ManaByte
Member
Wait, they delete saves after six months? What the fuck.
I still have Xbox 360 cloud saves.
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Wait, so I cannot copy PS5 save files to a USB drive? I need PS+ to upload them to the cloud?
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Wait, they delete saves after six months? What the fuck.
I still have Xbox 360 cloud saves.
Orbital2060
Member
Your gamesaves are deleted from the PSN cloud after 6 months if you dont resub.
ManaByte
Member
Orbital2060
Member
Yeah theres no way Im putting my Sekiro and Dark Souls saves on the line there
AmuroChan
Member
Since day 1 OP.
Also blame save editor programs like PS3 GG and PS4 SW for that.
Both which I have of course.
I doubt Sony really cares that much about a few thousand people using game genies. It's more likely that they want to get people to sub to PS+ for cloud storage.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
He's right you know
Have you ever unsubbed and never logged in? The 6 months is data protection laws if you don't ever log in. Same with Nintendo. They don't delete it but state they keep it a maximum of 6 months. I have PS3 saves from 2007. As long as you use that NSO/PSN account you're fine.
KloetenQuetsche
Member
Who the hell expecting that they will give you more freedom?
It gets less every year a small peace. Till you got nothing!
It gets less every year a small peace. Till you got nothing!
Orbital2060
Member
Its the kind of genuine consumer right that the FTC should be dealing with, and make it illegal for Sony or anyone else to do this.
Bojji
Member
Are you stupid or something? Recently they set on fire 400 000 000 dollars with Concord release.
You say it was ps+ money?
wvnative
Member
It's to prevent save editing/trophy boosting
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Who gives a shit about that lol? And you can still do it with cloud saves, can you not?
TheGodfather07
Member
You question why?
Sony: pay up, bitch!
Sony: pay up, bitch!
Topher
Identifies as young
Not true. I've got game saves on PSN cloud from 2013 that I can download right now and I wasn't subscribed for more than a year from 2023 to 2024.
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Josemayuste
Member
Wait 'til you hear about the 100 games limit on Cloud saves..
Xbox It not only gives you Cloud saves for the current gen, but you have your saves for Xbox 360 as well.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yep. None of the recent consoles allows for USB backup. MS offers free cloud storage, however.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Don't think that is correct. The limit is 100 GB, not 100 games.
"You can save up to 100 GB of PS5 saved data and 100 GB of PS4 saved data. The number of PS4 saved data files you can store is limited to 1000."
PlayStation Plus cloud storage for PS5 consoles
Find out how to use PlayStation®Plus cloud storage to copy and download saved data, and free up space on your PlayStation®5 console storage.
www.playstation.com
RCU005
Member
Yeah, cloud saves for games is the most stupid thing to not be free. This is just corporate greed at max level. To think all this BS started with a horse armor, which made them realize they could milk people wallets' dry. They are just focusing on finding every way possible.
Josemayuste
Member
Don't think that is correct. The limit is 100 GB, not 100 games.
"You can save up to 100 GB of PS5 saved data and 100 GB of PS4 saved data. The number of PS4 saved data files you can store is limited to 1000."
PlayStation Plus cloud storage for PS5 consoles
Find out how to use PlayStation®Plus cloud storage to copy and download saved data, and free up space on your PlayStation®5 console storage.
Well, 100 Gb. isn't enough neither nowadays, in fact, I reached that cap years ago
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I have over a hundred PS5 games saved and it’s not even using 5% of the cloud data. This includes big bois like GT7. Most of the saves are from games we all won’t ever visit again. Save files aren’t that big for the majority of games. You’re talking 5-15mb on average not counting larger outliers.
You’ll be in a new gen before coming close.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yeah, 100GB is more than enough. The biggest save file I got is Gran Turismo 7 at around 250MB. Demon's Souls is less than 10MB.
For cloud saves? It's plenty.
LavitzSlambert
Member
I’m already at 5GB of saves and I haven’t event played that many games, especially those with large save files. They will need to increase this though it will probably be locked to a higher tier.
xrnzaaas
Member
Yet there are hundreds of trash games in the PS Store made solely for trophy hunters, often without any real gameplay. Or there are games with multiple versions which can autopop trophies as soon as you launch a different version.
