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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Bo_Hazem

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I need to open my PS4 soon before hot days come, clean it, change the paste, maybe polish the radiator

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Yeah, besides GPU, other components are literally the same. Between XSX and PS5 won't be
Yes it will not be the same.
But will sony falls behind in every aspect like low TFs, low CPU frequencys, low memory bandwidth and low SSD speeds?
If it is, I can clearly see that PS5 been cheaper for 100+USD.
And if not, the difference will still be in 5 FPS right? We are entering a generation that aims at 4K 60FPS, so the difference will be there, but small.
(ALL above is only in my personal opinion)
 
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No.

The only joke is the 13.8 number.

It's very simple.

I one day put an EXAMPLE.

That example some users made a funny joke or misrepresentation.

I joined that joke with some users.

Based on that joke, using a real Gif (which I did to expose a real thought) I asked if they wanted to play a game, the game of guessing a nunver that was in that gif.

The game is not a joke, it is a game, wich some have wanted to play, and aspired to a real prize, a bullshit prize, but real. 13.8 is the answer, but it means nothing, just as it didn't mean anything the first time I wrote it.
Well it was fun, now can we still stick with the PS5 specs ranging in the average puberty years? Yes or no question. In all seriousness without getting you in trouble?
 
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Deleted member 775630

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It's just my opinion, but...

I just can't see many poeple going for a lower SKU, it seems a pointless thing to me? Apart from over the holidays when unwitting parents buy their kids the wrong one, with tears on Christmas Day.
I disagree because look at the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X. Even though we don't have actual sales figures on these two SKU's stores have said that the PS4 and Xbox One S still sell better than the higher priced counterparts. So that alone would actually mean that people might buy the lower SKU. Just like more people buy the iPhone 11 instead of iPhone 11 Pro.
 

chigstoke

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PlayStation is more important to AMD than Xbox is, that's a fact, PS4 just sold 110 million consoles and Xbox can't even get to 50 million consoles sold.
You can then argue though that Microsoft is more important to AMD than Sony is.

True Playstation is by far and away the winner last gen, and on a console level is extremely important.
But Microsoft have business ventures that AMD want/need to get their proverbial fingers in the pie.
 

Gamernyc78

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You can then argue though that Microsoft is more important to AMD than Sony is.

True Playstation is by far and away the winner last gen, and on a console level is extremely important.
But Microsoft have business ventures that AMD want/need to get their proverbial fingers in the pie.

Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects 🤦‍♂️

Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
 
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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
And also just to add that even if AMD were short sighted and JUST looked at PS4 vs Xbox One hardware sales, no business in their right minds would give the finger to 50 million units. Yes they didn’t sell as much, but it’s still a business, and fanboy bollocks have no place in business decisions.

Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects 🤦‍♂️

Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.

It’s nothing to do with the “war chest” that’s not even what he’s getting at.

The simple truth is that as a client, Microsoft would be theoretically worth MORE to AMD than Sony based on the whole picture, but that’s not how you run a business.
 
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Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects 🤦‍♂️

Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
You think that other Microsoft ventures also buying from AMD doesn't have an influence on things?
 
You’re kidding?

Ok, look, I don’t agree with lockhart and I’ve never changed my stance on that. BUT...

Christmas time, birthday, whatever. Little Timmy wants an Xbox to play on his 32” super market bargain tv that barely does 1080p in his bedroom.

Do you buy him:

A) the console that plays all Xbox games, has ray tracing, high spec cpu, full memory, runs in 4k as standard, but is $499.99 - $599.99

B) the console that plays all Xbox games, has ray tracing, the same cpu, slightly lower memory as it’s not required, but does everything the other does in the same quality EXCEPT ITS IN 1080p Price: $299.99

Which is the better purchase for this parent in this situation? Hell even a cheaper than SX 9tf PS5 couldn’t compete there.

Remember, most people don’t even have a 4k set in their living room, never mind anything else.

