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Bo_Hazem
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LED Guy?
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PlayStation is more important to AMD than Xbox is, that's a fact, PS4 just sold 110 million consoles and Xbox can't even get to 50 million consoles sold.
xiaoming10086
Member
Yes it will not be the same.
But will sony falls behind in every aspect like low TFs, low CPU frequencys, low memory bandwidth and low SSD speeds?
If it is, I can clearly see that PS5 been cheaper for 100+USD.
And if not, the difference will still be in 5 FPS right? We are entering a generation that aims at 4K 60FPS, so the difference will be there, but small.
(ALL above is only in my personal opinion)
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Yes, PlayStation is more important to amd than Xbox.
But is Sony more important than Microsoft? That’s not a question you can answer.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
xiaoming10086
Member
By "soon" he meant BEFORE HOLIDAY 2020.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
I disagree because look at the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X. Even though we don't have actual sales figures on these two SKU's stores have said that the PS4 and Xbox One S still sell better than the higher priced counterparts. So that alone would actually mean that people might buy the lower SKU. Just like more people buy the iPhone 11 instead of iPhone 11 Pro.
Gamernyc78
Banned
“soon” again
Soony continues but now affects multiple companies
Thy can keep tht lockhart bs though..
I think that main takeaway from this post and Shinobi's stuff on Era is: Lockhart is real and it will be probably out in same time as Series X“soon” again
chigstoke
Member
You can then argue though that Microsoft is more important to AMD than Sony is.
True Playstation is by far and away the winner last gen, and on a console level is extremely important.
But Microsoft have business ventures that AMD want/need to get their proverbial fingers in the pie.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects
Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
And also just to add that even if AMD were short sighted and JUST looked at PS4 vs Xbox One hardware sales, no business in their right minds would give the finger to 50 million units. Yes they didn’t sell as much, but it’s still a business, and fanboy bollocks have no place in business decisions.
It’s nothing to do with the “war chest” that’s not even what he’s getting at.
The simple truth is that as a client, Microsoft would be theoretically worth MORE to AMD than Sony based on the whole picture, but that’s not how you run a business.
Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects
Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
It’s nothing to do with the “war chest” that’s not even what he’s getting at.
The simple truth is that as a client, Microsoft would be theoretically worth MORE to AMD than Sony based on the whole picture, but that’s not how you run a business.
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For their semi-custom business? Sony. What was difficult about answering that question?
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Deleted member 775630
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You think that other Microsoft ventures also buying from AMD doesn't have an influence on things?Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects
Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
So true but I don't know man. A lot of players these days are grown ass men and women who are purchasing anywhere from the best Samsung/LG or budget best TCL's that are full 4khdr. Little Timmy is mostly playing on Tablet. Not saying I'm 100% right but I thought more players are older lately.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Your in the business meetings? And Sony themselves aren't a one trick pony which I'm sure partners with AMD for other things besides consoles.
It's frivolous to assume that Microsoft has more pull with AMD in gaming when thy are the hardware selling leaders.
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TherapistGaymer
Banned
We all need help....or self bans haha j/k those are pretty weak in my opinion lol.Dragging ass today. Soony needs to show some shit. This weird reflex to check every 30 minutes it’s wearing on me!
Agnostic2020
Member
actually Matt from resetera few months back said with inclusion of surface and clouds blades MS is still smaller client than sony for AMD.
nikolino840
Member
Microsoft have the PC market too , amd sell gpu and cpu outside the console market ,gears 5 Is optimized for AMD hardwareSony sells over 100m AMD chips.
MS sells around 50m AMD chips.
AMD like to burn money because MS is more important to them
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sony sells over 100m AMD chips.
MS sells around 50m AMD chips.
AMD like to burn money because MS is more important to them
Xbox and Pa4 are the console. They sold 50m and 100m, and in this case, Sony made AMD more money. That’s easy.
But AMD don’t look at Xbox, they look at the client they deal with, in this case, Sony and Microsoft. And Microsoft have more dealings with AMD when you factor in all their areas, than Sony do.
It’s about the bigger picture. There is more to this than consoles alone.
But even THEN, when you factor in that, AMD wouldn’t be stupid and ignore the other client or give them a shit deal simply because they sell less overall.
That’s a terrible way to run a business.
chigstoke
Member
What are you whittering on about?Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects
Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
I'm merely making the point that MS is an important partner to AMD. Console space, Ryzen Surface, Azure Cloud contract with EPYC CPU's. Not once did I mention a 'Microsoft empire' or about an 'unlimited money chest'. MS as a company is a bigger partner for AMD. Playstation as a console division is a bigger partner than Xbox. But I'm not making out like MS are some Godlike company ffs.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I some how doubt that. But even if X sold more to AMD than Y, it doesn’t mean Y would suddenly be this shit tier business that isn’t worth AMDs time.
However reading the last few posts it’s quite clear all of a sudden a certain narrative has appeared, and I don’t have the energy to give a shit. I’ll pop back later.
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AMD Financial Analyst Day 2020
Edit: We can even ask some questions, but with crazy ppl here I know nearly none will be featured there let alone answered lol
Mod of War can we have a thread mark or something for ppl who want to watch this thing? It can be easily found.
We can have a new thread made and marked Live for when it starts.
