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Zenless Zone Zero ༺*|OT|*༻ Gotta Waifu 'Em All ♡(੭´͈ ᐜ `͈)੭♡
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Oh man, I'm so happy with this! It's the first time in ages that I've been able to clear all the critical nodes in Shiu Defense with an S rank.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
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Well, when it comes to discs, my Evelyn is ready to go.
Sadly, there's no leaks on her all core passives and bonuses except this - https://lootbar.gg/blog/en/zenless-zone-zero-evelyn-kit.html (idk how accurate it is + there's still 20 days to go), so we don't know if she'll have Crit Rate or Crit DMG bonuses there, but I think I'm ok with what I have now, Crit DMG could be better but this can be easily fixed with her core passives bonuses and if not, maybe I'll get better Crit DMG discs later. Started to build Lighter cuz my Evelyn team will be Evely - Lighter - Burnice / Lucy, have plenty of lvl up mats for that as well as for active skills (but for only one character here, so I have to gather more of them). If Core passives will have 24% bonus to Crit Rate, then I'll just swap Crit Rate disc with Crit DMG one and call it a day.
Also finished Harumasa story and it's one of the worst in the game tbh, even worse than for Burnice. WAY TOO MUCH dialogue with random NPCs you don't care about at all as well as for Harumasa - very dislike him as a character. So yeah, ugh, only done it for rewards and nothing else.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Guys, remember to do your ZZZ daily check-in on HoYoLab (in case you don't already). You get some free polys for it!
Aenima
Member
All that for just a free pullGuys, remember to do your ZZZ daily check-in on HoYoLab (in case you don't already). You get some free polys for it!
Fucking Hoyoverse.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Takes like 10 sec to do your daily check in, but yeah I get what you mean.All that for just a free pull
Wonko_C
Member
Almost exactly my two teams except Seth replacing Burnice, and that was my first time S-Ranking Critical Node, very comfortably if I might add. Hopefully next time is just as smooth.Oh man, I'm so happy with this! It's the first time in ages that I've been able to clear all the critical nodes in Shiu Defense with an S rank.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Guys, remember to do your ZZZ daily check-in on HoYoLab (in case you don't already). You get some free polys for it!
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The hidden treasure item at the outpost seems to immediately redeem now instead of going into your inventory, basically wasted it for this month.
The Chairman
Member
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, I don't like this at all. I used to get this item and wait till I need it (just like battery stuff), but now it's just redeem automatically which is not how it should work.
Spyxos
Gold Member
happened to me as well...
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I've changed my mind and I'll go after Miyabi's weapon after all. She's the most fun character to play for me and also super powerful so I might as well get the most out of her.
I'm currently 3 - 10 pulls away from getting her w-engine.
Nvm, I was just one pull away
Nvm, I was just one pull away
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Pejo
Gold Member
What do you mean by this? Something tells me I've been missing this hidden treasure thing...
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
There's an item you can buy at the outpost location which will give you 4 boss mats for free each month, well, before recently it was a box in your inventory which you could use and get the mats later. Say you want 1 boss mat and missing 3 of the other boss so you could choose, but now you can't do that and you must choose which 4 you need right away and you can't store the box in the inventory. Moreover, they said nothing about the changes prior so you can end up buying the thing and get boss mats you don't need by not knowing how it works now - which I'm sure a lot of people did and wasted 4 mats.
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Pejo
Gold Member
Ah ok, in that outpost shop then. I was worried they easter-egged some loot in the outpost area every month. Thanks for the info!
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
*****
Just got my 100% for Evelyn after getting M1 Lycaon
, which is a nice 50/50 trade-off since he's one of the best stunners in the game and also good for Miyabi teamI wonder how fast I'll get Evelyn,... hopefully it won't take 80 pulls
Spyxos
Gold Member
Grats, but i feel, when i finally can choose a character(Lycaon) he will not be very useful anymore. And I'm already dreading having to level up another character besides Astra. I wonder if you will ever have enough resources in this game.
