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[PaintTinJr]

Good, fuck you NVIDIA.

However, here, MSRP are all sold out and the ones available have an outrageous markup.

Was checking earlier on a potential new Zen5 9900X for a new build, and was shocked to see the cost (from amazon.com with UK taxes/shipping added) works out roughly dollar to £ (where 0.77 £ to dollars wipes out the import tax shipping) and still £40 cheaper than newegg doing the exact same import with their £380 price.

So deals like that might be the same for the RX 9070XT at msrp for UK too.

edit:
Just went back to check and think someone with distribution deal for Ryzen zen5 with amazon that breaks UK competition laws is reading this board and contacted amazon, as all Zen5 CPUs except for the massively overpriced 9950X disappear when I set my delivery country to the UK and if I select with a different country then switch is explicitly states it can't ship a 9900X to my country(UK), now.

 

[winjer]

Was checking earlier on a potential new Zen5 9900X for a new build, and was shocked to see the cost (from amazon.com with UK taxes/shipping added) works out roughly dollar to £ (where 0.77 £ to dollars wipes out the import tax shipping) and still £40 cheaper than newegg doing the exact same import with their £380 price.

So deals like that might be the same for the RX 9070XT at msrp for UK too.

If you are considering gaming, I would not advise for a CPU with 2 dies and 6 cores each. Because, there is a good chance of threads spilling from one CCX to the other and suffering the latency penalty.
Better to go for an 8 core, be it with one or two CCX. So either the 9700X or the 9950X. Or the X3D variants.

 

[PaintTinJr]

If you are considering gaming, I would not advise for a CPU with 2 dies and 6 cores each. Because, there is a good chance of threads spilling from one CCX to the other and suffering the latency penalty.
Better to go for an 8 core, be it with one or two CCX. So either the 9700X or the 9950X. Or the X3D variants.

I do almost no PC gaming, other than trying things for curiosity of comparison, so I need more worker cores and less rapid ones for my use case.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

It is a massive shame AMD cancelled the high end RDNA 4 GPU.

They're in survival mode, their % is around 11% atm. Instead of trying to compete in all segments against nvidia and make a mess of themselves due to lack of resources they chose the smart play - focus on the sweetspot of the market and deliver there, freeing resources to fix their feature holes like rtx and ai upscaling.

 

[SolidQ]

Some small inteerview with Microcenter employee



Some UV test from Guy

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Some small inteerview with Microcenter employee

It's absolutely bonkers what NV is doing (or not doing).

 

[Luipadre]

It's absolutely bonkers what NV is doing (or not doing).

They dont seem to care about gaming anymore so why should gamers care about them?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

They dont seem to care about gaming anymore so why should gamers care about them?

Nvidia should legit cancel the 5000 series and just send them to AI boards.

Every single 5000 series of cards could fail and even then I still don't think gamers would abandon them.

nvidia is just better refocusing on the 6000 series on a more efficient node that gives a better performance uplift without the increased power draw.

 

[Wolzard]

Jensen doesn't accept this type of loss very well, we will probably have Blackwell Super GPUs, with 3GB of memory and a very aggressive price:

RTX 5080 Super 24 GB - 899
RTX 5070 Ti Super 24 GB - 659
RTX 5070 Super 18 GB - 499

 

[GHG]

Jensen doesn't accept this type of loss very well, we will probably have Blackwell Super GPUs, with 3GB of memory and a very aggressive price:

RTX 5080 Super 24 GB - 899
RTX 5070 Ti Super 24 GB - 659
RTX 5070 Super 18 GB - 499

Jensen doesn't care about us gamers anymore.

If they bump the VRAM they will charge a lot more since that would make those cards far more appealing to AI customers on the consumer side.

 

[SolidQ]

Seems ok perf, with Optiscaler and FSR4 should be better image quality

 

[asdasdasdbb]

They dont seem to care about gaming anymore so why should gamers care about them?

