MH3M3D
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January.
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winjer
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SolidQ
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Price we don't know, but perf XTX for top die, XT for nonXT by specs/arch, but what is final only AMD know. Azor in interview said raster improved a little bit(if he mean XTX and like +5%)
DenchDeckard
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llien
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You realize there is a wide range of "nvidia cards" and "nvidia cards" is certainly not limited to 5090, right?
DenchDeckard
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I don't think I chose the correct Gif. I meant to go for a more "i'm not saying anything"
Maybe this one
I am hoping they are very good. I'll be honest, I don't even have launch drivers to test the cards right now so I can't say either way.
SolidQ
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none have them, until AMD announce cards on event
llien
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Why people listen to this sh*thole is beyond me.
Relevant bits:Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong leaked - VideoCardz.com
Chiphell reviewer shares Radeon RX 9070 XT performance in games It could be based on the newer drivers. Chiphell appears to be at the forefront of the new Radeon RX 9070 leaks. The site has shared and later removed several leaks in the past, particularly those originating from posts by...videocardz.com
The reviewer is now sharing two benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth: Wukong. Both games are considered NVIDIA-optimized, with Cyberpunk 2077 often regarded as a graphics technology demo for NVIDIA. This game was even showcased at CES 2025 to demonstrate DLSS 4 technology.
The alleged Radeon RX 9070 XT, or XXXX XT as described in the posts, reportedly trades blows with the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER in these games. The card appears to deliver strong performance across all three tested resolutions: 4K, 2K, and 1080p.
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llien
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llien
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Would you mind toning down bazinga levels?
6000 came out of nowhere, surprised NV and trounced its lineup, most likely forcing a full tier drop.
7000 series was no sloch either, just not as amazing as 6000 series. Here is the 7900XT, that can be had for what, 4070Ti price, looking like this vs 4090 at 4k, the most favorable resolution for the latter:
and looking like this vs card good $200 more expensive than 7900XTX (and 8GB less VRAM):
(sauce)
Topher
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What are the leaked prices for the GPUs in the UK?
I don't think I chose the correct Gif. I meant to go for a more "i'm not saying anything"
Maybe this one
I am hoping they are very good. I'll be honest, I don't even have launch drivers to test the cards right now so I can't say either way.
So you are saying you actually have the new AMD GPUs?
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SolidQ
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Tradeblow in wukong? LOL
Bojji
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Would you mind toning down bazinga levels?
6000 came out of nowhere, surprised NV and trounced its lineup, most likely forcing a full tier drop.
7000 series was no sloch either, just not as amazing as 6000 series. Here is the 7900XT, that can be had for what, 4070Ti price, looking like this vs 4090 at 4k, the most favorable resolution for the latter:
and looking like this vs card good $200 more expensive than 7900XTX (and 8GB less VRAM):
(sauce)
RDNA2 was above expectations, most people expected 3070 like performance and they dropped raster rival for 3090 (in some games at least). But RDNA3?
Look at this shit:
Before Ada launch they even said AMD wants 3x performance!!!111
And then rumors and AMD charts:
vs. reality:
SolidQ
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Same guy who said N48 is 240mm
Topher
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Wolzard
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RDNA2 was above expectations, most people expected 3070 like performance and they dropped raster rival for 3090 (in some games at least). But RDNA3?
Look at this shit:
Before Ada launch they even said AMD wants 3x performance!!!111
And then rumors and AMD charts:
vs. reality:
One point that no one remembers is that the rumors pointed to the RDNA 3 having more than 3 GHz clock speed and in the end they came with 2 GHz (there was even an official slide). It seems to me that AMD had to cap the GPUs for some reason. I assume something related to power consumption.
Same guy who said N48 is 240mm
I didn't know he was unreliable. I'll take a closer look.
Cyberpunkd
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Why should they spend money and resources on the battle they cannot win? Live to fight another day / decade.
SolidQ
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Even working at 3.5 in programs, but not in games. Also WGP is cursed in RDNA3
With those perf RTX 5090, N4C should be easy win, but Lisa cancel N40/N41/N42, beacuse AMD modelled in labs RTX 5090 perf, should be much faster.
N4C was some specs x2, some x3 compared to 9070XT and targeted x2 perf to 9070XT
UDNA(RDNA5) will have xx8x class, but not xx90, but for RDNA6 mystery, maybe after seeing RTX 5090 pretty mediocre, Lisa gonna say make ultra top
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llien
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That's quite a concrete list of games though. Let me cross check them.