Agnostic2020
Member
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Dragging ass today. Soony needs to show some shit. This weird reflex to check every 30 minutes it’s wearing on me!
More like this
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap still smaller than Sony for them.
You can say compared to Sony, Microsoft is a small consumer to AMD.
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Agnostic2020
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no one said AMD should not give a shit about MS?? that's in your head. people are correcting a mistake in saying MS is bigger client when we know they sell 6.5 million xbox a year, 3 million surface a year which only one model has AMD , and less than a million for their cloud blades .they are still big client but to say AMD should prioritize them over sony cause windows, doesnt make much sense imo
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah that is not how it works. But it doesn't matter much, it's a dumb discussion. If you believe this wouldn't have any influence on it, then sure, that's just your business perspective on it.
nikolino840
Member
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They are both MASSIVE customers for AMD you guys are being silly having a measuring contest over it.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I wasn’t on about you mate, but regardless, as I said, if I sell 10 apples to Sue and only 5 apples to John, who is the smart one? The one who sells 15 apples, or the one who pisses off the 5 apples bloke and only ends up selling 10? It’s basic business.
Anyway, I’ll pop back later, I have stuff to get on with anyway, and to be fair I just don’t enjoy this thread when it turns into X versus Y.
ethomaz
Banned
Because just consoles for Sony buys more chips from AMD (millions more per year) than MS buys with console, surface and servers.Becouse consoles wins(i love the console
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BTW that comparison has no sense at all.
AMD have both companies as high important to their business.
They can’t lose any of them.
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Neo Blaster
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There a big difference between Xbox One BC and the supposed PS5 BC: Xbox One architecture (X86) was different than Xbox 360's (Power PC), so emulation was mandatory. I think PS5 BC will be more like PS4 Pro compatibility with PS4 base, since they share the same architecture, hence a better chance to embrace the entire catalog.
IkarugaDE
Member
Which deals? So, honest question.
As far as I remember, the Microsoft hardware products (Surface, etc.) largely consist of Intel and nVdia or Microsoft in-house solutions. The Surface Laptop 3 is the only one that is available in an AMD Option (with 15'). I don't know if Microsoft is cooperating with AMD so extremely outside of the XBOX (at least more than with Intel / nVidia).But I have to agree with you. It would be extremely stupid for AMD to sign an exclusive contract with Sony or MS. That wouldn't make sense.
By the way: For me this is also proof of RDNA2 of the PS5. Had AMD really signed an exclusive contract with MS, Sony would certainly not have been satisfied with (custom) RDNA1 (as long as they didn't want it anyway). It's not like there are no AMD competitors.
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gaming_noob
Member
In pure volume, sure. We don’t know the profit margin for AMD. Too many variables we don’t know.
DonJorginho
Banned
Is Sony dead? Like I am concerned, where the fuck are they.
Can't believe I got hyped over Kojima taking a picture of a fucking calendar for nothing.
Can't believe I got hyped over Kojima taking a picture of a fucking calendar for nothing.
EnergyStar
Neo Member
But guys, it's not just about AMD. More suppliers are involved. Do you remeber when Phil Harrison claimed that PS3 was delayed because of some cheap laser diode. You can find that claim on the internet and you can believe it or not. Personally I don't believe it much but thats not my point. My point is PS5 can still be delayed if there is some shortage on any part which PS5 needs to have. The same goes for Xbox.
FeiRR
Banned
Damn, I forgot it's called a heatsink in English. Yes, we call them radiators. Hence heating jokes about PCs.Salute to Poland!
Now I should find a way to correct your Arabic. This will be hard
Kazekage1981
Member
about 13.8 TF hint joke fromBGs , what if he means in GCN and few months back he said AMD figure of 25% should be close to 20%. for conversion of GCN to RDNA
So 13.8/1.2 = 11.5 RDNA TF .
What do you say BGS?
I agree.
chemical boy
Member
Sony's behavior is strange, that's obvious, there's something weird behind it all.
If one is not already made, someone can create a nice one and I was sticky and lock it until the event starts.
Moridianae
Member
Not sure who this person is, nor do I have much idea of their credibility. Apologies if this is wrong to post, but I found it interesting all the same. Anybody can claim to have a "buddy at Sony".
Lends a bit more credence to the theory that Sony *was* ready, but things got thrown in arrears due to Covid-19 ravaging China and Japan(though not as severely, of course) as well as now numerous countries in the world.
I don't buy just yet it's affected the launch date, but the reveal? Sure I'll buy that for a dollar.
Lends a bit more credence to the theory that Sony *was* ready, but things got thrown in arrears due to Covid-19 ravaging China and Japan(though not as severely, of course) as well as now numerous countries in the world.
I don't buy just yet it's affected the launch date, but the reveal? Sure I'll buy that for a dollar.
Neo Blaster
Member
Calm down, wait till AMD's presentation wrap-up before saying that.
Mendou
Banned
Here is the different on 1TF.
Well technically, it has difference.
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Devs would mitigate the differences by applying variable rate shading. The resolution would automatically go down more often on the weaker console to keep a steady ~60fps. That's it.
With VRS, expect devs to make the same game for both consoles but with different VRS settings. That means we shouldn't expect to see more grass or draw distance on one console versus another.
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