Oh yea, that. I thought by now, packing in Component cables would be more expensive that HDMI. I am pretty sure that they won't do it with PS4. But... it's Sony so, much like Joker, expect the unexpected.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
- Thread starter Globox_82
- Start date
Oh yea, that. I thought by now, packing in Component cables would be more expensive that HDMI. I am pretty sure that they won't do it with PS4. But... it's Sony so, much like Joker, expect the unexpected.
i hope Sony doesn't go the 500 route...
Maybe MS, don't expect this from sony
James Sawyer Ford
Member
New PS3 dev kits are around 12-16 GB? Looks like it will be close, I would expect Sony to have nearly all of those features, but 1080p/60f locked is a pipe dream because devs will always try to use the power as they see fit.
We are at an impasse.
I would rather have the framerate.
That's a huge factor for me. I really hope both consoles allow that.
How does that work ?? usually its the phone carriers who do this...
What's the origin of your new avatar?
It's 8 and 16GB not 12.
I think they are currently assessing the needs and reactions of third party devs, more than their first parties. They may go the 8GB route to keep parity for third party games. I am sure Sony doesn't want a repeat of what happened with the PS3.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
AA isn't going to make a huge difference if the games are @ 1080p and you're sitting 6-10 feet away from your TV as most of us will be doing. AA is a major problem with graphics but @ higher resolutions it's not as jarring.
I'm just happy to hear they're going for 1080p. I really don't care about 60 fps and actually want 30 so the visual fidelity can be as good as possible. 1080p native is huge though, I really hope Sony and MS deliver on that front.
I'm just happy to hear they're going for 1080p. I really don't care about 60 fps and actually want 30 so the visual fidelity can be as good as possible. 1080p native is huge though, I really hope Sony and MS deliver on that front.
H_Prestige
Banned
I think both consoles will allow it. 360 already does. And one of the recent ps4 rumors claims Sony will go one step further.
So here's a real zinger of a question: All else being equal, which is more resource intensive- 1080p or 720p with AA and AF?
I found it somewhere on the net. I can try and find the link if you like it.
It's amazing. I wish it was a painting so that I could buy it.
I thought it was one of Vincent van Gogh's works. It'll be great if you can link it here. Thanks.
I think they are waiting to see what MS will do, which is something I don't like. Be a leader, not a follower. Give devs 8bg if that's what they want
bequietdrive
Member
Rocksteady hard at work on something for next gen Sony platform. http://iplaygam3s.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/rocksteady-working-on-game-for-next-gen.html
Hoping for a new IP personally..
Hoping for a new IP personally..
Like I said, they don't a repeat of what happened with PS3 and multiplat games. PS and XB are vying for the same consumer base. As such if they get left behind in multiplat games it will hurt their hardware sales right out of the gate. Especially more so if they launch PS4 AFTER Xbox 3.
Interesting bit about the security. What annoys me though that there is no date on the article. Would you happen to know when the entry was made on the website?
There are many kinds of AA. Some are very resource intensive, some are very efficient and fast.
bequietdrive
Member
A couple of days ago, I wrote it haha. I haven't spoken to my source for a while but will try and get some more details about the dev kit etc next time he's online.
Here yw
http://www.crystalinks.com/dreamrbleafgirl.jpg
If someone knows the name of this painting, if it is that. I would appreciate it.
Rocksteady has great relatioship with Sony, right? I remember reading something about it.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
probably that silver age batman that's been hinted? batman arkham asylum was 2009, arkham city was 2011, i could see a new batman game in 2013.
Thanks for the article and may I suggest putting in dates henceforth (a pet peeve of mine). It adds to the credibility for citation.
Thank you.
Why should Sony cater to the minority of people who won't make up for the cost risk of going with one SKU?
Not really. The only people who care about the differences in multi-plat titles are multi-console owners, tech enthusiasts, and fanboys. The rest of the gamers, who make up the majority, won't care if one version has a few more lines of resolution or a slightly higher frame rate.
Price will play a bigger role. It wasn't so much the lesser ports that effected the ps3 early on, but the fact that you could get the same games on a cheaper platform.
As long as the ports are there and the price is good, the ps4 could do just fine in sales.
Because IMO, multiple SKUs only serve to confuse the general public. The Wii was most successful when it had one SKU, while Sony and Microsoft were preoccupied with releasing eighteen different SKUs to try and capture as much of the same audience as they could.
I hate multiple SKUs, major pet peeve of mine.
Then by that account, ports of next gen games on WiiU should sell the max given that console would have the largest customer base of the three.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
yeah we're the ones that'll be moaning about not having a cheaper sku lol
H_Prestige
Banned
You might as well say Wii was successful because the games came in white boxes.
Different storage capacities exist in every product. Nobody worth a damn is confused by it.
Here's what I want from the PS4:
Better controller: I really liked the duel shock controller in the PS1/PS2 days but with the PS3 it felt way to light and too small for my hands, and if Sony sticks with the same controller again only that might make me only buy RPG's for the PS4 since the duel shock feels great with RPG's but not with any other genre (imo).
RPGs: I want Sony to look at the PS3 and then look at the PS1/PS2 and do what they did for them, RPG's was a huge reason why I loved the PS2 so much and I felt their isn't enough good RPG's on the PS3 (or maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
Existing first party support: I like how Sony always creates new IP's but it would be nice if they brought old ones and made them better, I am still upset that Sony didn't buy the rights to Crash and Spyro because now they are forgotten.