COD MW2 (I have no idea why techspot tested at basic settings. It is also one of a handful of sites who included 6950XT, I've even forgotten it existed).
Claimed 1.5 times.
Delivered: 135 => 193 = 1.43
Claim: 1.5 times faster than 6950XT at Watch Dogs: Legion. Benchmark (all benches at 4k):
88 => 120 = 1.36 times faster
Cyberpunk, claimed 1.7, delivered
49=>70 = 1.43 times faster
The rest with RT enabled is hard to find, but given that RT perf on average is 1.56 vs 6900, perhaps 1.5 is not that big of a lie.
So CP2077 is the only one standing out with 1.7 claim and 1.43 reality.
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1.5x was not a lie but was also much lower than expectations, especially considering the 2.15X increase in transistors and the move to a chiplet architecture and new process.
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llien
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28,300 million - 3090
76,300 million - 4090
2.7 increase in # of transistors
1.63 increase in perf on average at 4k vs 3090
All figures based on TPU.
Am I missing something? MLID projections for more clicks?
AMD, for comparison
26,800 million - 6950XT
57,700 million - 7900XTX
2.15 increase in transistors.
1.5-ish increase in perf.
Chiplets makes things slower and cheaper, not faster.
Reizo Ryuu
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What does 
mean? Over Clock?
mean? Over Clock?So I checked and the 1.5X is vs. the 6900 XT in the benchmarks (well 47% in TPU). TPU didn't test against the 6950 XT in their 7900 XTX review, but the metareview has the 7900XTX 37% faster. So that gives a performance increase of ~32% of the transistor increase, which is about where the 4090 ends up in the same data. (TPU has it doing worse on this metric).
So yeah, the 4090 is in the exact same boat, but that's what lead to the expectations that the 7900 XTX would be able to do better or match the 4090's performance, in the first place. The 4090 was considered somehow bottlenecked on release, but when the 7900 XTX failed to come close, that narrative fell away. If we compare with the 4080, I make the performance increase to be ~48% of the transistor increase, vs. the 3090 (3090 Ti has a much higher TDP), using the metareview. If the 7900 XTX had managed an equivalent increase, that would have put it much closer to the 4090.
The previous generation AMD had managed a 2x performance increase for 2.6x more transistors, due to significantly increasing clock speeds on the same process. While the 7000 cards only slightly increased clock speeds despite having the benefit of 5nm. Based on their slides, it seems AMD anticipated significantly higher clocks but were unable to hit them, while RDNA 4 seems to be much more scalable and has the promise of coming close to the 7900 XTX with a significantly smaller chip.
Chiplets increase latency, however using a smaller die has the promise of increasing clock speeds. (At least on RDNA 2, AMD's smallest GPUs have the highest clocks).
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llien
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My napkin math gets me to 7900 XT levels with some optimism, 10% on top to get to XTX... maybe with AIB OCes, but I am skeptical.
Price is more important variable. than perf here, imo.
CrustyBritches
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Videocardz reported that the PowerColor Red Devil comes factory OC at 3.06GHz. I had a Red Devil RX 480 and it was an awesome card. I also like Sapphire’s Nitro series. Still have a RX 470 Nitro and it had crazy OC headroom. If the 9070 XT has the right bang for buck those are brands I’ll be looking at.
Wolzard
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 specs listed by UK Retailer: RDNA4 may stick to PCIe 4.0Ă—16
AMD Radeon RX 9070 specs listed by UK Retailer: RDNA4 may stick to PCIe 4.0x16 - VideoCardz.com
AMD RX 9070 Specs from OCUK There is reason to believe that the specifications listed by OverclockersUK are neither final nor confirmed by AMD. However, it is unusual for a retailer to publish such specifications unless they are based on semi-official information. According to OCUK, the Radeon...
videocardz.com
Kataploom
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So this is going to be more efficient than 7900 cards? I know it may sound as a given but remember we're in these times where power consumption is going up each gen, and that was very important to me since I don't want a 400w running for 2-5 hours each gaming session.AMD Radeon RX 9070 specs listed by UK Retailer: RDNA4 may stick to PCIe 4.0Ă—16
AMD Radeon RX 9070 specs listed by UK Retailer: RDNA4 may stick to PCIe 4.0x16 - VideoCardz.com
AMD RX 9070 Specs from OCUK There is reason to believe that the specifications listed by OverclockersUK are neither final nor confirmed by AMD. However, it is unusual for a retailer to publish such specifications unless they are based on semi-official information. According to OCUK, the Radeon...
