Spyxos
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It barely works. I only used it on 1 character and will wait until they improve this system to interact with it futher.
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Zenless Zone Zero ༺*|OT|*༻ Gotta Waifu 'Em All ♡(੭´͈ ᐜ `͈)੭♡
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Bruh, 30k dennies!? Give me at least 100 polys if you want me to take your survey.
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Reizo Ryuu
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Yeah, saw the dennies "reward" and peaced out.
Icymanipulator
Member
I have this, easy install, works perfectly.
Definitely go at least 2 TB, 1 isn’t that much cheaper
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Stumbled on the hidden commission "the prophecy" for the first time, that was without a doubt the best commission in the game by far.
The end had no business being as hype as it was; reminded me of nier automata's ending
This made me really miss the lack of any substantial TV mode stuff recently, there's so many cool things they can do with it.
The end had no business being as hype as it was; reminded me of nier automata's ending
This made me really miss the lack of any substantial TV mode stuff recently, there's so many cool things they can do with it.
Aenima
Member
I could do these surveys for free anyway just for the pleasure to show how unsatisfied i am and how trash Hoyoverse is. These greedy MOFOs was the only gacha i play that dont even bothered giving any free pulls for new year and holidays. Its just hard to drop this game when Jane Doe mesmerizing jiggly ass is in my face while i do my dailies. Damn you sexy rat.Bruh, 30k dennies!? Give me at least 100 polys if you want me to take your survey.
Also curious to see where they take the game as they seem to be doing an effort to change the game to not lose as many players as they seem to have lost previous to the Miyabi update. Seems like they gonna start charging money for skins that are already in the game (Ellen Joe School skin), cant wait to see if they have any plans to fight the modders that are using all kinds of skins for free.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Managed to find the prophecy song on apple music; kinda annoying there's no english OST yet
Searching for it I also found that banger track that plays during Rina's story, where she's probably playing the guitar herself.
Searching for it I also found that banger track that plays during Rina's story, where she's probably playing the guitar herself.
Pejo
Gold Member
This song reminds me of something you'd hear on a Ys soundtrack, digging it.
Also agree about TV. At first I hated it when the game released, then later I saw the opportunities it affords, then I was disappointed when they abandoned it (and retroactively removed it in some cases). It was a very versatile platform for various minigames and game modes. Maybe they should have made it more aesthetically appealing instead of just boxes with icons/faces in it. Not sure how they could have salvaged it for the masses.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, I've seen in the mail.Bruh, 30k dennies!? Give me at least 100 polys if you want me to take your survey.
Like, are you kiddin' me MHY? I've 7 million dannies already, I don't need these pathetic 30K. Plus and truth being told, I mostly satisfied with 1.4 so no reason to complete the survey this time around. Will see how 1.5 will turn out to be.
I honestly don't know why would you ever pay for skins and especially those, which were already in the game day 0 - as you mentioned, Ellen's school uniform. But I'm pretty sure that giant whales will be happy. I honestly could not care less, but if they'll start to release characters with terrible skins to then sell you way better one... that's when I'll have a problem and will take the survey like never before.
And yeah, I wonder how they'll be dealing with modders, cuz sure as shit all of those skins will be available via mods at some point one way or another.
Pejo
Gold Member
I know it's my own fault for putting it off until the end of the patch, but the white hollow event for Miyabi is such a chore to grind these missions. At least there's no timers involved, but they inflated the enemy HP so much. Doesn't even make it harder, just makes it take so much longer. I really hate it visually, just black and white with the occasional "green beam" 4 IQ puzzle to waste your time.
I liked the story mode part of it, but these follow-up quests where you just do the same things in different small areas of the same hollows is the worst kind of grind. I'll probably finish up getting the polys and call it a day. No way am I gonna grind 15 more of these quests for some Dennies and xp stuff.
Haven't started the Harumasa stuff yet, is it one-and-done like Lighter's event?
I liked the story mode part of it, but these follow-up quests where you just do the same things in different small areas of the same hollows is the worst kind of grind. I'll probably finish up getting the polys and call it a day. No way am I gonna grind 15 more of these quests for some Dennies and xp stuff.