But yeah, it's more important to go after the minority who tries to edit saves, surely there's no other motive.
Topher
Identifies as young
Must be a little more than 100GB now looking at my screenshot above. Says I have 102.4GB available. But it looks like it is 100GB (or whatever it is) per generation of PlayStation. Below shows my cloud saves just for PS4. PS5 has its own separate space in the cloud. This is obviously plenty for me.
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I didnt know this either lmao. what the fuck? Whats next? Pay for PSN to save more than once?
Topher
Identifies as young
Apparently this is an across the board console thing, not just PS.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Aparently given how many people are complaining about cloud saves... For Trophy Whores, save scumming is a big deal.
Bojji
Member
But MS has free cloud. On PC you have free cloud (even from fucking EA and Ubi) and you can do whatever you want with your saves.
Sony can go fuck themselves. For PS4 games you still have USB stick option on PS5...
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reinking
Gold Member
We went through some stuff to get my daughter's Animal Crossing save file moved over when she had to swap Switch consoles (for a second time). I believe Nintendo has lost her as a customer.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, having free cloud makes it less of an issue, but it would still be nice if consoles allowed for USB saves. At this point, with the lack of competition, I don't see the cloud save paywall being removed from PS any time soon, unfortunately.
wvnative
Member
No, it's impossible to edit cloud saves.
Orbital2060
Member
Good for you - Ive experienced losing a bunch of saves back in 2013-2014. My Persona 5 save, among others. And I havent resubbed since then.Not true. I've got game saves on PSN cloud from 2013 that I can download right now and I wasn't subscribed for more than a year from 2023 to 2024.
Yep, I've had longer periods where I've not been subbed and they're kept. They can legally delete after 6 months but they don't. The only time this becomes an issue is if you don't interact with your account for extended periods and GDPR laws might come into play.Not true. I've got game saves on PSN cloud from 2013 that I can download right now and I wasn't subscribed for more than a year from 2023 to 2024.
spons
Gold Member
Saves are encrypted, although if you manage to get a console/user-specific decryption key then all bets are off.
Honestly, the 99.9% have to suffer for the vast minority of hackers who manage to do this. Sony should allow for USB transfers.
GHG
Member
I had no idea either, didn't realise until after setting up my pro and wanted to transfer my saves over from my OG model (including demons souls incidentally).
I didn't find a solution, got pissed off, gave up and went right back to playing stuff on PC.
Their loss.
Bojji
Member
Sony was against industry standards with cloud saves (required PS+ from day one in 2010) but they were very pro consumer with that USB copy option. Now they removed it and we are only left with cloud save behind paywall.
Arrogant Sony is back and if someone don't believe it, here is one of examples when they limited consumer experience on PS5. I still don't like lack of web browser vs. PS4...
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Topher
Identifies as young
This is what happens when there is nearly zero competition.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Or the competition makes paid online the norm. They all got their vices that the consumers are wiling to bear. We only have ourselves as a gaming collective to blame.
From paid online components, DLC, to near $2,000 graphics cards.
Thank you sir, may I have another. Thank you sir, may I have another.
asdasdasdbb
Member
But as noted, you can still back up. You just can't Save Scum.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You can save scum when you turn off auto upload. Trickier, but it’s a workaround people use.
What is the FTC going to mandate?
None of the console manufacturers offer USB file backups and they can't force them to offer something for free that costs them money either. Sony just really needs to figure out how to make transfers more seemless. Make it so you can do partial restores better without having to wipe the system. Even if it's just a wired connection from one PS5 to the other like Switch does. There is no reason why that is not possible.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I do agree that it is intentionally designed that way to get Trophy Whores to sign up for PS+.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Why does trophies have to do with this?
How is it 99.9% when most people will never try to copy there game save to another Console that's not their new main console while not being a PS+ subscriber?
Also there is Remote Play if it absolutely has to be your own saved progression that you use while playing on someone else's PlayStation.