Better controller: I really liked the duel shock controller in the PS1/PS2 days but with the PS3 it felt way to light and too small for my hands, and if Sony sticks with the same controller again only that might make me only buy RPG's for the PS4 since the duel shock feels great with RPG's but not with any other genre (imo).
RPGs: I want Sony to look at the PS3 and then look at the PS1/PS2 and do what they did for them, RPG's was a huge reason why I loved the PS2 so much and I felt their isn't enough good RPG's on the PS3 (or maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
Existing first party support: I like how Sony always creates new IP's but it would be nice if they brought old ones and made them better, I am still upset that Sony didn't buy the rights to Crash and Spyro because now they are forgotten.
I think you should stick to your xbox
iamvin22
Industry Verified
you gotta love the huge tease on the e3 website.
"This is the year.
This is the E3 you won't want to miss.
See What's Next in Video Games at E3 2013
E3 brings you to the epicenter of the video game industry.
Experience the latest in ground-breaking technologies and test-drive products for
consoles, PCs, mobile phones, handheld systems and the Internet.
It's interactive entertainment. It's video games.
It's what's next now."
"This is the year.
This is the E3 you won't want to miss.
See What's Next in Video Games at E3 2013
E3 brings you to the epicenter of the video game industry.
Experience the latest in ground-breaking technologies and test-drive products for
consoles, PCs, mobile phones, handheld systems and the Internet.
It's interactive entertainment. It's video games.
It's what's next now."
Except I am always been a Nintendo/Sony guy through the generations, I only had an Xbox in the 6th generation, never had a 360 even though I did/do want one.
And I think everyone would agree on my RPG and first party support comment.
Still, you have to look at it from a business standpoint. The only difference in what's in each SKU would most likely be storage, and included peripherals, nothing to be annoyed about. The general population would be fine with either, especially those looking for a cheaper barrier of entry.
RPGs? Seriously? Sony doesn't control how many "HD" RPG's are made. You can blame Japan, SCAMCO, and Square Enix for being left in the dust.
True. But imagine what if one of their first parties made a WRPG? Of course, that has no bearing on the hardware itself.
I didn't know that. But remember that dev kits generally have DOUBLE the amount of RAM of the actual console. The two released so far have allegedly 8GB and 16GB. So in reality we may see a console whose RAM figures would be somewhere between 4 and 8GB.
Of course they don't control it, I'm just hoping Sony tries to get more RPG's.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I am wondering if they are planning to make the system upgradable for 4k. 2 years ago there were stories about Sony patenting a GPU addon. This is a reasonable path forward if they don't want to overspec the system for 1080p but still don't want to release another system whenever 4k starts to come down in price. The addon doesn't have to do anything but allow for rendering higher resolution. Also with the target market being enthusiasts only it can sell at a high premium.
All I know is I will upgrade my PC's GPU as soon as I can buy a 60 inch 4k TV at somewhere near current price levels.
All I know is I will upgrade my PC's GPU as soon as I can buy a 60 inch 4k TV at somewhere near current price levels.
bequietdrive
Member
That's probably most likely, and the Batman license is obviously a huge money printer since AA. I would just personally really like to see what they can do with their own IP.
badcrumble
Member
Economy of scale and the simplicity on the retail end means that a single hardware SKU has, if anything, a lower cost risk.
It just can't be a gimped model, obviously. I think it makes a LOT more sense for console manufacturers to have a single physical version of the console and, rather than having a 'tard pack,' have a version that is cheaper but locks you into a multi-year PS+/XBL Gold contract or something like that. Identical console in every single box and only two options at the point of sale. No 'shitty' version of the console.
If backwards compatibility isn't built into the console, it ought to be handled with a dongle (hopefully an internal add-on) rather than having separate BC and non-BC SKUs.
Nizz
Member
I keep seeing that internal memo rumor of 1080p/60fps mandate and while I welcome it with open arms I honestly don't know if devs will embrace that for the life of the console. I'm sure the first couple of cross-gen games like probably Battlefield 4 could be 60fps on the new machines while continuing to be 30fps on current gen.
Except sony owns the ip rights too wild arms, alundra, legend of legia, legend of dragoon, demons souls, champions of norrath/everquest and a few other rpg properties if im not mistaken so they have franchises they could work with for more rpgs.
There is also nothing stopping them from making some new first party rpgs other than their own reluctence to do it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
4gb would be a big drop if a 16gb Sku exists, 8gb not so much
I really want Playstation as a whole BC thou, ie PSX/PS2/PS3 & even PSN BC
That is if the Wii-U even receives ports. =p
Besides the difference between the Wii-U and the ps4/720 versions will be greater than a few lines of resolution or slightly better frame rate.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Ferry to Fairyland - Josephine Wall
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I was just assuming that the A10 is just what is being used in the current revision of dev-kit.
Don't know how big a chip it would be or how likely for that matter.........but what about this:
4-8 Jaguar cores+7850/18CU APU @28nm
4GB DDR4 2.5/3D stacked
Would that be powerful enough and/or cheap enough to produce without too much heat?
What would the estimated chip size and TDP be for the above?
Don't know how big a chip it would be or how likely for that matter.........but what about this:
4-8 Jaguar cores+7850/18CU APU @28nm
4GB DDR4 2.5/3D stacked
Would that be powerful enough and/or cheap enough to produce without too much heat?
What would the estimated chip size and TDP be for the above?
Thanks!