SSM's second team has been working on a new ip since they shipped gow3,it has guys from the gow team too including stig.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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No they didn't. The price was the single biggest mistake they made with the PS3. The console didn't sell well to begin with.
We are talking about the launch, $599 console that had very few games. Not later bundles or models sold at different prices or in different configurations.
Thats based on the first pressing of their chips. The failure rate was higher than expected but not unusual for a first run meant for devkits anyway.
As far as I know everything is still on track for the retail unit production.
With all the rumors about Sony focusing on APU and stackable memory, there is a really good chance that final mainboard design will be fairly simple. If they dont elect to use dedicated GPU [
] then they will not loose much if they aim for 350$ price. 1-3 game purchases will bring them back to the profit.
IMO, with only APU the max they can get is 2Tflops, around 8-10x increase over PS3 when we account optimizations that are part of the new hardware and software. That's not bad... but its far from maximum potential of 200W console.
] then they will not loose much if they aim for 350$ price. 1-3 game purchases will bring them back to the profit.IMO, with only APU the max they can get is 2Tflops, around 8-10x increase over PS3 when we account optimizations that are part of the new hardware and software. That's not bad... but its far from maximum potential of 200W console.
The difference is the PS3 was coming off the PS2, a console that sold 100+ million at the time with a huge selection of games, the PS4 will be coming off from the PS3 and Vita.
All true, but despite that it worked out. If it didn't it would've been dead long ago
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It's all based on how Sony tells devs what to do. The PSP was quickly abandoned because the PS3 was coming so soon.
I can see sony going for $350 price for a basic model, and MS going with more expencive route [400 or more] but with the addition of subscription based purchase. Sadly outside US, that shit wont fly in majority of the countries because of the vastly different cable TV ecosystems.
As always, majority of the Europe will again be fucked with $= prices, with few taxes added onto that.
As always, majority of the Europe will again be fucked with $= prices, with few taxes added onto that.
grimshawish
Banned
It is silly. They may want more information on Sony's strategy though; as oppose to just having confidence in them to get some sort of market share.
Long as devs are confident it'll be fine.
I always feel sorry for the PSP, I wouldn't say it was quickly abandoned.
Did it have the heavyweights and numbers that series like GT5 or lesser like Uncharted and Killzone make on the PS3, no, but it has managed to sell more than the 360 by a few million at this point despite being released earlier the same year in regions outside of Japan, and has been one of the best selling handheld consoles that isn't made by Nintendo.
People mock the PSP too easily considering how well it has done, chances are the 360 and PS3 will be nearing or hit 80m by the time either next-gen iterations arrive and those numbers will be deemed a success, yet the PSP at like 75m is a failure in the eyes of some.
With all the rumors about Sony focusing on APU and stackable memory, there is a really good chance that final mainboard design will be fairly simple. If they dont elect to use dedicated GPU [
IMO, with only APU the max they can get is 2Tflops, around 8-10x increase over PS3 when we account optimizations that are part of the new hardware and software. That's not bad... but its far from maximum potential of 200W console.
2Tflops or a bit higher is (I'm expecting 2.2-2.5) possible and would be fantastic in a home console. We know that, at least at some point, Sony was aiming for around 10x the performance of the PS3 so it lines up with what they're aiming for. An APU set up would also allow for faster communication between CPU, GPU, and RAM so the console optimizations will go a little bit further. 10x PS3 performance would easily allow for 1080p with lots of high end visual effects.
Makes no difference considering the Wii and 360 had pretty pedestrian predecessors. Yeah the 600 $ is insane though. I think MS has a far bigger problem. 360 is still yet to outsell PS3 after the PS3's launch inspite of a zillion goof up's from Sony and this is their second gen. I still cant believe that PS3 reached 70 million units after having absolutely nothing at launch both from a games and online infrastructure perspective. I think MS strategy of not expanding enough outside NA may hit them in the future. Particularly the emerging markets.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Heh, gonna be a lot of pissed off Gafers when it comes to market only slightly more powerful than PS3. It will be smaller and cheaper though, so that's good. If it runs current gen games at 1080p/60 I'm sold. Hopefully they are pumping less money into R&D and more into software development. Bring it, Sony!
