SolidQ
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Neural Supersampling and Denoising for Real-time Path Tracing
Read our research for a neural denoising and supersampling technique, with the aim of achieving real-time path tracing.
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AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”
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Rudius
Member
Both will improve with time, just like dlss
Bry0
Member
I want to to upgrade my 7900xtx for VR flight simming…. 5090 it is!
I’m not surprised that they will want to push adoption of these, but something in my gut is like “nope”. Maybe during the presentation they will offer some price and performance figures. If they don’t, and just wait for nvidia to do their CES presentation before dropping their own numbers then that tells you everything.
I’m not surprised that they will want to push adoption of these, but something in my gut is like “nope”. Maybe during the presentation they will offer some price and performance figures. If they don’t, and just wait for nvidia to do their CES presentation before dropping their own numbers then that tells you everything.
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GreatnessRD
Member
Figured they would've started the upscaling exclusive stuff with UDNA1™. Very surprising to see it here.
2pm can't come soon enough
2pm can't come soon enough
LavitzSlambert
Member
They pick the worst price points every time, just cheaper than Nvidia but not enough that it’s a good value. And they wonder why people want AMD to be better so they can buy an Nvidia card at a better price.
Fellow BF Powercolor Fighter holiday return policy?
Radical_3d
Member
I’m not planing on playing anything more complicated than Civ VII. I use PC gaming for its intended purpose: boring never ending games that got me hooked.
SweetTooth
Banned
SweetTooth
Banned
So DLSS is shit now? Ok
winjer
Member
AMD was working on this. The question is if its ready for the FSR4 launch.
AMD Begins Working On Its Own Neural Supersampling & Denoising Techniques For RDNA-Based GPUs, Competitor To DLSS Ray Reconstruction
AMD's upcoming FSR package could solve the noise issue on path-traced frames with proprietary neural supersampling & denoising techniques.
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
So, what does this do then? Just better frame gen?
DirtInUrEye
Member
You got that the wrong way around.
phant0m
Member
raw performance? worse. these are mid-grade cards with improved upscaling/RT
Wolzard
Member
Since FSR is open-source, the possibility of this occurring is high. There is currently a mod that replaces DLSS3 with FSR3.
dlssg-to-fsr3 (Replace Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Gen with AMD FSR 3 Frame Gen)
Adds AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation to games by replacing Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Generation (nvngx_dlssg).
www.nexusmods.com
showernota
Member
Yep, Amazon just delivered it Saturday.
Deep learning is a subset of machine learning which uses deep neural networks. Literally takes a couple of minutes to google this if you don't have knowledge about it.Nvidia only has deep learning, this machine learning seems next-level
Klosshufvud
Member
lol why would anyone even want this? Even the early versions of DLSS destroy FSR3 in image quality and performance gains.Since FSR is open-source, the possibility of this occurring is high. There is currently a mod that replaces DLSS3 with FSR3.
dlssg-to-fsr3 (Replace Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Gen with AMD FSR 3 Frame Gen)
Adds AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation to games by replacing Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Generation (nvngx_dlssg).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The problem
Is actually making use of those tops. The bandwidth requirements are currently insane (several TB/s hence why they are re-using the register files to hold data and trying to keep the algorithm running as close to a single roundtrip to memory and back as possible… fully fused network is what they are targeting but they are still not there)
Senua
Member
Not everyone has a 4000 series card
Wolzard
Member
You are not limited to the RTX 4000. This mod allows you to use previous generations, GTX 1600, RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series.
DLSS3/FSR3 refer to the frame generator.
Klosshufvud
Member
Wait is DLSS Frame Gen exclusive to 4000 series Nvidia cards? I had honestly no idea.
Wolzard
Member
According to Nvidia, only the RTX 4000 hardware was capable of this, but obviously that was bullshit.
Buggy Loop
Member
Is it?
You can bench optical flow on Ampere and Turing if you want
Optical Flow SDK
Find resources to detect, track, and compute the relative motion of pixels between images.
developer.nvidia.com
They perform vastly worse than Ada.
Could they have taken shortcuts and make a more glitchy version for previous cards? Sure. But look how peoples already look through the microscope anything Nvidia does, frame by frame and critique the tech, while AMD gets a "aawww, that's cute, 2 years late but it's ok if its glitchy, good effort"
willothedog
Member
It was in jest to illustrate how far Radeon is behind and playing catch-up....
Wolzard
Member
Is it?
You can bench optical flow on Ampere and Turing if you want
Optical Flow SDK
Find resources to detect, track, and compute the relative motion of pixels between images.
They perform vastly worse than Ada.
Could they have taken shortcuts and make a more glitchy version for previous cards? Sure. But look how peoples already look through the microscope anything Nvidia does, frame by frame and critique the tech, while AMD gets a "aawww, that's cute, 2 years late but it's ok if its glitchy, good effort"
Given the popularity of the FSR3 framegen in mods I see out there, I don't think most people care much.
The issue is that Nvidia always forces the upgrade. The RTX 3000 sold a lot and as the performance gain for the RTX 4000 was not very large, it was necessary to create this gimmick to give reasons to upgrade.
iQuasarLV
Member
It does not matter man. The public perceptions is cemented now, and no one can be persuaded anymore. Look at response #79 and extrapolate from there.
iQuasarLV
Member
Yea, its BS how they lump everything under a single buzzword.I cant keep up with these numbered names anymore
DLSS 1.0: pure ML upscaler
DLSS 2.0: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vector cleanup
DLSS 3.0: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vecotr cleanup. w/ 2-frame interpolation insertion
DLSS 3.5: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vecotr cleanup. w/ 2-frame interpolation insertion, w/ RT de-noiser
DLSS 4.0: who knows? maybe the kitchen sink.
kevboard
Member
FSR3 is inferior not only in image quality but also in frame stability as it literally turns off if there are too many changes from one frame to the next, like during fast camera motion.
releasing a lower quality DLSS frame gen would probably be identical in quality to FSR3 frame gen, which I yet have to have a single good experience with, as every time I tested it in anything it was either just about tolerable, or it was straight unusably bad.
but especially now a downgraded DLSS frame gen would be basically obsolete anyway as FSR frame gen already fulfills this functionality... and doesn't do it all that well.
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Puscifer
Member
When implemented properly there was screenshots of TLOU PT 1 having a cleaner pass than DLSS
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Topher
Identifies as young
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Ooh, going to try to catch it while sitting in Teams meeting.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol
my QA guy literally scheduled a meeting at 2PM just today. I knew shouldve blocked that time on my calender.
iQuasarLV
Member
11:00am PST. On youtube
j0hnnix
Member
shareholders had a red dot on him
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Beast CPU, but overkill imo. *for gaming
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