Haven't started the Harumasa stuff yet, is it one-and-done like Lighter's event?
Doom85
Member
You have the main event story for Harumasa, then some side challenges.
Definitely do Harumasa’s story, it’s a legit compelling story IMHO. I’ve seen a lot of people appreciate his character far more after playing it.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
The event is not bad, not ideal, but good start for something much better in the future imho. The problem is that and like you said, it'll take you way longer to fight enemies but only if you'll be using trial characters cuz believe me, I cleared stuff like 2-3 times faster with lvl 60 Miyabi, Yanagi and Soukaku. Puzzles could be better, but then again they were never hard to begin with in ZZZ.
It's one of the worst character stories in the game. A shit load of talking with random NPC througut the whole thing, Harumasa is really bad and the story is meh at best. But who knows, maybe you'll like it more than I did.
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Icymanipulator
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I did like 1 or 2 missions everyday over the last week and yes I hated this. Worst mission in zzz yet. There’s still a few things I’m missing after getting the weapon but I don’t care. Not playing that anymore.
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Reizo Ryuu
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Harumasa's story is good, he's a great character.
This is perfect, let the surveys for real feedback.Bruh, 30k dennies!? Give me at least 100 polys if you want me to take your survey.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
That's cool by me.
Pejo
Gold Member
Guides I saw said 4pc Astra + 2pc Swing Jazz as you mentioned. Signature sets are almost always the best in these scenarios.
New web event. It's kinda tedious, but total of 100 Polys.
"Should I Be the Stars of Lyra" web event is now live! Participate in the event to receive Polychrome ×125 as a reward! Come and showcase your vision of Astra! https://hoyo.link/TFy2y1C4Z
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Energy regen is a must for support characters so 4x Astral Voice + 2x Swing Jazz. 6th Disc - Energy Regen, 5th Disc - Ether DMG bonus and 4th disc - Anomaly Proficiency. You'll get attack bonus via quick assists so it means that you need to swap characters to maintain this buff which lasts 15s, in total you can get 24% attack bonus. As for W-Engines, The Vault is the best F2P options with Energy Regen and Ether buffs so I'd use it instead of Lucy's W-Engine.
Pejo
Gold Member
Wow, so I just marathoned most of the stuff in the game that I had been putting off. All of the blue sidequests, all of the event stuff, etc etc. The only things I have left to do are the hard mode story stages and a few of the Agent side stories (Grace/Lycaon/Qingyi/Burnice).
That said, I was cleaning up those last missions in the Miyabi event, and ran into this. What are the "investigation commissions?
I'm guessing I fucked myself by waiting too long to do the event, and they're those one-and-done missions you can do once a week, but I'd be happy to be wrong.
Anyways, Harumasa's story was actually really good. That's the kind of thing I'd rather see in agent stories instead of helping random NPCs (I know we helped some NPCs too, but it was mostly about Harumasa). It did a good job of fleshing out his past, his condition, and gave a satisfying resolution to that part. Miyabi could have used something like that to touch on her past and her mother without being required to watch promo videos on YouTube outside of the game to have any idea of what's going on. Hope they do more storytelling like that in the future.
As I was clearing comissions, the most painful stages for me were probably the comissions with Rain. I didn't find any of them unique or fun, and the HP inflation of enemies was awful. Didn't help that most of them were resistant to Ice. I enjoyed the few missions where we had to prioritize dodging the lightning/luring enemies into the lightning as a gameplay mechanic. I wouldn't want it in every stage, but it was a nice paradigm shift to focus on other parts of combat other than just mashing attack.
