.....

Also you all know

Spoiler

Squall is Dead

is just a theory like

Spoiler

Rinoa is Ultimecia

right?

 

[JayEH]

After playing... and finishing both Type-0 and XV, I gotta say, Tabata is a director that ship games. I'll give him that.

That's all the credit I will give to him.

Square could use more people who can ship games in reasonable time.

 

[Ydelnae]

"versus xiii was an unfinished product that was abandoned and xv is an unfinished game sold at retail so I would say we accomplished something"

Hajime Tabata, an interview.

 

[KyleOnTheRun]

After playing... and finishing both Type-0 and XV, I gotta say, Tabata is a director that ship games. I'll give him that.

That's all the credit I will give to him.

Ha.

I will say, Tabata has a fetish for poor endings. He doesn't just like them, he rolls around in them.

Don't forget the absence of care for lore and plot holes.

Edit: wrong stuff below. I checked out of this game after I thought Tabata said Ifrit things.

Spoiler

"Tabata, can you tell us more about Ifrit and his background beyond the game?"

"I'm not aware of those details."

 

[Prince of Space]

XV is a finished game, though.

 

[yunbuns]

Don't forget the absence of care for lore and plot holes.

"Tabata, can you tell us more about Ifrit and his background beyond the game?"

"I'm not aware of those details."

Wasn't that a mistranslation that got spread around and it turned out he didn't actually say that?

I mean, the point is, even if you choose to believe any of these theories, the endgame of FF8 is still dogshit. No matter what you pick, that ending is still terrible because it really factors into almost nothing that happened in the game. It's a hard curtain on a 40 hour story for the sake of having a hard curtain on a 40 hour story, it sucks.

Say what you will about 15's ending, at least it's definitive.

I mean I can respect someone not liking a game but this is completely false and almost sounds like you didn't pay attention to anything in it but whatever.

Bleh even if it was, still worst FF game to me.

Didn't you only play the beginning? :/

 

[Mesoian]

That was hinted at throughout the game though.....

Also you all know Squall is Dead is just a theory like Rinoa is Ultimecia right?

I mean, the point is, even if you choose to believe any of these theories, the endgame of FF8 is still dogshit. No matter what you pick, that ending is still terrible because it really factors into almost nothing that happened in the game. It's a hard curtain on a 40 hour story for the sake of having a hard curtain on a 40 hour story, it sucks.

Say what you will about 15's ending, at least it's definitive.

 

[Ydelnae]

Don't forget the absence of care for lore and plot holes.

"Tabata, can you tell us more about Ifrit and his background beyond the game?"

"I'm not aware of those details."

That was a mistranslation from the Ultimania guide and that quote didn't even belong to Tabata, even if it leaked along with his interview thing. What it said is that in the world of XV, the legend of Ifrit and what happened are unknown by humanity.

 

[notaskwid]

You guya keep on waiting and Tabata-sama keeps on winning.
Smell ya later nerds

 

[Ray Down]

That was hinted at throughout the game though.....

Also you all know

Spoiler

Squall is Dead

is just a theory like

Spoiler

Rinoa is Ultimecia

right?

Bleh even if it was, still worst FF game to me.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Bleh even if it was, still worst FF game to me.

Aw Ray not like this...it's the best ff

 

[Mesoian]

Aw Ray not like this...it's the best ff

He ain't wrong.

 

[Squire]

XV is a finished game, though.

It's finished when it's convenient to say so, but they'll keep working on it, adding in things that should've been there to start, if that's the more preferable line. It all depends on who Tabata is talking to and what he's being asked. Consistency be damned.

At this point, I think more highly of Motomu Toriyama than this guy.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Don't forget the absence of care for lore and plot holes.

Edit: wrong stuff below. I checked out of this game after I thought Tabata said Ifrit things.

Spoiler

"Tabata, can you tell us more about Ifrit and his background beyond the game?"

"I'm not aware of those details."

Now this quote is being attributed to Tabata while originally I heard something similar from Nomura regarding this quote and it was fake.

 

[Ray Down]

Aw Ray not like this...it's the best ff

Nah I just can't get with it.

It's Bleach level for me.

 

[Minamu]

Why do you say that? Instead of leaving Stella in the game they decided to replace her completely since she obviously wasn't going to be the same character.