The Blackwell Server products are doing terribly too.

 

[MikeM]

They're in survival mode, their % is around 11% atm. Instead of trying to compete in all segments against nvidia and make a mess of themselves due to lack of resources they chose the smart play - focus on the sweetspot of the market and deliver there, freeing resources to fix their feature holes like rtx and ai upscaling.

Maximizing wafers as well. AMD’s strategy is sound here.

 

[SolidQ]

FSR3 vs FSR4 in Cybepunk

 

[SportsFan581]

^ Impressive.

 

[SolidQ]

Underclockerd 9070XT CyberPunk Path Tracing FSR4

 

[SABRE220]

Is there any hope of pathtracing performance improving with drivers and dev support in the future? Because that is the place where rdna4 seems to buckle dissapoingly even if not catastrophically so like rdna2 and 3.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Is there any hope of pathtracing performance improving with drivers and dev support in the future? Because that is the place where rdna4 seems to buckle dissapoingly even if not catastrophically so like rdna2 and 3.

Uh? They caught up to 5070

Never has RDNA been that close to nvidia for path tracing

These are DXR calls which are vendor agnostic

I have a feeling they have to fix drivers on their side for Indiana jones and black myth wukong. It's kinda already proven that by having good drivers for cyberpunk they can reach good performances, so it’s useless to knock at devs doors to improve.

They should be asking to implement FSR 4 officially + work on their denoiser and implement that.

The path tracing part is DXR..

 

[GHG]

 

[Topher]

Nice results. 5-10 fps depending on the game. Temps up 2-3 degrees as well

 

[dgrdsv]

I thought the 9070XT was supposed to go head-to-head with the RTX4080, even in RT. What's happened?

The usual AMD overhyping happened. I warned people to keep their expectations in check.

Jensen doesn't accept this type of loss very well

What loss? AMD GPUs are priced according to what Nvidia has launched a month prior.
This cycle is different only in a sense that it's the market which did price correction on RDNA2/3 parts while now AMD has launched them on price points where they'd be price corrected to by the market otherwise.

 

[MikeM]

About 10% on CP2077 is pretty nice.

 

[newtypepilot]

oof, AMD, so close

 

[ValiantInstance]

The usual AMD overhyping happened. I warned people to keep their expectations in check.

To be fair at 4K raster the 9070 XT is 5 frames off the 4080.

I don't recall anyone saying it would match it in RT.

 

[FingerBang]

The usual AMD overhyping happened. I warned people to keep their expectations in check.

Literally NO SOURCE said it would match the 4080 in RT. We knew all along it would be between 4070 and 4070ti, and it delivered.

AMD RT performance is a massive jump ahead this generation and it could match or even surpass Nvidia if they keep releasing turds like the 50 series.

 

[PaintTinJr]

oof, AMD, so close

That's an interesting compilation of data, Gamer nexus being in the US seems pretty defeated into accepting the situation and just calling Nvidia and AMD out over the paper MSRP, but regardless of the lack of stock in Europe and the UK this breaks all the advertising laws in these regions.

Forgetting cards not being at MSRP, cards failing to be sold anywhere below MSRP would be clear evidence of price fixing for the products by the manufacturer. In the coming years it is likely both companies get massive fines IMO for this fake advertising and price fixing if the EU and UK competition regulators look into it.

 

[MikeM]

To be fair at 4K raster the 9070 XT is 5 frames off the 4080.

I don't recall anyone saying it would match it in RT.

People crapping on the 9070xt are being very hyperbolic. Its a great card- the 4080 only has a 6% raster perf advantage.

I was telling others before that my Asus TUF 9070xt costs $390 more in 5070ti form. A 36% increase in cost for an equivalent tier card in 5070ti form for a 15% RT and 5% raster perf increase is brutal Nvidia tax.

 

[GHG]

People crapping on the 9070xt are being very hyperbolic. Its a great card- the 4080 only has a 6% raster perf advantage.

