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[SolidQ]

DLSS 3.5 has AI Reconstruction Raytracing.

Neural Supersampling and Denoising for Real-time Path Tracing

Read our research for a neural denoising and supersampling technique, with the aim of achieving real-time path tracing.

gpuopen.com

 

[Rudius]

Interesting how different/similar will be to pssr and what it means for future of pssr (if its better then whats the point of sony investing in it more ?)

Both will improve with time, just like dlss

 

[Wooxsvan]

so i'll wait to sell my 7900xtx. until i see how this performs

 

[Bry0]

I want to to upgrade my 7900xtx for VR flight simming…. 5090 it is!

I’m not surprised that they will want to push adoption of these, but something in my gut is like “nope”. Maybe during the presentation they will offer some price and performance figures. If they don’t, and just wait for nvidia to do their CES presentation before dropping their own numbers then that tells you everything.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I am assuming the fsr 4 for Xbox is a joke ? Or this is a stunt move MS and AMD trying to pull to say MS has something against PSSR ?

Confused

 

[GreatnessRD]

Figured they would've started the upscaling exclusive stuff with UDNA1™. Very surprising to see it here.

2pm can't come soon enough

 

[LavitzSlambert]

AMD didn’t announce the price so they can wait and see what Nvidia will announce today and then go 100$ below what is directly competing with their card . Same typical move every time.

Also lol at FSR4 not working with 7000 series. They announce FSR4 been in development for more than 1 year few months back and don’t want to enable it for the 7000 series… talk about a shitty move not even Nvidia did pull.

Let’s hope it’s as good as DLSS2 because I am quite sure they are going to be murdered against DLSS4

They pick the worst price points every time, just cheaper than Nvidia but not enough that it’s a good value. And they wonder why people want AMD to be better so they can buy an Nvidia card at a better price.

I got a 7800xt on Black Friday that’s sitting unopened, ready to be returned.

Fellow BF Powercolor Fighter holiday return policy?

 

[Radical_3d]

The Mac mini is an amazing machine but certainly not for gaming? I’ve got one and while the efficiency is unmatched, there are very few games available so I end up using cloud

I’m not planing on playing anything more complicated than Civ VII. I use PC gaming for its intended purpose: boring never ending games that got me hooked.

 

[SweetTooth]

Finally they are an option vs Nvidia again, maybe.

What is the first generation??

Cerny input so valuable they skipped a gen

 

[SweetTooth]

..different name, same shit.

So DLSS is shit now? Ok

 

[winjer]

What about FSR 4.0's impact on raytracing? DLSS 3.5 has AI Reconstruction Raytracing.

AMD was working on this. The question is if its ready for the FSR4 launch.

AMD Begins Working On Its Own Neural Supersampling & Denoising Techniques For RDNA-Based GPUs, Competitor To DLSS Ray Reconstruction

AMD's upcoming FSR package could solve the noise issue on path-traced frames with proprietary neural supersampling & denoising techniques.

wccftech.com

 

[Trogdor1123]

So, what does this do then? Just better frame gen?

 

[DirtInUrEye]

If we could mod DLSS games to run with FSR 4 it would be fantastic

You got that the wrong way around.

 

[Fake]

Let the next Playstation have more options than rely on PSSR.

Is good to have competition.

 

[phant0m]

so i'll wait to sell my 7900xtx. until i see how this performs

raw performance? worse. these are mid-grade cards with improved upscaling/RT

 

[Nankatsu]

As a 7900 GRE owner, kind of pissed, but it's expectable for them to go with this root.

 

[Wolzard]

If we could mod DLSS games to run with FSR 4 it would be fantastic

Since FSR is open-source, the possibility of this occurring is high. There is currently a mod that replaces DLSS3 with FSR3.

dlssg-to-fsr3 (Replace Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Gen with AMD FSR 3 Frame Gen)

Adds AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation to games by replacing Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Generation (nvngx_dlssg).

www.nexusmods.com

 

[showernota]

Fellow BF Powercolor Fighter holiday return policy?

Yep, Amazon just delivered it Saturday.

 

[simpatico]

Considering how incredibly underwhelming FSR3 was, it's hard to get excited. I don't even understand why AMD hyped FSR 3. Public perception would be so much better if they just quietly released it as FSR2.2. It certainly looks more like 2.2 rather than 3.

 

[Jakk]

Nvidia only has deep learning, this machine learning seems next-level

Deep learning is a subset of machine learning which uses deep neural networks. Literally takes a couple of minutes to google this if you don't have knowledge about it.

 

[Senua]

I hope this is the real deal

 

[Klosshufvud]

Since FSR is open-source, the possibility of this occurring is high. There is currently a mod that replaces DLSS3 with FSR3.

dlssg-to-fsr3 (Replace Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Gen with AMD FSR 3 Frame Gen)

Adds AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation to games by replacing Nvidia DLSS-G Frame Generation (nvngx_dlssg).

www.nexusmods.com

lol why would anyone even want this? Even the early versions of DLSS destroy FSR3 in image quality and performance gains.

 

[Panajev2001a]

but can be better, because RDNA4 have more tops + pc optimize

The problem
Is actually making use of those tops. The bandwidth requirements are currently insane (several TB/s hence why they are re-using the register files to hold data and trying to keep the algorithm running as close to a single roundtrip to memory and back as possible… fully fused network is what they are targeting but they are still not there)

 

[Senua]

lol why would anyone even want this? Even the early versions of DLSS destroy FSR3 in image quality and performance gains.

Not everyone has a 4000 series card

 

[b0uncyfr0]

I dont mind the 'exclusive' to 90 series route. But, if it turns out worse than DLSS 3, that won't end well. At the bare minimum, they've gotta match NV.