As a parent, it’s clear as day which one they would get, to me anyway. And I don’t like lockhart lol
So true but I don't know man. A lot of players these days are grown ass men and women who are purchasing anywhere from the best Samsung/LG or budget best TCL's that are full 4khdr. Little Timmy is mostly playing on Tablet. Not saying I'm 100% right but I thought more players are older lately.
 

Gamernyc78

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You think that other Microsoft ventures also buying from AMD doesn't have an influence on things?

Your in the business meetings? And Sony themselves aren't a one trick pony which I'm sure partners with AMD for other things besides consoles.

It's frivolous to assume that Microsoft has more pull with AMD in gaming when thy are the hardware selling leaders.
 
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South

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If these machines are basically idenntical - will it be theoretically possible to get ps5 games to play on xbx and vice versa after some hacking? (depending on the game) and in future should it be trivial for emulation if most parts are standard PC componets.
 
And also just to add that even if AMD were short sighted and JUST looked at PS4 vs Xbox One hardware sales, no business in their right minds would give the finger to 50 million units. Yes they didn’t sell as much, but it’s still a business, and fanboy bollocks have no place in business decisions.



It’s nothing to do with the “war chest” that’s not even what he’s getting at.

The simple truth is that as a client, Microsoft would be theoretically worth MORE to AMD than Sony based on the whole picture, but that’s not how you run a business.
actually Matt from resetera few months back said with inclusion of surface and clouds blades MS is still smaller client than sony for AMD.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Sony sells over 100m AMD chips.
MS sells around 50m AMD chips.

AMD like to burn money because MS is more important to them :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Xbox and Pa4 are the console. They sold 50m and 100m, and in this case, Sony made AMD more money. That’s easy.

But AMD don’t look at Xbox, they look at the client they deal with, in this case, Sony and Microsoft. And Microsoft have more dealings with AMD when you factor in all their areas, than Sony do.

It’s about the bigger picture. There is more to this than consoles alone.

But even THEN, when you factor in that, AMD wouldn’t be stupid and ignore the other client or give them a shit deal simply because they sell less overall.

That’s a terrible way to run a business.
 

chigstoke

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Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects 🤦‍♂️

Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.
What are you whittering on about?

I'm merely making the point that MS is an important partner to AMD. Console space, Ryzen Surface, Azure Cloud contract with EPYC CPU's. Not once did I mention a 'Microsoft empire' or about an 'unlimited money chest'. MS as a company is a bigger partner for AMD. Playstation as a console division is a bigger partner than Xbox. But I'm not making out like MS are some Godlike company ffs.
 
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Gavin Stevens

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actually Matt from resetera few months back said with inclusion of surface and clouds blades MS is still smaller client than sony for AMD.

I some how doubt that. But even if X sold more to AMD than Y, it doesn’t mean Y would suddenly be this shit tier business that isn’t worth AMDs time.

However reading the last few posts it’s quite clear all of a sudden a certain narrative has appeared, and I don’t have the energy to give a shit. I’ll pop back later.
 
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I some how doubt that. But even if X sold more to AMD than Y, it doesn’t mean Y would suddenly be this shit tier business that isn’t worth AMDs time.

However reading the last few posts it’s quite clear all of a sudden a certain narrative has appeared, and I don’t have the energy to give a shit. I’ll pop back later.
no one said AMD should not give a shit about MS?? that's in your head. people are correcting a mistake in saying MS is bigger client when we know they sell 6.5 million xbox a year, 3 million surface a year which only one model has AMD , and less than a million for their cloud blades .they are still big client but to say AMD should prioritize them over sony cause windows, doesnt make much sense imo
 
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Your in the business meetings? And Sony themselves aren't a one trick pony which I'm sure partners with AMD for other things besides consoles.

It's frivolous to assume that Microsoft has more pull with AMD in gaming when thy are the hardware selling leaders.
Yeah that is not how it works. But it doesn't matter much, it's a dumb discussion. If you believe this wouldn't have any influence on it, then sure, that's just your business perspective on it.
 