I was telling others before that my Asus TUF 9070xt costs $390 more in 5070ti form. A 36% increase in cost for an equivalent tier card in 5070ti form for a 15% RT and 5% raster perf increase is brutal Nvidia tax.

From what I'm seeing, with little to no effort you can get most examples performing on par with a 4080.

If they don't sort something out regarding windows 10 support between now and the end of the year then I'll most likely sell my 4080 and get one of these for no cost (if the situation remains as it is now I'll likely walk away with extra money in my pocket as a result) and then switch over to Linux for the build I have in my living room.

It's nice to know I now have a viable option should I decide to go in that direction.

 

[Von Hugh]

From what I'm seeing, with little to no effort you can get most examples performing on par with a 4080.

If they don't sort something out regarding windows 10 support between now and the end of the year then I'll most likely sell my 4080 and get one of these for no cost (if the situation remains as it is now I'll likely walk away with extra money in my pocket as a result) and then switch over to Linux for the build I have in my living room.

It's nice to know I now have a viable option should I decide to go in that direction.

It can even beat RTX 5080 in three games: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/

And with an overclock in some more games. Sounds pretty good value to me.

 

[JCK75]

I've always had a soft spot for AMD/ATI, I did not jump ship back to Nvidia until the 1080Ti, and I've remained Nvidia ever since...
I will gladly go back with how things are going.

 

[StereoVsn]

It can even beat RTX 5080 in three games: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/

And with an overclock in some more games. Sounds pretty good value to me.

If you can get it for MSRP, it’s an outstanding value. As a comparison point, Microcenter had a 5080 restock today for a few Asus cards. They run between $1500 and $1700. This is vs $600 I paid at Microcenter last week.

I will take AMD any time considering this price discrepancy vs performance.

 

[Pey.]

Here's my review of the 9070 XT, one of the most complete GPU reviews I've ever made > https://www.pcmrace.com/2025/03/10/rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-review-analisis/

 

[Boo Who?]

My 9070xt is installed. This is my 1st AMD card so Ill have to learn how things work for it. I'll install optiscaler this week and play around with that as well.

 

[Bojji]

DF test of path tracing:

 

[SolidQ]

Here's my review of the 9070 XT, one of the most complete GPU reviews I've ever made

Interesting some results

 

[dorkimoe]

Buying a GPU nowadays is such a shitshow

It’s unbelievable really. The 40 series was never even in stock for me ever

 

[lachesis]

Saw maybe a couple dozen MSRP 9070xt cards came in NY Flushing Microcenter today (and sold out in a few hours.. was hoping to get there after I wrap up today's work. Takes about an hour+ one way.. )
Brooklyn one didn't seem to have gotten any - and Yonkers one seemed to have gotten fewer stocks. Not sure how they distribute...
One that is closest to me is NJ one (30min) - hope they'll get some soon.

So.. I guess AMD is really pushing MSRP? Newegg also had some stock today, but not the MSRP ones. Online/Offline disparity is pretty big on this launch... hope they'll be more readily available soon.

 

[64gigabyteram]

DF test of path tracing:

please tell me driver updates will improve the path tracing performance.

I know it's hopium, but that is the biggest drawback to this GPU compared to the Nvidia options. Ray tracing is there, upscaling is there, streaming quality is there, this is their new achilles heel. If they could give a 50% boost or something this card would be perfect.

 

[rnlval]

They're in survival mode, their % is around 11% atm. Instead of trying to compete in all segments against nvidia and make a mess of themselves due to lack of resources they chose the smart play - focus on the sweetspot of the market and deliver there, freeing resources to fix their feature holes like rtx and ai upscaling.

AMD clawed back 7% graphics market share from Nvidia at the end of 2024, but the outlook for the whole industry in 2025 looks iffy

The great unknown? Yup, you guessed it, tariffs.

www.pcgamer.com

"JPR's numbers show AMD's increasing from just 10% of the market in Q3 2024 to 17% in Q4."

