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AMD says FSR 2.0 will run on Xbox and these Nvidia graphics cards

AMD’s new answer to DLSS might be “demanding,” though.

www.theverge.com

Last week, AMD promised a new technology that should let you blow up your games to higher resolutions or increase their framerates without requiring the fancy machine learning hardware of Nvidia’s GPUs like Nvidia’s lauded DLSS. Now at GDC 2022, it’s revealing how the new FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 actually works — and that it’s coming to Microsoft’s Xbox game consoles too.

While AMD says it can’t actually say when Xbox game developers might take advantage of FSR 2.0, it says it “will also be fully supported on Xbox and will be available in the Xbox GDK for registered developers to use in their games.”

Unlike FSR 1.0, this requires some work on the part of the game developer, so it’s not something you’re going to see every game developer take advantage of — but AMD confirms that both Deathloop and Forspoken (a tech showcase that’s also going to use Microsoft’s DirectStorage) will take advantage of it.

 

[Tripolygon]

As expected but good to see confirmation. As with FSR 1, this should also run on PS5 as well.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Hell Yea - thats what i'm talking about!

 

[Ozriel]

Good news for the Series S.

 

[adamsapple]

I'm guessing the Deathloop port on Xbox should be one of the first console games to make use of this.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Let’s see how it stack up to DLSS which also sucked at 1.0

 

[Riky]

I'm guessing the Deathloop port on Xbox should be one of the first console games to make use of this.

You would hope so, get some increases in performance especially on the Ray Tracing mode.
Hopefully this will be another feature that helps the Series S, looking forward to seeing it there.

 

[Pagusas]

I'll be very curious to see how the performance on Nvidia cards is compared to DLSS. Like for like comparison, given that DLSS runs on dedicated hardware not used by the game, I wonder how much the performance overhead for FSR2.0 is given its taking rendering resources.

I'd expect DLSS would have a small performance advantage, but I wonder if we're talking less than 1% or 5 - 10%

Like if we saw games like this:
DLSS Performance: 105fps
FSR2.0 Performance: 100fps

Then that would be a huge huge win for FSR

 

[DenchDeckard]

This is HUGE news, these consoles are in desperate need of this kind of tech. I hope it works well on them.

Was this at some Microsoft / AMD event or something? Why wouldn't AMD just mention both Xbox and PS5 the tech supports loads of GPUs so surely they could just mention the current consoles?

 

[Corndog]

Wouldn’t this work on PS5?

 

[adamsapple]

Wouldn’t this work on PS5?

You would think so, it's weird that AMD went out of their way to name drop Xbox but not PS5, they're both running on AMD hardware.

Unless this is a case of full RDNA 2

 

[Seph-]

You would think so, it's weird that AMD went out of their way to name drop Xbox but not PS5, they're both running on AMD hardware.

Unless this is a case of full RDNA 2

They did similar with FSR 1.0 so wouldn't put to much weight on it honestly considering that ended up available on everything. Just my 2 cents anyways.

 

[adamsapple]

They did similar with FSR 1.0 so wouldn't put to much weight on it honestly considering that ended up available on everything. Just my 2 cents anyways.

I think it's just because it's a part of the Xbox development kit and on PS5 it probably requires extra plugins or something. Could be that simple.

 

[DJ12]

You would think so, it's weird that AMD went out of their way to name drop Xbox but not PS5, they're both running on AMD hardware.

Unless this is a case of full RDNA 2

Isn't the verge some kind of ms mouth piece like Tom Warren.

Anyway as its listed as support by rdna 1 and rdna 2 cards, pretty sure the verge just asked about xbox

 

[Xyphie]

Wouldn’t this work on PS5?

It's written in HLSL, which is Microsoft's shader language. It could be ported to PSSL (Sony's own shader language) with ease though.

 

[Seph-]

I think it's just because it's a part of the Xbox development kit and on PS5 it probably requires extra plugins or something. Could be that simple.

Probably, either that or a marketing benefit that was agreed upon. Per the course it'll just make people panic and point fingers though. But it'll in the end be on both more than likely. Hopefully this time considering it's actually good this time it'll be actually used.

 

[ACESHIGH]

I just want Driver level FSR/DLSS on PC. I have losless scalling but prefer a better vendor agnostic driver level solution.

 

[elliot5]

Isn't the verge some kind of ms mouth piece like Tom Warren.

Anyway as its listed as support by rdna 1 and rdna 2 cards, pretty sure the verge just asked about xbox

AMD announced the xbox gdk support on their post. The Verge is just sharing it..

 

[DenchDeckard]

it states it working on an AMD 5700 so it would have to work on PS5 surely. Just a strange choice of words.

 

[omegasc]

You would think so, it's weird that AMD went out of their way to name drop Xbox but not PS5, they're both running on AMD hardware.

Unless this is a case of full RDNA 2

you doomed your own thread with that joke

 

[T-Cake]

What does it mean for my lowly 1070? Rendering at 540p and upscaling to 1080p or something? I don’t quite understand the table.

 

[mckmas8808]

Can anybody see the difference in any of those pics?

 

[akaFullmetal]

That's great to hear, I hope it really helps with performance. Series s would definitely get great help from it.

 

[Forsete]

My 5700XT squeals with excitement.

Now, add it to ALL games please.

 

[elliot5]

What does it mean for my lowly 1070? Rendering at 540p and upscaling to 1080p or something? I don’t quite understand the table.

That would be half scale axis and probably be rough looking. More like 1.5x-1.7x or so at like 720-950p upscaled in the higher quality modes.

 

[//DEVIL//]

What does it mean for my lowly 1070? Rendering at 540p and upscaling to 1080p or something? I don’t quite understand the table.