SolidSnakex
Member
If they were to release a console that was capable of running something like Uncharted at 1080p/60fps, then it certainly wouldn't be slightly more powerful than the PS3.
Glorified G
Member
This makes no sense. Why would Sony spend millions on R & D to manufacture a new console that would end up being slightly more powerful than a PS3?
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
I'd imagine those being the standards for a super hd remake, in that the PS4 would be able to run that with ease.
Psychotext
Member
I doubt Microsoft cares. They made a decision to go for profitability over install base, you could see that very clearly when they let the console go a couple of years without a price drop.
Had they been willing to lose the sort of money Sony lost then I think you'd have seen a very different outcome.
Not that I think such a thing will happen, but you could say the exact same thing about Nintendo.
grimshawish
Banned
They have said this? Where?
flipswitch
Member
And they think the games will only be 720p.
I bet the majority if not all launch games will be 1080p.
Glorified G
Member
I'd say the tech in the Wii U is a pretty big step up from the Wii.
It depends on what assets and optimaztions they do.
I am pretty sure you will see more games @ 1080 p especially from japan side
Boss Man
Member
I would actually expect to see more 1080p stuff at launch than later on. Console devs are all about the smoke and mirrors. The name of the game is squeezing as much of it into the hardware as you can, and I think that usually ends up sacrificing things like frame rate and resolution.
I think we'll see more 1080p games on the PSN/Live side, but maybe not when we're getting into the "next-gen looking" games a couple of years in.
pieatorium
Member
I'm expecting the PS4/720 to be good jumps in power but lets not get crazy here, getting all the new bells an whistles into the games will be more important to most devs than framerate and resolution.
I actually expect alot of the luanch games to hit 1080 because alot of them will be cross gen but wouldn't be suprised at all if the next batch of exclusively next gen stuff takes some performance hits.
You should hurry back to the Wii U thread of next-generation hardware.
People don't just buy new consoles without games. Most early adopters are quite feverish and end up purchasing whatever first party / major third party titles are available at launch. Once you combine that with peripheral sales, "online" pass sales, and premium services, the $100 is blunted considerably.
Sony and MS are better off launching in 2014 once tech matures to an extent where there is affordable hardware alongside giant leaps of performance. No one will argue with a $299 (almost break even) box with a 2.5 TF performance in 2014.
We are the cusp of paradigm shifts in technologies. 3D Stacked Ram, 20nm GPUs, and cheaper chipsets that would allow Wii U esque streaming. The opportunities are endless, and considering all of the above, next generation could breathe life into an industry that is stagnating considerably. 2013 can be FUCKING stacked if developers want to. GTA V, the Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Versus XIII
lol) and God of War are just the tip of the Iceberg.flipswitch
Member
Let's hope it's 1st qtr 2014. Launch games should have extra polish.
2014 is a sensible choice. A 2.5-3.0 TF machine, alongside 4-8 GB stacked DDR, cheap Miracast support, and a $299-$349 price tag can be in the realm of possibility.
$30.000.000 is a lot?
2013 is NOT a sensible choice. There is already a huge downward slope in sales and there isn't much lower the PS3 can go in regards to pricing. Not to mention studios are gearing up to move forward.
2013 holidays is probably where everything is being aimed, and the technology for the PS4 (and Durango) have already been selected. Mass production should start around summer.
LOL
2013 holidays is probably where everything is being aimed, and the technology for the PS4 (and Durango) have already been selected. Mass production should start around summer.
thuway said:
LOL
Are 2.5 to 3 TF really that "lol-worthy"? The 7970m is out right now and does >2TF at 75W. If someone wanted to build a console similarly powerful (in terms of energy) to -- or even slightly less than -- 360/PS3 at launch (and we'll see if this is actually the case), they should have no issue at all reaching this number in late 2013 with a total power budget of ~ 150W. Which is still significantly less than the launch PS3s 210 Watt peak in-game.