*****
Just got my 100% for Evelyn after getting M1 Lycaon
I wonder how fast I'll get Evelyn,... hopefully it won't take 80 pulls
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Thanks
There's no Ice stunners on the horizon based on the leaks (if they're true of course), so Lycaon is with us for a long time still. I've enough mats to lvl 4 characters to lvl 60, just not enough promo mats to promote 4 of them (2 at best), but it's no big deal since I only need to lvl Evelyn and Lighter to 60
As for having enough mats... I'll just say this - only after 1.4 I managed to lvl 3 active skills of one character to the max (very close to the 4th one) so there you go, and I haven't lvl a few characters at all (lvl 10 don't count since it's very cheap) btw so even this didn't help me much. I'm not 100% F2P so there's also that to consider as well.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Lycaon is in a good place because he's a standard s rank and he's the only ice stunner, but if you have lighter there's no point in using him, he replaces lycaon and koleda pretty much entirely.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
In my case Lycaon is lvl 55 and fully built, Lighter is lvl 0, have great discs but I need to build him.
I'm planning to use Lycaon for Miyabi mono Ice team, and Lighter for Evelyn mono Fire team (still need to get Lucy into shape with better discs, but there's plenty of time for that + double disc drops are on the way).
Miyabi mono Ice team (Miyabi - Lycaon - Soukaku) absolutely destroys SD - by the time I'm done with the 1st fight, I've 5+ min to go on the second one. Finished the last 4 SD nodes in just under 10m - could've been better, if Jane had at least 2 primary active skills at lvl 12, but oh well.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Lighter works better than lycaon with miyabi, but I guess if you want to split your teams like that for critical shiyu, that works fine.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, no other reason but SD... yet
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I guess it depends on mindscaopes, how many dupes of her you have, if you have her W-Engine, how good discs are etc. Plus, she's a Void Hunter, they meant to be one of the most powerful characters in ZZZ universe, so I doubt that any single regular character will be better.
There is of course a question of good and fair challenge and here where MHY failed miserably and continues to do so no matter what, cuz for them it means insanely inflated enemy HP and DMG, DPS checks, stupid timers and old as dinos idiotic scores nobody cares about.
There is of course a question of good and fair challenge and here where MHY failed miserably and continues to do so no matter what, cuz for them it means insanely inflated enemy HP and DMG, DPS checks, stupid timers and old as dinos idiotic scores nobody cares about.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
She'll be replaced, all their games have "supreme" characters, in this game it's void hunter, in genshin it's archon and in honkai it's herrscher, and they've all dropped of the meta eventually.
Here's a pretty good video on the first four years of honkai dps
You can see that even when the first herrscher was introduced she was absurdly ahead of everyone, but still dropped off eventually, and now 3 years later, literally none of the ones at the end of the video are relevant anymore (you can still use them but endgame would be a big struggle), they've all been replaced by something bigger and stronger.
Assault and frostburn are pretty strong, so those two things alone will keep miyabi and jane relevant for a long time, but definitely don't think there won't eventually be rando characters that will out dps them both, cause there will.
Though for miyabi they could easily release another version of her where she makes full use of her sword, of release a new w-engine to boost her back up.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Oh, I'm not saying it'll be forever that way, what I meant to say is that Void Hunters (if there'll be more than one) are the strongest in the game and it will take way longer for them to be less viable and especially if you have their mindscapes, W-Engine etc. Plus, W-Engines for example are missing a lot of stats / substats (right now it's just 2) so there's a huge potential and possibility for old characters to be even better when all stats and substats will be available with the new W-Engines. And there's also new support characters which could make old characters better via buffs, better sinergy etc.