Speaking of Ice (Miyabi), I really wonder what HoYo's going to do about game balance now that she's in the game. Do you balance content around her and assume most players have her, or do you keep the power level roughly the same as before so 90% of your cast isn't irrelevant? She is so strong and trivializes so much content, I'm not sure how you balance anything after that. As I was cleaning up the commissions, a lot of the time, 2-3 of her charge moves and her dashes was all it took to beat a stage. My 2nd best team with Yanagi as the main DPS can easily clear them too, but for much more effort and slower times. Then you try to play Zhu Yuan or Ellen in any of that content and the power level/kill times feels fucking awful. I can completely solo stages without using any mechanics like stunning, assists, defensive assists, buffs, shields, etc just by getting good at dodge counters and constantly mashing attack/special as Miyabi. It really feels like a different game than I was playing a month ago.
They certainly made a decision by having a Void Hunter enter the game so early. I get that that it was kind of an "in case of emergency" button maneuver considering they really had to make sure this patch hit big, but what comes next? Astra looks boring to play, but hopefully her buffs are strong, but I think Evelyn will be the real test of how the future of the game will feel. Attackers were mostly all dumped in the gutter since the string of really strong Anomaly characters, and I don't know what mechanics they can think up to narrow that gap. Guess we'll see how it goes. Something tells me ZZZ is going to be one of those really fast powercreep games.
That said, I was cleaning up those last missions in the Miyabi event, and ran into this. What are the "investigation commissions?
I'm guessing I fucked myself by waiting too long to do the event, and they're those one-and-done missions you can do once a week, but I'd be happy to be wrong.
Anyways, Harumasa's story was actually really good. That's the kind of thing I'd rather see in agent stories instead of helping random NPCs (I know we helped some NPCs too, but it was mostly about Harumasa). It did a good job of fleshing out his past, his condition, and gave a satisfying resolution to that part. Miyabi could have used something like that to touch on her past and her mother without being required to watch promo videos on YouTube outside of the game to have any idea of what's going on. Hope they do more storytelling like that in the future.
As I was clearing comissions, the most painful stages for me were probably the comissions with Rain. I didn't find any of them unique or fun, and the HP inflation of enemies was awful. Didn't help that most of them were resistant to Ice. I enjoyed the few missions where we had to prioritize dodging the lightning/luring enemies into the lightning as a gameplay mechanic. I wouldn't want it in every stage, but it was a nice paradigm shift to focus on other parts of combat other than just mashing attack.
Speaking of Ice (Miyabi), I really wonder what HoYo's going to do about game balance now that she's in the game. Do you balance content around her and assume most players have her, or do you keep the power level roughly the same as before so 90% of your cast isn't irrelevant? She is so strong and trivializes so much content, I'm not sure how you balance anything after that. As I was cleaning up the commissions, a lot of the time, 2-3 of her charge moves and her dashes was all it took to beat a stage. My 2nd best team with Yanagi as the main DPS can easily clear them too, but for much more effort and slower times. Then you try to play Zhu Yuan or Ellen in any of that content and the power level/kill times feels fucking awful. I can completely solo stages without using any mechanics like stunning, assists, defensive assists, buffs, shields, etc just by getting good at dodge counters and constantly mashing attack/special as Miyabi. It really feels like a different game than I was playing a month ago.
They certainly made a decision by having a Void Hunter enter the game so early. I get that that it was kind of an "in case of emergency" button maneuver considering they really had to make sure this patch hit big, but what comes next? Astra looks boring to play, but hopefully her buffs are strong, but I think Evelyn will be the real test of how the future of the game will feel. Attackers were mostly all dumped in the gutter since the string of really strong Anomaly characters, and I don't know what mechanics they can think up to narrow that gap. Guess we'll see how it goes. Something tells me ZZZ is going to be one of those really fast powercreep games.
The Chairman
Member
She looks so good 
Icymanipulator
Member
I don’t know what those investigations are either , they never came up for me. I just gave up.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Go here, kill enemies. Nothing interesting really.