They know that right.. ?

 

[Wolzard]

lol why would anyone even want this? Even the early versions of DLSS destroy FSR3 in image quality and performance gains.

You are not limited to the RTX 4000. This mod allows you to use previous generations, GTX 1600, RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series.

DLSS3/FSR3 refer to the frame generator.

 

[Klosshufvud]

You are not limited to the RTX 4000. This mod allows you to use previous generations, GTX 1600, RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series.

DLSS3/FSR3 refer to the frame generator.

Wait is DLSS Frame Gen exclusive to 4000 series Nvidia cards? I had honestly no idea.

 

[Wolzard]

Wait is DLSS Frame Gen exclusive to 4000 series Nvidia cards? I had honestly no idea.

According to Nvidia, only the RTX 4000 hardware was capable of this, but obviously that was bullshit.

 

[Buggy Loop]

According to Nvidia, only the RTX 4000 hardware was capable of this, but obviously that was bullshit.

Is it?

You can bench optical flow on Ampere and Turing if you want

Optical Flow SDK

Find resources to detect, track, and compute the relative motion of pixels between images.

developer.nvidia.com

They perform vastly worse than Ada.

Could they have taken shortcuts and make a more glitchy version for previous cards? Sure. But look how peoples already look through the microscope anything Nvidia does, frame by frame and critique the tech, while AMD gets a "aawww, that's cute, 2 years late but it's ok if its glitchy, good effort"

 

[willothedog]

Deep learning is a subset of machine learning which uses deep neural networks. Literally takes a couple of minutes to google this if you don't have knowledge about it.

It was in jest to illustrate how far Radeon is behind and playing catch-up....

 

[Wolzard]

Is it?

You can bench optical flow on Ampere and Turing if you want

Optical Flow SDK

Find resources to detect, track, and compute the relative motion of pixels between images.

developer.nvidia.com

They perform vastly worse than Ada.

Could they have taken shortcuts and make a more glitchy version for previous cards? Sure. But look how peoples already look through the microscope anything Nvidia does, frame by frame and critique the tech, while AMD gets a "aawww, that's cute, 2 years late but it's ok if its glitchy, good effort"

Given the popularity of the FSR3 framegen in mods I see out there, I don't think most people care much.
The issue is that Nvidia always forces the upgrade. The RTX 3000 sold a lot and as the performance gain for the RTX 4000 was not very large, it was necessary to create this gimmick to give reasons to upgrade.

 

[iQuasarLV]

Given the popularity of the FSR3 framegen in mods I see out there, I don't think most people care much.
The issue is that Nvidia always forces the upgrade. The RTX 3000 sold a lot and as the performance gain for the RTX 4000 was not very large, it was necessary to create this gimmick to give reasons to upgrade.

It does not matter man. The public perceptions is cemented now, and no one can be persuaded anymore. Look at response #79 and extrapolate from there.

 

[Tomeru]

I cant keep up with these numbered names anymore

 

[iQuasarLV]

I cant keep up with these numbered names anymore

Yea, its BS how they lump everything under a single buzzword.

DLSS 1.0: pure ML upscaler
DLSS 2.0: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vector cleanup
DLSS 3.0: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vecotr cleanup. w/ 2-frame interpolation insertion
DLSS 3.5: pure ML upscaler. w/ TAA motion vecotr cleanup. w/ 2-frame interpolation insertion, w/ RT de-noiser
DLSS 4.0: who knows? maybe the kitchen sink.

 

[kevboard]

Given the popularity of the FSR3 framegen in mods I see out there, I don't think most people care much.
The issue is that Nvidia always forces the upgrade. The RTX 3000 sold a lot and as the performance gain for the RTX 4000 was not very large, it was necessary to create this gimmick to give reasons to upgrade.

FSR3 is inferior not only in image quality but also in frame stability as it literally turns off if there are too many changes from one frame to the next, like during fast camera motion.

releasing a lower quality DLSS frame gen would probably be identical in quality to FSR3 frame gen, which I yet have to have a single good experience with, as every time I tested it in anything it was either just about tolerable, or it was straight unusably bad.

but especially now a downgraded DLSS frame gen would be basically obsolete anyway as FSR frame gen already fulfills this functionality... and doesn't do it all that well.

 

[Topher]

Didn't someone say there was an AMD presentation today? Anyone know what time?

 

[Puscifer]

..different name, same shit.

When implemented properly there was screenshots of TLOU PT 1 having a cleaner pass than DLSS

 

[SlimySnake]

Didn't someone say there was an AMD presentation today? Anyone know what time?

in 12 minutes

 

[Topher]

in 12 minutes

Thanks

 

[StereoVsn]

in 12 minutes

Ooh, going to try to catch it while sitting in Teams meeting.

 

[SlimySnake]

Ooh, going to try to catch it while sitting in Teams meeting.

lol

my QA guy literally scheduled a meeting at 2PM just today. I knew shouldve blocked that time on my calender.

 

[iQuasarLV]

Didn't someone say there was an AMD presentation today? Anyone know what time?

11:00am PST. On youtube

 

[Topher]

Anyone hearing an echo in the live stream?

 

[hinch7]

Lol terrible audio. Typical AMD.

Edit: fixed. Ah Ai, ai ai

 

[j0hnnix]

and were just getting started!

 

[Topher]

Dudes hands are shaking like crazy

 

[j0hnnix]

Dudes hands are shaking like crazy

shareholders had a red dot on him

 

[CrustyBritches]

Beast CPU, but overkill imo. *for gaming

 

[Topher]

shareholders had a red dot on him

 

[hinch7]

X3D mobile, nice.