Anyway, to be completely honest, this whole thing is the least interesting aspect of ZZZ to me, cuz I care more about the story, characters, the world, everything around all this and anything else is just an icing on the cake
*****
I completely forgot that I had hard versions of story and character related stuff from the past 2 version updates, plus Fairy auto collect feature which I haven't even used once. So I spend last evening doing all this stuff, destroying combat challanges etc.
I think I'm good for quite a while, plus there's plenty of replacement mats for skill and such in case I need them. Not planning to get new limited W-engines yet from 1.5, so no need for mats to lvl them up, although it depends how fast I'll get Evelyn and how many polys 1.5 will have in comparison to 1.4. By the time 1.5 will be launched, I think I'll have at least 35 tapes to start with so that's good
Anyway, to be completely honest, this whole thing is the least interesting aspect of ZZZ to me, cuz I care more about the story, characters, the world, everything around all this and anything else is just an icing on the cake
*****
I completely forgot that I had hard versions of story and character related stuff from the past 2 version updates, plus Fairy auto collect feature which I haven't even used once. So I spend last evening doing all this stuff, destroying combat challanges etc.
I think I'm good for quite a while, plus there's plenty of replacement mats for skill and such in case I need them. Not planning to get new limited W-engines yet from 1.5, so no need for mats to lvl them up, although it depends how fast I'll get Evelyn and how many polys 1.5 will have in comparison to 1.4. By the time 1.5 will be launched, I think I'll have at least 35 tapes to start with so that's good
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Just managed to get 26.6k points in the Bringer boss battle in Deadly Assault with my Miyabi team. She's so freaking OP! 
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Oh, btw, thanks to Miyabi I got 340K+ DMG in the old end game flower boss fight, so I also got a bunch of rewards there too. Needless to say, she's insanely goodJust managed to get 26.6k points in the Bringer boss battle in Deadly Assault with my Miyabi team. She's so freaking OP!
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
340k on nineveh? Do you mean 34m instead? because 340k wouldn't make a dent in its health bar, it has like 25m health per bar. 
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Oh, yeah, my bad, it's actually 34m+340k on nineveh? Do you mean 34m instead? because 340k wouldn't make a dent in its health bar, it has like 25m health per bar.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
That makes more sense.
You might be able to do more damage by removing soukaku though, since she shares the ice build up with miyabi so the anomaly damage will also come from both their stats, though her other buffs to miyabi could make up for that; you should try it with rina or lucy instead and see if your damage improves.
You might be able to do more damage by removing soukaku though, since she shares the ice build up with miyabi so the anomaly damage will also come from both their stats, though her other buffs to miyabi could make up for that; you should try it with rina or lucy instead and see if your damage improves.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I use him on my miyabi team as a downtime dps.
His damage is on the high end, it's probably only miyabi/jane/yanagi that outdamage him, but they outdamage everyone pretty much.
The thing with his damage though, is it only spikes in bursts, kinda like zhu yuan; he gets a massive damage buff is the enemy is under anomaly status effect or stunned, so you basically let him build all his resources off field, and then when the enemy gets any anomaly, or a stun you swap him in and just spend it all and watch him rip the hp bar apart.
Spyxos
Gold Member
Ah thx i was playing him completly wrong.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
lose the w-engine 75/25 after 65 pulls, what a time to be alive
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, but... why should I though? Everything is done, no point in wasting my time there anymore
My Rina is not fully built when it comes to active skills - need to lvl most important ones up to 11 at least, and Lucy... Idk if I'll be 100% using her in Evelyn team cuz based on her passive buffs, she needs another attaker on the team and here's where S11 comes in or any other attacker which works great with Evelyn. We'll see, plenty of time to decide still. The fact that we still don't know which boss mats we need to lvl her core passives is annoying to say the least
The leaks are not so great this time around for some reason, not to mention that we also don't know if both Astra and Evelyn will launch at the same time (Miyabi and Harumasa style) along with the first reruns. I mean, it sucks if we have to wait another 20+ days for Evelyn cuz Astra is anything but appealing in terms of combat - her moves and effects look cool, but mechanically and when it comes to fun factor it's just... ugh, no thanks. And yeah, I know that she's not supposed to be on the field all the time and all that, but so is Lucy and Soukaku and yet they're a lot more fun to play and can do lots of DMG too.