Yeah, if free roam is not available and you can't do anything right now (I haven't checked countdown timer for all of this to unlock again - stupid af design decision), you pretty much lost limited time rewards, but you can do everything later as this event will not go away, you just don't get limited time awards. You can finish those exploration missions as well as free roam to get all the chests and lore pieces
Well, that's your answer right there. It'll take much longer for Miyabi and Yanagi to be at that level of bad, but it'll happen. This is the main reason why I won't be pulling for old character during reruns cuz 1) I already have them 2) Mindscapes or W-Engines won't make them as strong as Miyabi or Yanagi anyway, so why bother and waste tapes to get weaker characters (combat wise) if you can have Evelyn and her W-Engine instead for example? That said though, the new Lost Void content can fix old characters and make them relevant again, but they need to upgrade every single one of them for this to happen and make people pull for them during reruns, but so far it's only Miyabi, Yanagi, Billy and Ellen.
Beyond 1.5 and characters wise, nothing even near as good on the horizon based on the leaks. Which is why I think the whole 1.6 for me will be a huge skip in terms of pulls - at the end of next weak they should announce new characters so we'll see.
Evelyn is the next Jane (which is still incredibly strong).
I'll say this, after playing WuWa for the past few weeks, I can definitely say that I like team composition and how support characters work there far more than in ZZZ, cuz not only you have way more elements there to deal with, but there's also a few types of support characters - healers and DMG dealers / buffers which can significantly power up the main DMG dealer and on top of that there's sub damage dealer which can do her / his own thing and if you'll add all this together it can literally melt enemies and bosses, not to mention that various skills, specials and other things you can activate much faster and have buffs from this as well. AND you can deal 2 types of damage instead of just one per character like in ZZZ via various echoes, so you can have 6 types of DMG in combat and characters can still deal DMG via echoes if say some enemies are immune to their main DMG type.
I mean, yeah, ZZZ have some of this as well, but WuWa is much better at this imho and ZZZ don't have healers at all to deal with those BS and stupid af inflated HP and DMG enemies have for example. ZZZ still has long ways to go before it'll be feature complete in terms of combat and if they're smart, they can turn Lost Void into one of the best content in the game and make you want to play it using all of the character instead of making only the new ones the only viable options to clear the endgame, no to menition their expanded combat kits old characters simply don't have.
P.S. HARUMASAGIFTALL - 10k dennies + 10 investigator logs.
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Reizo Ryuu
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She'll get power crept eventually like every herrscher was, however the three strongest all have something specific going for them that makes them so strong, basically something "on top" to elevate their damage.
For Jane it's assault and how she creates the "gnaw" state that allows assault to crit, this is a massive damage increase and only she can do it; she's still the best at just melting mobs.
For yanagi it's obviously the fact that she can trigger disorders herself, this is a ridiculous damage increase for her solo, but also for single element teams.
For miyabi it's several things, voidhunter perks I suppose; before miyabi seth and soukaku had the highest ultimate damage multiplier, they gave that honour to miyabi, combine that with her high crit and high attack and her ultimate does quite a bit more damage than others.
Then they essentially gave her a second ultimate, so now she has two giant bursts of damage, then thirdly they gave her a unique element attribute, frostburn, which doesn't interact with ice buildup, so the damage always exclusively comes from her, but on top of that she also does ice buildup, so you get frostburn and shatter, which gives her near assault level damage as long as she doesn't share the shatter damage with like soukaku or something.
But even with those three things yanagi isn't far behind because disorder is just silly, the real thing that elevates miyabi is that she pairs perfectly with yanagi, because disorders charge her second ultimate, and lighter who dumps tons of daze and boosts her ice damage greatly. Jane and Yanagi don't really have such great support for themselves (yet), good hybrid supports like lighter can make a big difference for any of the characters.
Though what I'm getting at is that they can give characters something "on top" to elevate their damage, heck even billy has such a mechanic, where he can increase his ultimate damage x2, which is essentially what miyabi got with her two ultimates; they made harumasa a true burst damager by giving him a massive damage increase on stun/anomaly, so I can see them doing more things like those for future characters, heck we'll probably get some more team ups like koleda/ben as soon as we get some more free characters, but I don't think they'll scale content to be at the top level until...maybe never, meaning you're never going to need that level of damage for any commission/story/event; only the very end of endgames like shiyu 7, deadly assault, tower 25+, and whatever else they come up with for the dps nerds, is likely to keep up with the ongoing meta.
The Chairman
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