I bolded that in relation to the price being LOL worthy (though the Miracast crack put it over the top), not the possibility of a 3TF machine (though as far as anyone has leaked, they're still targeting 2).
With that said, as far as I remember the 7970m is a top-binned and underclocked Pitcairn - and obviously as a result costs more than a standard desktop-grade part. Using top-binned components is never a good way to gauge expectations for something that will go into mass production in months, in my opinion.
TurkishEmperor said:
I'm a huge fan of SSDs and use them in many of my PCs, but the price per gigabyte and the longetivity is still not quite there for a console device in my opinion. I think you'll have an option with flash memory, and an option with a 2.5" platter drive.
Canis lupus
Member
SSDs Sony, have PS4s take full advantage of them.
Q1 2014 at $349-449.
@Everyone claiming that games will be 720p again - we've had 7/8 years of 720p. Prolonging this horrid resolution into next 7-8 years would be terrible (equivalent of Microsoft going with DVD9 again).
My steaming hatred for 720p stems from the fact that I'm gaming on a 1080p native display (and most displays today are 1080p native) so every time I start a 720p (and less) game, my eyes get a little raped. 720p will probably become SD resolution in a few years (specially with the advent of UltraHD) so let's just allow it to retire gracefully.
Canis lupus
Member
Yeah I imagine the price of a PS4 would rise signficantly with the inclusion of an SSD. But Sony should make them more useful than PS3s, the performance is minimal.
Release date? Worldwide blitz: November 4th 2013.
Skus?
$299 - gimped - psn packin game [flower 2 or journey 2 or a bundle]
$499 - premium - psn packin game, one year subscription, two controllers etc etc.
$599 - super playstation - all the above + terabyte drive.
Unless they do something radical with the controller.
Skus?
$299 - gimped - psn packin game [flower 2 or journey 2 or a bundle]
$499 - premium - psn packin game, one year subscription, two controllers etc etc.
$599 - super playstation - all the above + terabyte drive.
Unless they do something radical with the controller.
Brad Grenz
Member
We've reached a point where they could probably do a small SSD as cheaply as a mechanical hard drive next year, but it's a choice between 64GB and 500GB-1TB.
Nope, 2 SKUS only. The more expensive one will be the true console they wanted to make. The cheaper one will be a bit gimped to attract those who think the price is a bit too high. We're talking the difference of hard drive/SSD space, visual differences, possibly extra ports similar to how the 60gb PS3 had memory card ports.
A lot of that's based on the fact that many games this generation weren't even 720p in order to put in more effects. We'll probably see similar next gen actually: 720p will be the new bare minimum, but most games will be 1080 or somewhere in between the two. Still going to have scaling messing up IQ though.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Illogical lunacy would be releasing a very powerful, $500+ system that requires big teams with big budgets and lots of time to make software. Sony would only do that if they had learned nothing from the last 6 years or so.
Realistically they will put out something more powerful than PS3, yes, but not dramatically so. If you're expecting a jump in visuals comparable to last gen... I don't think that's in the cards. Not if they want to do any better next round.
There is also the issue of an undeniable shift in the games industry toward mobile and overall less complicated software. That is happening for sure. The companies who do well in the next generation will have adapted to this trend and scaled accordingly.
Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man, that's a good one.
I added that just cause they might as well have a really high end sku. That's a lot of profit even if it's 1 percent of their market.
The top one percent exists in society. I never really understood why console makers sold all their boxes at a loss.
At ten percent, it becomes worth giving a shot. You still have your lower end in tact.
The top one percent exists in society. I never really understood why console makers sold all their boxes at a loss.
At ten percent, it becomes worth giving a shot. You still have your lower end in tact.
Curious how much profit they actually turn on these third-party titles. I don't see how this is much different than what PS3/360 tried and struggled with.