Gavin Stevens

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no one said AMD should not give a shit about MS?? that's in your head. people are correcting a mistake in saying MS is bigger client when we know they sell 6.5 million xbox a year, 3 million surface a year, and less than a million for their cloud blades .they are still big client but to say AMD should prioritize them over sony cause windows, doesnt make much sense imo

I wasn’t on about you mate, but regardless, as I said, if I sell 10 apples to Sue and only 5 apples to John, who is the smart one? The one who sells 15 apples, or the one who pisses off the 5 apples bloke and only ends up selling 10? It’s basic business.

Anyway, I’ll pop back later, I have stuff to get on with anyway, and to be fair I just don’t enjoy this thread when it turns into X versus Y.
 

Neo Blaster

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I would be shocked if that happened. At most, everyone here should expect backwards compatibility for the PS4. Software emulation isn't easy to do considering Microsoft has been doing it for over a decade and many games are still not supported.

Set you expectations low. The Xbox One can't play all Xbox 360 games, and I doubt the PS5 will support all PS4 games. As such, don't sell your Xbone/PS4 expecting all the games you bought to be playable on the PS5. Any and all rumours claiming that the PS5 can play all PS1, 2, and 4 games should be discarded.
There a big difference between Xbox One BC and the supposed PS5 BC: Xbox One architecture (X86) was different than Xbox 360's (Power PC), so emulation was mandatory. I think PS5 BC will be more like PS4 Pro compatibility with PS4 base, since they share the same architecture, hence a better chance to embrace the entire catalog.
 

IkarugaDE

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But AMD don’t look at Xbox, they look at the client they deal with, in this case, Sony and Microsoft. And Microsoft have more dealings with AMD when you factor in all their areas, than Sony do.
Which deals? So, honest question. :D As far as I remember, the Microsoft hardware products (Surface, etc.) largely consist of Intel and nVdia or Microsoft in-house solutions. The Surface Laptop 3 is the only one that is available in an AMD Option (with 15'). I don't know if Microsoft is cooperating with AMD so extremely outside of the XBOX (at least more than with Intel / nVidia).
But I have to agree with you. It would be extremely stupid for AMD to sign an exclusive contract with Sony or MS. That wouldn't make sense.

By the way: For me this is also proof of RDNA2 of the PS5. Had AMD really signed an exclusive contract with MS, Sony would certainly not have been satisfied with (custom) RDNA1 (as long as they didn't want it anyway). It's not like there are no AMD competitors.
 
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DonJorginho

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Is Sony dead? Like I am concerned, where the fuck are they.

Can't believe I got hyped over Kojima taking a picture of a fucking calendar for nothing.
 

EnergyStar

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But guys, it's not just about AMD. More suppliers are involved. Do you remeber when Phil Harrison claimed that PS3 was delayed because of some cheap laser diode. You can find that claim on the internet and you can believe it or not. Personally I don't believe it much but thats not my point. My point is PS5 can still be delayed if there is some shortage on any part which PS5 needs to have. The same goes for Xbox.
 
I believe something "unplanned" has happened at playstation, likely Corona related.
Sony doing 2 wired articles , then nothing since Oct 2019 apart from a logo. considering that Xbox has been rather loud this is strange behaviour, people just need to accept this.

Sony's behavior is strange, that's obvious, there's something weird behind it all.
 
Not sure who this person is, nor do I have much idea of their credibility. Apologies if this is wrong to post, but I found it interesting all the same. Anybody can claim to have a "buddy at Sony".

Lends a bit more credence to the theory that Sony *was* ready, but things got thrown in arrears due to Covid-19 ravaging China and Japan(though not as severely, of course) as well as now numerous countries in the world.

I don't buy just yet it's affected the launch date, but the reveal? Sure I'll buy that for a dollar.


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Mendou

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Here is the different on 1TF.

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Well technically, it has difference.

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Devs would mitigate the differences by applying variable rate shading. The resolution would automatically go down more often on the weaker console to keep a steady ~60fps. That's it.

With VRS, expect devs to make the same game for both consoles but with different VRS settings. That means we shouldn't expect to see more grass or draw distance on one console versus another.
 
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