This number doesn't include AMD's IGP with CPU SKUs.

AMD was in the RX 5700 XT situation when developing the game console GPUs for PS5 and XSX.

 

[Bojji]

please tell me driver updates will improve the path tracing performance.

I know it's hopium, but that is the biggest drawback to this GPU compared to the Nvidia options. Ray tracing is there, upscaling is there, streaming quality is there, this is their new achilles heel. If they could give a 50% boost or something this card would be perfect.

Drives could improve performance but I don't think parity with Nvidia in those games is achievable. Both AW2 and CP use specific nvidia hardware to speed up things, BMW runs much faster on Ada/BW than on Ampere so it also uses some things exclusive to newest nvidia architectures.

Some platform agnostic games would give better answers but we don't have any so far with PT.

 

[StereoVsn]

Drives could improve performance but I don't think parity with Nvidia in those games is achievable. Both AW2 and CP use specific nvidia hardware to speed up things, BMW runs much faster on Ada/BW than on Ampere so it also uses some things exclusive to newest nvidia architectures.

Some platform agnostic games would give better answers but we don't have any so far with PT.

Yep, that’s the biggest issue here, devs optimizing specifically for Nvidia only. Kind of hard to blame them considering the market share before this launch.

 

[Bojji]

Yep, that’s the biggest issue here, devs optimizing specifically for Nvidia only. Kind of hard to blame them considering the market share before this launch.

I think AMD might start to push PT into games now that they have competent RT in their GPUs.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Seems to be undervolting well, good news

77fps at 4K FSRQ + Ultra RT. I'm impressed, because that's not far from my result (82fps), and we are talking about very demanding RT game

I could almost believe that the 9070XT was competitive in this game, but then I looked at Terra Ware's gameplay/benchmarks and the 9070XT no longer can keep up, so what's going on?



1440p TAA native, raster - around 85-95fps on the 9070XT, my card 115-135fps during gameplay, 121fps in built in benchmark

1440p TAA nattive, Ultra RT - around 44-56fps on the 9070XT, my card 55-70fps during gameplay, 64fps in built in benchmark

1440p FSR Quality, Ultra RT - around 75-100fps on the 9070XT, my card 95-120fps, 110fps in built in benchmark

1440p FSR Quality, Path Tracing around 45-50fps, my card 70-80fps during gameplay, 71fps in built in benchmark

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Interesting some results

The Radeon cards underperformed in Monster Hunter Wilds, but AMD released new drivers optimised for the game and performance improved by a whopping 25%. Nvidia has also released drivers for this game, but performance has not improved .

Interesting, in RDR2 OCe'd is not that far behind the RTX4090 , and can even beat it at lower resolutions. Maybe the RTX 4090 is weaker than we thought..... until you run RT game .

 

[64gigabyteram]

Yep, that’s the biggest issue here, devs optimizing specifically for Nvidia only. Kind of hard to blame them considering the market share before this launch.

time to start asking devs to make more AMD optimized updates.

I think the hardware is there, it's just up to devs to try utilizing it on AMD's side.

 

[Topher]

Nice improvement

 

[Topher]

This is interesting....

 

[SABRE220]

This is interesting....

I think the hardware is there but software needs to catchup. Most of the techshowcase games are designed almost exclusively around Nvidia tech[can't blame them amd was too behind] and amds drivers have also always lagged behind. If amd focus on software and dev support I think rdna4 can perform much better in pathtracing for e.g.

 

[Topher]

I think the hardware is there but software needs to catchup. Most of the techshowcase games are designed almost exclusively around Nvidia tech[can't blame them amd was too behind] and amds drivers have also always lagged behind. If amd focus on software and dev support I think rdna4 can perform much better in pathtracing for e.g.

Yep. AMD has get the software side of the house in order for sure.

 

[GHG]

This is interesting....

The CPU upgrade will be contributing a lot there.

I scored 24 345 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com