They really should launch two character banners at the same time from now on, there's no point in a 20 days cycle imho, especially if a lot of people will be waiting for Evelyn and hence won't be pulling at all while Astra's banner is active.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's just so you can test the effectiveness of the team with actual numbers behind it, and rina would just be there for support, you'd only have to level her passive and give her pen ratio, she's not there to do any damage, lucy would just be there to give them an attack buff; you could also use caesar or nicole for their buffs/debuffs, basically anyone other than soukaku that can buff/debuff without sharing the shatter anomaly with miyabi.Yeah, but... why should I though? Everything is done, no point in wasting my time there anymore
My Rina is not fully built when it comes to active skills - need to lvl most important ones up to 11 at least, and Lucy... Idk if I'll be 100% using her in Evelyn team cuz based on her passive buffs
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Just finished a bunch of QT events for characters to get some free polys. Man, I get what they were trying to do with them but they're so boring and one note, you can't skip dialogues, you have to wait before they finish talking, you have to quit QT everytime to trigger the next event and it's just... bad, no matter how you look at it. It's not even half way there where it should be, it's more like an alpha state of what it should've been at best and nothing more but a patch on an already bad character trust events in the game to begin with, well, most of them anyway... cuz, I actually liked a few.
I mean, if you decide that you want to improve something, just do it as best as you can and don't half-arse it. Anyway, I think I'm done with QT for quite a while and it was more than I could stomach already. I've zero hope that they'll do a better job in the future but we'll see.
I mean, if you decide that you want to improve something, just do it as best as you can and don't half-arse it. Anyway, I think I'm done with QT for quite a while and it was more than I could stomach already. I've zero hope that they'll do a better job in the future but we'll see.
Spyxos
Gold Member
I was actually looking forward to QT. Yes, the implementation is rather lacking at the moment. They need to expand this world, be it more and better interactions with the characters or generally bigger maps with more possibilities. The game now has more than enough combat content.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, they need to add at least 2 more and bigger areas similar to the Lumina Square at least and they must look way different as well. All the outdoor areas they added after 1.0 were kinda meh at best and way too small, especially the Outer Ring one. I mean, it's not like the port from 1.4 is bad (although it's not even a port and more like a small lighthouse location for a few smaller boats), but the real port location is in the story combat sections only (just like The Twins tower) and can't be explored normally. I'm honestly sick and tired of 1.0 locations to death.
*******
In other news. It looks like we're getting Fall Guys-like event in 1.5 as well as the new bangboo (looks cool, I'm gonna get it in 15 pulls and I hope it's S rank this time around) and dress up bangboo event as well (whatever it means). Also, currently they've fully completed 31 characters of which 26 are already available and 2 will be coming in two weeks. So that leaves 3 more characters we don't know about yet. Speaking of characters, right now there's only one empty slot in the game but there must be 2 for Astra and Evelyn,... which kinda makes you wonder if they decided and gone back to 20 days per character again (which is totally not good at all)
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Damn, I hope it's not gonna happen cuz 20 more days of waiting for Evelyn, while I already have my 100% ready along with 70 tapes (30 free ones after launch),...
Ugh, to say it's going to be a pain is to say nothing
1.5 livestream will probably go live in 2 days from now so we'll have a 100% confirmation there.
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Spyxos
Gold Member
You could get Astra so you don't have to wait for EvelynDamn, I hope it's not gonna happen cuz 20 more days of waiting for Evelyn, while I already have my 100% ready along with 70 tapes (30 free ones after launch),...