As a reference, the 6700 (non-XT) requires a 600w PSU as well, and 6700 XT requires a 650w PSU.
marjo
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I really hope AMD isn't making the same stupid mistake it has for the last few years.
If price per frame is anywhere near Nvidia, no one will even consider them.
It has to be substantially better (at least 30%) to make any inroads at all. And even that is assuming FSR 4 is comparable to the newest DLSS in terms of image quality.
If price per frame is anywhere near Nvidia, no one will even consider them.
It has to be substantially better (at least 30%) to make any inroads at all. And even that is assuming FSR 4 is comparable to the newest DLSS in terms of image quality.
CrustyBritches
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Hopefully FSR4 will have similar inputs as FSR2/3 so it will be easy to use DLSS-to-FSR mods. There seems to be quite a few of those.
Rocco Schiavone
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Gaiff
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In that since deleted tweet, the poster tells us that RDNA4 is great and to look forward to it. I think he implied better than the leaks suggest, but I don’t 100% remember.![[IMG]](https://i.postimg.cc/nLQv6dJ6/giphy-2024-11-06-T152806-081.gif/[IMG])
Bry0
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He backtracked because he thought the shader count being the same for xt and non-xt wasn’t just a typo. (It almost certainly is)
DenchDeckard
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Yes I have xfx 9070 xt and xfx 9070.
9070 looks really plain and great for those wanting a none offensive looking card. The XT looks ok but has an interesting design with removable fins that I guess you can change to different colours or whatever.
I had heard a rumour on the Internet that launch is planned for 23rd of January but who knows if that's true......
Corporal.Hicks
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They havent tested PT. If they would test PT even the RTX4070tiS would double the performance of RX9070 XT, especially in BMW.Why people listen to this sh*thole is beyond me.
Relevant bits:
The reviewer is now sharing two benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth: Wukong. Both games are considered NVIDIA-optimized, with Cyberpunk 2077 often regarded as a graphics technology demo for NVIDIA. This game was even showcased at CES 2025 to demonstrate DLSS 4 technology.
The alleged Radeon RX 9070 XT, or XXXX XT as described in the posts, reportedly trades blows with the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER in these games. The card appears to deliver strong performance across all three tested resolutions: 4K, 2K, and 1080p.
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llien
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Why double? There is about 10% perf gap at RT between 7900XTX and 4070 Ti Super in TPU benchmarks.
Oh, I didn't realize gaming in BMW was a thing:
not sure why, but in BMW it might be different.
Perhaps due to thermal naturalistic radium and terraformers expected in 5000 series?
Is BMW also getting NV chips with Unstable Diffusors (which are, obviously, vastly superior to dated stable crap in AMD cards)?
Bojji
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Why double? There is about 10% perf gap at RT between 7900XTX and 4070 Ti Super in TPU benchmarks.
Oh, I didn't realize gaming in BMW was a thing:
not sure why, but in BMW it might be different.
Perhaps due to thermal naturalistic radium and terraformers expected in 5000 series?
Is BMW also getting NV chips with Unstable Diffusors (which are, obviously, vastly superior to dated stable crap in AMD cards)?
Tpu don't have any path traced game tested. This is where AMD shits the bed.
llien
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You mean things like Quake RT?
How may of those even exists?
Is there a single non-green sponsored game of that kind, cough?
It would be shocking if NV developed code would run as well on the competitor's hardware, given NV's, cough, "rich" background.
Corporal.Hicks
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Very funny, but you know very well that BMW is short for "Black Myth Wukong".Why double? There is about 10% perf gap at RT between 7900XTX and 4070 Ti Super in TPU benchmarks.
Oh, I didn't realize gaming in BMW was a thing:
not sure why, but in BMW it might be different.
Perhaps due to thermal naturalistic radium and terraformers expected in 5000 series?
Is BMW also getting NV chips with Unstable Diffusors (which are, obviously, vastly superior to dated stable crap in AMD cards)?
The 7900XTX was already comparable to the RTX4080 in quite a number of games, sometimes even in RT, but in PT (especially in Black Myth Wukong) there was a massive difference (up to 3x times), and I doubt that AMD has improved PT performance in any meaningful way, otherwise this leaker would show people PT results instead of hiding them.
llien
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I'll set aside "and it matters because".
So "path traced games" huh:
Came across this thread:
www.neogaf.com
So the "2 times faster" (bizarre category of games aside) is based on 6000 vs 3000 series, even though we know that AMD bumps RT gimmick perf substantially every gen. I could not find benches, besides youtubers. So, 7900XTX easily beats 3080 at Quake RTX, right?
