Upgrade that 7850 to a 8850/70 and have it hit the 2.5 TF number, and you got yourself a next-gen system
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Upgrade that 7850 to a 8850/70 and have it hit the 2.5 TF number, and you got yourself a next-gen system
.Yeah, as I said, bad IQ.
It would be much cheaper and much lower TDP than a launch PS3 or 360.
H_Prestige
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Woah, really? The 360 launched at $299. Would be hilarious if they could deliver a more powerful system at a lower price than the Wii U.
Your not going to see jaguar cores in this. You will simply see a bulldozer core (most likely steam roller) . On 28nm its going to actually be a smaller chip and provide them with 4 cores that have very strong fpu's .
The more I think about this the more of a god send using an amd x86 /64 bit chip will be for them. The majority of titles this generation are running unreal engine 3 which is already optimized for x86 and epic can easily tweak the code to run even better and use advanced units on the chip to get better performance. They will have acess to a ton of cheap ram. They can pair the cpu up to its own 4 gigs of ddr 3 . They can save faster ram to dedicate the gpu only . Now they can make a modern OS and put it in the cpu ram.
This will all help amd also who gets a lot of game engines optimized for their chips.
The more I think about this the more of a god send using an amd x86 /64 bit chip will be for them. The majority of titles this generation are running unreal engine 3 which is already optimized for x86 and epic can easily tweak the code to run even better and use advanced units on the chip to get better performance. They will have acess to a ton of cheap ram. They can pair the cpu up to its own 4 gigs of ddr 3 . They can save faster ram to dedicate the gpu only . Now they can make a modern OS and put it in the cpu ram.
This will all help amd also who gets a lot of game engines optimized for their chips.
DaSorcerer7
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399.99
JimmyRustler
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The core was 299.
jeff_rigby
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The same thing that allows Eyefinity, multiple monitors and scaling to each also allows up-scaling to 4K with 2K to 4K a up-scaling "standard" and possibly a 2K to 720P standard for down-scaling.
The idea of supporting a 1080P60Hz target is that it assures a 1080P30Hz S3D mode can be supported. We really don't know what new HDMI resolutions are coming to support 4K monitors but all should be standards chosen to make it easy to either render or up and downscale as well as support Head mounted glasses and cameras.
I don't believe resolutions will decrease in later years as I think there are plans for new optimizations that will allow for higher resolution.
XtremeXpider
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Talking about it, how big will be the difference between Wii U and PS4/Xb8 if last rumours are real (8GB, mylticores cpus, discrete gpus)?
THE:MILKMAN
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Upgrade that 7850 to a 8850/70 and have it hit the 2.5 TF number, and you got yourself a next-gen system
Isn't the 8 series just a refining of the 7 series? Would the customisations Sony would request automatically include these refinements?
Totally pulled out my arse...but I estimate ~110 TDP for a 4-core and ~130 for the 8-core. Plus whatever 4GB DDR4 would use.
eastman said:
I thought the latest "legit" leaks were that they had switched to Jaguar cores. *shrugs* I guess we'll have to wait for the next round of leaks.
Massive.
Though if the Wiiu is sucessful , it will recieve port of games but it depends if its financially viable
Much rather not say tbh. There are too many factors and not enough public knowledge on the PS4/720 to make any conclusions on how they will differ.
All I'll say is if the games are designed for the Ps4/720/PC in mind, it'll be big.
I'd say slightly above GCN, PS2, Xbox levels of differences. Whoever takes advantage of the hardware the most will make noticeably better looking titles (XB3 and PS4-wise of course)
We still don't have enough information to be certain, but if the "2TF+" rumors pan out it would be pretty close to a traditional generational gap.
No, the gap will probably be somewhat smaller than that in terms of power (but much larger than, say, in the PS2 generation). And the difference in GPU feature set will be significantly smaller (though still there to an extent).So this generation again? Yikes if true
Phoenician_Viking
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God Of War Nordic mythology and nothing else for the time being. I would also take Eastern mythologies like Indian or Chinese. Hell i will even take Egyptian but that is as a last resort. I want my hack and slash GOW, and not some kind of RPG.
Didn't the Dreamcast pretty much die because it was released too close to another console cycle and everybody doubted it's power against the upcoming PS2? Really surprised Microsoft and Sony haven't fired some 'here is what next gen is going to look like' shots just to pour some water on the Wii U hype (not that I can sense much of it). I remember Nintendo did a very similar thing when the N64 got delayed until after Christmas in Europe, we had a load of 'don't buy a turkey for christmas this year' adverts trying to get people to hold off.
I've also thought about this. I guess one reason could be that they still want to sell a lot of PS3s/360s at least during the holidays.
Especially toward the beginning of the generation. And the gap will remain small if Sony and MS make 1080p60fps mandatory.
Also, PS4/XB3 will be DirectX 11 and its equivalent OpenGL counterpart compliant as opposed to DX10.1 (afaik) for Wii U.