Ugh, to say it's going to be a pain is to say nothing
1.5 livestream will probably go live in 2 days from now so we'll have a 100% confirmation there.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
You could get Astra so you don't have to wait for Evelyn
Pejo
Gold Member
Finally did the chapter 5 story. That was pretty good, but why are we pulling the "the power of friendship" shit already in chapter 5 when it feels like the story barely even got started? The narrative has been all over the place since the game came out, and this chapter at least kinda focuses it towards a goal and a path, but there was a lot of minor time skips and asspulls that honestly kinda sucked. ZZZ's narrative strengths are the really stylish and fun cutscenes and the character to character moments, the actual stories are pretty ass still.
For now I like the less TV content, but I hope they continue to shake things up and don't turn the whole game into corridor explorer with 5 interactables for every stage/event/story. I think it was a good move with their relaunch, but variety is the spice of life after all. The Astra sidequest after the main story was fun, if short. She seems a little bit stupid, but I'm glad they're introducing the characters before the patch drops with their banners. At least gives you a chance to get a little hyped.
I for one was glad that Fairy got fucked up and wasn't interrupting the serious bits of the story cracking Marvel-tier quip jokes and doing everything for us. I hope she stays neutered in further stories and takes on more of a plot device/background research grinder.
Also, my girlfriend walked in the room asking me a bunch of questions after I beat Bringer, so I missed the ending cutscene after you beat him. What was going on with the arm self destructing but then the siblings were fine but their eyes glowed? Was it just their visual implants or did it imply something else? I might try to find that part on a youtube video and watch it again to see what I missed during the yapfest I was subjected to by my lovely gf.
For now I like the less TV content, but I hope they continue to shake things up and don't turn the whole game into corridor explorer with 5 interactables for every stage/event/story. I think it was a good move with their relaunch, but variety is the spice of life after all. The Astra sidequest after the main story was fun, if short. She seems a little bit stupid, but I'm glad they're introducing the characters before the patch drops with their banners. At least gives you a chance to get a little hyped.
I for one was glad that Fairy got fucked up and wasn't interrupting the serious bits of the story cracking Marvel-tier quip jokes and doing everything for us. I hope she stays neutered in further stories and takes on more of a plot device/background research grinder.
Also, my girlfriend walked in the room asking me a bunch of questions after I beat Bringer, so I missed the ending cutscene after you beat him. What was going on with the arm self destructing but then the siblings were fine but their eyes glowed? Was it just their visual implants or did it imply something else? I might try to find that part on a youtube video and watch it again to see what I missed during the yapfest I was subjected to by my lovely gf.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
The stories and the themes behind them are not the main and huge problem here though, the main problem is that it's as if you turned ME1-2 into 25 min anime episode with no proper character building, lore and world exploration, proper pacing and everything else which made ME games so great. It's not going to get better cuz of the dev cycle, not now, not ever cuz for it to acually happen they need to launch at least 30-40 hr story update similar to 1.0 and it's not gonna happen. It's sad really.
I don't think she's stupid, she just way too cliche for a music artists who wants to go away from music stuff and be herself if but for a few hrs only on her birthday. Like, I don't have anythings against her as a character really, it's just I don't fuckin' need another goddamn "mage" of which I have plenty already. She's just boring af from a pure combat perspective and it is the main reason I don't need her, maybe ever, unless they'll give her away at some point for free.
Yeah, that was a huge plus, I don't like her at all.
Who knows really, there's no way people can survive such a blast at such a close proximity and there was no sign of an energy shield or something like that... But clearly they're not ordinary people and AI is connected to all this somehow.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
We know their eyes glow either from activating the connection to eous or having it glitch from ether exposure.
However two things were different in the ending, the eyes glitch effects are "outside" and look the same as bringer himself ethereal glitching before dying, and they got zero damage from the explosion.
Then there's bringer's line of "so be it, hide in the shadows for the rest of your days...continue to revel in the fantasy of searching for the 'real villain'". all which together implies something sinister about their teacher carole, or at the very least the helios academy.