You still on 1070 ? Jesus lol.

Time to upgrade broda. A 3060 at least will do you wonders and they are everywhere now

 

[adamsapple]

Can anybody see the difference in any of those pics?

If you're not seeing a difference, that's a success. It's reconstructing from a lower resolution to match (or exceed in some cases in their words) native 4K.

FSR =/= Machine learning based AI upscaling.

Isn't the verge some kind of ms mouth piece like Tom Warren.

Anyway as its listed as support by rdna 1 and rdna 2 cards, pretty sure the verge just asked about xbox

They're literally reiterating what AMD said directly lol. No one asked about anything, AMD announced this themselves.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Console games should use proper scaling methods that benefit the hardware they're being run on. FSR is rough.

 

[TLZ]

Nintendo needs this more than anyone.

 

[TLZ]

Can anybody see the difference in any of those pics?

That's the whole point. You want FSR 2.0 to look identical to native. It means they can use lower resolution with higher performance and still look like native.

 

[Skifi28]

3060 at least will do you wonders and they are everywhere now

 

[//DEVIL//]

Compared to his 1070 ? Of course lol

Edit : just noticed what part you are quoting. I don’t know. We no longer have Gpu crises here in Canada / Ottawa aside from maybe the regular 3080 10 gigs

 

[Strider Highwind]

Can anybody see the difference in any of those pics?

Thats the point and what makes it a win, the technology can produce good quality results close to running a game natively. The fact that you aren't seeing a difference is what they're aiming for lol

 

[Skifi28]

We no longer have Gpu crises here in Canada

Any vacant houses in your area? I spontaneously decided to move country.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The images look pretty good and arre nigh indistinguishable. Exciting development.

 

[Hobbygaming]

This is HUGE news, these consoles are in desperate need of this kind of tech. I hope it works well on them.

Was this at some Microsoft / AMD event or something? Why wouldn't AMD just mention both Xbox and PS5 the tech supports loads of GPUs so surely they could just mention the current consoles?

Maybe a deal of some sorts

 

[mckmas8808]

If you're not seeing a difference, that's a success. It's reconstructing from a lower resolution to match (or exceed in some cases in their words) native 4K.

FSR =/= Machine learning based AI upscaling.

Did they say what resolutions the FSR images were running natively at? Like what was their base resolution?

That's the whole point. You want FSR 2.0 to look identical to native. It means they can use lower resolution with higher performance and still look like native.

But I can't even tell the difference between the different FSR 2.0 options lol.

 

[adamsapple]

Did they say what resolutions the FSR images were running natively at? Like what was their base resolution?

No the disclaimer just says Ultra settings.

I'm guessing 1440p ? cause 1440p to 2160p upscaling seems to be the one that gets talked about most often.

 

[TLZ]

Did they say what resolutions the FSR images were running natively at? Like what was their base resolution?

Not sure. I always assumed DLSS/FSR upscaled from half the native resolution.

 

[Forsete]

This looks really impressive.


You can compare native to the different FSR modes here.

FSR 2.0 - IMG 1 - Imgsli

imgsli.com

FSR 2.0 - IMG 2 - Imgsli

imgsli.com

 

[elliot5]

Did they say what resolutions the FSR images were running natively at? Like what was their base resolution?



But I can't even tell the difference between the different FSR 2.0 options lol.

No the disclaimer just says Ultra settings.

I'm guessing 1440p ? cause 1440p to 2160p upscaling seems to be the one that gets talked about most often.

AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 GDC 2022 Announcements

Last week was a big week for our AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution (FSR) (1) upscaling technology – after FSR launched in 2021 and became the fastest adopted software technology in AMD history (2), we announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0, the next generation of our open-source upscaling...

community.amd.com

Heres a table

 

[YCoCg]

Console games should use proper scaling methods that benefit the hardware they're being run on. FSR is rough.

You already have FSR2.0? Wow you must have an uncle at AMD.

 

[Thirty7ven]

So basically it will run on anything that isn't ancient.

 

[adamsapple]

AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 GDC 2022 Announcements

Last week was a big week for our AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution (FSR) (1) upscaling technology – after FSR launched in 2021 and became the fastest adopted software technology in AMD history (2), we announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0, the next generation of our open-source upscaling...

community.amd.com

Heres a table

Nice, 1440p with no/minimal IQ difference to 2160p is a pretty good get, especially for a solution that works so well on a broad range of devices.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

You already have FSR2.0? Wow you must have an uncle at AMD.

Just common sense. It runs on everything so it's a software solution which will never be as good as hardware ones (e.g. DLSS that uses tensor cores in Nvidia cards).

 

[Thirty7ven]

How it looks in motion is the big question.

 

[YCoCg]

Just common sense. It runs on everything so it's a software solution which will never be as good as hardware ones (e.g. DLSS that uses tensor cores in Nvidia cards).

You know DLSS1.0 sucked right? And have you seen the examples of FSR2.0? Even if it doesn't fully beat out DLSS, it's now very close and for console viewing distances this will be a blessing.

 

[chaseroni]

Is FSR 2.0 coming to Cyberpunk on PC?

 

[deeptech]

From the images it seems like colossal difference between fsr 1.0, would love to see it on my screen in motion though.
For consoles this is absolute must, they can't push native 4k and give next gen graphics that's for sure, 1440p max.

 

[MetalRain]

This is great, Quality mode looks great, Balanced fine and even Performance looks serviceable, so there are options to people whatever they prefer more quality or framerate.

However Deathloop is not really best comparison. It's quite stylished/low detail game in general. Let's see how it runs highly detailed games, I don't expect any significant difference, but you never know.