Probably this. They'll most likely double team Nintendo in the spring
Wasn't it because the PS2 was very hyped and it had DVD which helped the hype and the Dreamcast didn't have it and the hype for the Dreamcast wasn't as much their for it because of the Saturn?
The Wii-U will be supply constrained compared to the PS360. That, along with the competitive pricing and bigger library, I don't think MS and Sony have much to worry about this year.
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I think there was a good amount of hype for the DC. However that quickly faded due to financial issues at Sega and the hype quickly building around the ps2. Publishers were much more willing to place their bets and their investment dollars into the PS2 after the success of the PSone.
That maybe, but like I asked in this thread, is 1080p worth doing if you achieve can more with 720p+AA+AF? If the performance penalty for the two are very similar then I can see merit to your argument.
Lowering the resolution is a form of optimization though.
We have seen resolution decrease on average this gen, why wouldn't it happen next gen?
I just don't think we'll see sub-720p games next gen, at least I hope we don't.
TGO
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yeah PS2 was gonna go up against it, when it arrived PSone was standing over the Dreamcasts carcass.
"don't interrupt me" I believe the PSone said.....
Me neither. Fingers crossed, the worst well see is sub 1080, eg 1280x1080. Like this gen, launch titles might actually be more often 1080p and 60fps, and then layering on more and more stuff might force some to drop framerate/res
Edit: what Durante said basically
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So so, obviously it'll be more detailed the higher the resolution, but not if the texture resolution is low
you'll be able to a high resolution texture in low resolution but wont be as sharp or detailed
I imagine we might see shots starting to come after the holidays and the final push for sales on PS3/360. Because they will need to start generating buzz for a spring/summer E3 reveal and fall launch.
James Sawyer Ford
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Don't these dev kits have a 7970 discrete GPU?
There's no way Sony isn't going to offer a discrete GPU solution.
There's no way Sony isn't going to offer a discrete GPU solution.
Yeah this is a good possibility. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see 720p games as well.
I must say that wherever I found highly detailed texture while playing a game (say Uncharted 3 or Halo Reach), I never did question whether it's 720p or 1080p. So if the textures are sharp enough consistently, what benefits besides clear image would (1920) x 1080p provide especially given the performance penalty it will impose over 720p?
Well we might see some from from VGA
Exact same textures, different rendering resolutions.
Well Viewing Distance does solve half of this issue
Exact same textures, different rendering resolutions.
But are they low res textures being blown up, or high res textures being scaled down?
McHuj
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Exact same textures, different rendering resolutions.
I cannot wait for a next-gen souls game from From.
Exact same textures, different rendering resolutions.
Yes, your famous "I'll take it FROM here" fix for DS
You know when I play the game it doesn't look that horrible at all. Granted, it does lack the sharpness of the PC version as well. But I am pretty sure you have seen this as well on consoles where games have very high fidelity textures you can zoom right into and they don't really break down badly. And that's possible on 720p. So once again, on a closed box is 1080p worth it over 720p+AA+AF?
Are the performance penalties similar?
Low console resolutions destroys the clarity of textures.
Sigh, I still cant find those awesome big screenshots of Uncahrted 3 that were made on the devkit.
Yes, your famous "I'll take it FROM here" fix for DS
You know when I play the game it doesn't look that horrible at all. Granted, it does lack the sharpness of the PC version as well. But I am pretty sure you have seen this as well on consoles where games have very high fidelity textures you can zoom right into and they don't really break down badly. And that's possible on 720p. So once again, on a closed box is 1080p worth it over 720p+AA+AF?
Are the performance penalties similar?
Viewing Distance and depends whether your playing a game upscaled at 1080p or at 720p on a 720 screen
pfff no difference really. That's how it looks on my tv. I know some perfectionists see things average gamer (as my self) will never notice
Sadly, I cant. I tried google image search several times. They were tundegroudn caves, with temples [chapter 22 i think]. It was very impressive. Also I think there was few large dev shots of desert village.
Here is the only large U3 screenshot i found that showcased better texture clarity than in original rez, but this is far from those I saw on GAF long ago.
Regular U3 screenshot - http://i.imgur.com/SkmlO.jpg
Well an upscaled 720 game to 1080 vs these 1080 screens will show a difference if you play near to the monitor.
@Durante
The GIF you posted is from the screenshot where the 360 version was scaled up to 1080 in Digital foundry
Aizu_Itsuko
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SEGA took too many bad steps during the 90s in the home console market that lead to a loss of trust in them, the arcades were dying and they had serious financial problems. By the time the PS2's hype hit, they were already a living corpse as a hw company, no matter how hard they tried.
Truth is Dreamcast was outdated the day it came out. It is the most overrated system ever, and for whatever nostalgic reason gamers hold it way way high on their top list.
I love Shenmue 1 & 2(maybe my favorite gaming experience), I played both on DC many times but other then that...
I love Shenmue 1 & 2(maybe my favorite gaming experience), I played both on DC many times but other then that...