I think the reason given is very odd. I think people are more disappointed with what they did get, than with what they didn't get. Regardless of how she was changed in the story and gameplay, I don't understand why that would require a new name and face. That's far more work than just reworking the story and leaving the assets as is.

What about it doesn't make sense? What people expected Stella to be like from the early concepts and trailers would've been completely different from the new Stella they would've gotten in FFXV (fortunately, we now know what her role in the original Versus plot would've been and it indeed was completely different). There would've been backlash anyway if they kept the name for FFXV - "Why wasn't she bad-ass and why didn't Stella fight Noctis!?".

Given that the rest of the game we got is vastly different from what Versus was intended as, changing Stella into a different character is fine. Stories and character intentions etc change all the time, so people's perceptions of Stella based on the trailers shouldn't be on the devs' mind in my opinion, that's how you write yourself into a corner. Me personally, I don't care that the character itself is different from the inital concept, what I don't get is why that requires a different 3D model, especially based on how little Luna content there is in XV. Seems unnecessary, is all. There are probably reasons why the artist changed her face and all, but the reasons given don't add up as logical to me.

They could've simply officially said that yeah, the story from Versus is way different now and we're doing our own thing. They kinda did multiple times, but why that justifies changing a character name doesn't make sense to me. They didn't change Noctis' look or name, and he's very different from the original concept as well I'd wager. Given how little there actually existed of Versus and how little we truly knew of its story, if they'd kept the name and created a different story path for her, very few would probably be none the wiser. I want to point out though, I don't personally care about the new name or the change itself, I just don't understand their reasoning for doing it in the first place.

Long post is long, slow evening at work :lol

TLDR: Rename Luna to Stella, and change her physical appearance. Nothing about XV would be different -> the change feels oddly unnecessary to me. The reasons given in interviews are not making up for this discrepancy

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Nah I just can't get with it.

It's Bleach level for me.

We gonna stream Ffviii when it comes to ps4(square plz) you will change this opinion

 

[Ray Down]

I bought FF7 on PSN and still haven't played it, what makes you think I would ever play FF8.

Spoiler

Will play if you reject Carrot and follow Pudding.

 

[Burbeting]

They should have scrapped all of Versus, and gone with a new game instead. With Nomura on FF7R, people would have been less angry.

Also the amount of "Why wasn't Luna called Stella" posts is pretty weird. It would have been a lot more harsh PR problem if Stella name was used for Luna's role.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I bought FF7 on PSN and still haven't played it, what makes you think I would ever play FF8.

Spoiler

Will play if you reject Carrot and follow Pudding.

We are at an impass. Not happening. I'd sooner eat cup noodles 🍝

 

[Akainu]

.
Like wtf was nomura/Square(blame whoever whatever) doing for freaking years

Working on other projects while versus was left to rot.

 

[bigol]

Tabata about DLC and cutscenes patch:

It's not that users have an incomplete version of the game and that we're filling in the gaps now. Rather, we've already released the complete version of the game, and what we're doing is simply enhancing that experience for people, or providing different styles of play for characters.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Tabata about DLC and cutscenes patch:

It's not that users have an incomplete version of the game and that we're filling in the gaps now. Rather, we've already released the complete version of the game, and what we're doing is simply enhancing that experience for people, or providing different styles of play for characters.

Coughs *bullshit

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Tabata about DLC and cutscenes patch:

Yet people will keep screaming 'incomplete'.

 

[sackninja]

There must have been moments even that afternoon when Daisy tumbled short of his dreams – not through her own fault, but because of the colossal vitality of his illusion. It had gone beyond her, beyond everything. He had thrown himself into it with a creative passion, adding to it all the time, decking it out with every bright feather that drifted his way. No amount of fire or freshness can challenge what a man will store up in his ghostly heart....

This always feels relevant when talking about FfXV

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Coughs *bullshit

I mean can't think of a single developer that would say different whether the game is actually complete or not in y'all minds

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I mean can't think of a single developer that would say different whether the game is actually complete or not in y'all minds

This is true.

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

"Complete game"...right. I'm sure you would have liked to actually finish it Tabata, but I know I would never want to call something obviously incomplete, "complete", and would just try to avoid using the word at least.

 

[KZXcellent]

So who is better at spinning - Tabata or Reggie from Nintendo?