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Sony co-developing FSR4 upscaler models
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omegasc
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PSSR is maybe a scaled down version of it since the ML stuff in the Pro is custom. My guess is it's "the same", just less powerful.
Horseganador
Member
Sony and Cerny have been collaborating with AMD for some time on these AI technologies, PSSR, FSR4 will continue to improve, on PS6 it should be quite impressive.
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GHG
Gold Member
If people want to make themselves look foolish then so be it.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
We already have PSSR. it's the same thing
SolidQ
Member
That maybe going to be same quality for RDNA3 implementation
winjer
Gold Member
FSR4 and PSSR are very similar, basically the same upscaler, but one adapted for the Pro and the other for PC.
We are probably seeing better results with FSR4, because AMD had 4 extra months of AI training. But Sony should update PSSR with newer iterations.
GHG
Gold Member
Ah, I see you're determined to double down on your stupidity.
Show us on the doll where the PS5 pro hurt you:
Bojji
Member
Ah, I see you're determined to double down on your stupidity.
Show us on the doll where the PS5 pro hurt you:
Show me how PSSR compares to FSR4 if it has the same quality.
This tweet means that they used some Sony models to train FSR4, not that PSSR and FSR4 are the same thing.
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Neural networks can be simplified to run faster with a quality loss, so my guess is that Sony knew what kind of ms budget they could afford (2 ms or something) and then used an appropriate network configuration to remain within that budget. Presumably PCs with stronger GPUs can execute more complex networks faster, and so will the PS6.
This is an extremely scalable solution. DLSS is also doing that.
This is an extremely scalable solution. DLSS is also doing that.
GHG
Gold Member
That's... Not the point anyone is making.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
People tend to forget the "learning" part of machine learning sometimes
Bojji
Member
Collaboration with Sony means jack shit for PS5 Pro if quality of PSSR is much worse.
DLSS has the same quality across all GPUs.
Skifi28
Member
Drawing that conclusion would require comparing the latest version of FSR4 and PSSR. For all we know PSSR looks very similar right now or whenever they release the next version on the SDK for developers to implement. Not to mention that recent games not using the launch version have been quite good, though we've had that discussion before and it somehow ended in you talking about TAA upscaling.
DLSS has different quality profiles with different speeds.
I'm talking about the different NETWORKS not the GPUs.
GHG
Gold Member
Well... No. Because without that collaboration the pro would have been stuck with older versions of FSR and FSR4 wouldn't have turned out to be as good as it has done.
So both companies have got what they wanted out of this partnership and it allows them to both further accelerate ML going forwards.
March Climber
Member
Cerny/Sony:
TheRedRiders
Member
Shared this on the other thread too, and also worth sharing here. LeviathanGamer2's take on why Sony went with their own custom PSSR solution rather than plucking FSR 4.
XXL
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kazuyamishima
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
The data is shared and Sony updates PSSR based on what the hardware in the PS5 Pro can handle
It really doesn't.
Bojji
Member
What I said about FSR4 in November?
He has made mistakes. With me on the team console would be flawless.
It does.
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GHG
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
What do you mean, it doesn't?
viveks86
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I think many have misread what is being said. The thread title doesn't help either. Assuming they directly contributed to FSR4 already (I'm not even 100% certain of that from the tweet), Sony may have worked on the smaller CNN model as per their hardware constraints while AMD worked on the bigger transformer model as per their hardware constraints. FSR4 could be a combination of both. FSR4 may never make it to the Pro due to its hardware requirements. Or the collaboration may yield just that, a lighter weight, optimized model that can run on Frankenstein cross generational RDNA hardware. All of this is speculation. We don't know. What happens going forward is all that matters. When someone says they are excited for the co-development, that's a forward looking statement. Not a statement on work already done.
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Ashamam
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Someone take away the spade.
onnextflix5
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Guessing ps6 will have fsr4 or 5. So dose that mean fsr4 won’t be coming to the next Xbox? Or do ms need to pay Sony and AMD royalty fees for usage.
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bender
What time is it?
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viveks86
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Ashamam
Member
Not necessarily, PS6 will almost certainly use custom silicon that might mean mainstream 'pure' FSR4 isn't an option. Xbox I think is more likely to use reference hardware so it wouldn't surprise me if FSR4 was possible there. But since they fork out of the same project as one model advances the other should too. At least thats what it looks like to me.
bender
What time is it?
That shit is even ol....
Bojji
Member
8.9/10
GHG
Gold Member
Who is celebrating anything?
Considering the collaboration, it means that PSSR can benefit from advancements made with FSR4 (where applicable) and FSR4 can benefit from any advancements Sony make with PSSR. That's the whole point of the partnership. PSSR wasn't born out of thin air, it's their own custom version of FSR that has been adapted for their console hardware.
bender
What time is it?
That's not how coordinates work.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think the power of the GPU also has something to do with it.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Contrary to what a lot of people think, DLSS isn't 1 thing. The 1 thing people think it is, isn't even available on most cards.
Right now you don't have Frame Generation on 3000 and 2000 series cards, while Multi Frame Generation is only available on the 5000 series cards - and that one's not just Nvidia being scums, they've actually made changes that will make bringing some of those features down to 4000 and maybe 3000 series cards possible, but how well it'll perform is another story. Reality is, not all Tensor cores are created equal.
Yeah. The PS5 Pro is still mostly RDNA 2 with a couple NOS tanks ziptied on.
Gaiff
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But the talk is about upscaling, not frame generation.
Does 4K DLSS Q look the same on a 5090 and 4070? Yes.
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