And to this misinformed statement, I bet many think along these lines:
While Vulkan is "open source" (well, it's a standard, doh, there is no "source" behind it but obviously "it's not NV's propriatery crap" was meant) and while "path tracing" is used there.... a lot of stuff is happening on good old shaders.
The code that runs there is, wait for it, very very vendor heavy.
And when something is vendor heavy, you can get into this situation, even though 4090 has more power, 7900XTX edges it:
So "path traced games" huh:
Came across this thread:
Analysis - Quake 2 RTX Vulkan Ray Tracing/Path Tracing Benchmarks. RTX 3080 vs. RX 6800 XT.
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-rx-6800-xt-vulkan-ray-tracing/ Another great showing for RTX in Path Tracing performance. 6800 XT is performing worse than last gen 2018 RTX cards in Path Tracing benchmarks such as Quake II RTX.
So the "2 times faster" (bizarre category of games aside) is based on 6000 vs 3000 series, even though we know that AMD bumps RT gimmick perf substantially every gen. I could not find benches, besides youtubers. So, 7900XTX easily beats 3080 at Quake RTX, right?
And to this misinformed statement, I bet many think along these lines:
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While Vulkan is "open source" (well, it's a standard, doh, there is no "source" behind it but obviously "it's not NV's propriatery crap" was meant) and while "path tracing" is used there.... a lot of stuff is happening on good old shaders.
The code that runs there is, wait for it, very very vendor heavy.
And when something is vendor heavy, you can get into this situation, even though 4090 has more power, 7900XTX edges it:
llien
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Thanks.
I'll remember that (seriously, didn't know)
Sorry. 7900XTX is quite ahead of 4080 is most games:
At RT games checked by TPU (which include crap like Control, but that beside the point), at 4k 4080 was about 15% ahead on average.
Sorry, I'm not sure what it means.
So BMW, which is, thanks for pointing it out, not Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft, but a new demanding game from 2024, a sort of new 'Crysis", that runs at shockingly low FPS even on the fastest of the last gen cards, even without RT or whatever...
... has "PT mode"? What does it do?
How do you explain "PT performance" to yourself? Are there specialized "PT cores", not to be confused with "RT cores"?
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Corporal.Hicks
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Raster performance based on 25 games tested, both the RX79000XTX and 4080S offers literally the same performance. My OC'ed 4080S (59.9TF, 820GB/s memory bandwidth) would probably get 100fps in this techpowerup testThanks.
I'll remember that (seriously, didn't know)
Sorry. 7900XTX is quite ahead of 4080 is most games:
At RT games checked by TPU (which include crap like Control, but that beside the point), at 4k 4080 was about 15% ahead on average.
Sorry, I'm not sure what it means.
So BMW, which is, thanks for pointing it out, not Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft, but a new demanding game from 2024, a sort of new 'Crysis", that runs at shockingly low FPS even on the fastest of the last gen cards, even without RT or whatever...
... has "PT mode"? What does it do?
How do you explain "PT performance" to yourself? Are there specialized "PT cores", not to be confused with "RT cores"?
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In RT 7900XTX is 22% slower and that's not even showing the full picture, because in the most demanding RT games (like the witcher 3) that difference is much bigger, and in PT games in particular (like black myth wukong) AMD card is 3x times slower
Based on the leaked benchmarks, it seems that the RX 9070XT can finally close the gap in light RT workloads, but heavy RT games and especially PT will probably still favour the Nvidia card. The RX9700XT would need to be 3x faster in Path Tracing compared to 7900XTX to finally match the RTX4080S results in Black Myth Wukong.
And BTW. people who bought RTX4080/S can use AI to improve image quality and framerate. The combination on DLDSR + DLSS Performance absolutely destroys TAA native when it comes to image quality and you still get massive big performance boost compared to native TAA, so in practice the RTX7900XTX offers noticeably worse performance in both raster and RT
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llien
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No, but if it makes you feel better - yes.
You have been triggered by a side note, cough.
Context?
Bojji
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Cyberpunk has PT mode, Alan wake 2 has PT mode, black myth wukong has PT mode and Indiana Jones has PT mode. Plus Portal RTX and Quake you mentioned.
You are playing dumb but you obviously know about this.
In PT modes AMD performance can be few times slower than Nvidia. Benches you showed are using standard hybrid RT. This is PT:
We don't know how much better RDNA4 is in PT vs older architectures.
TheRedRiders
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Wouldn't this just be teething issues?huh?
