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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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so...is it badly directed? or just a bad film? if the latter, the true culprits:

Writing Credits
Chris Terrio ... (written by) and
David S. Goyer ... (written by)

David Goyer is likely faultless for the final product. His script was re-written by Terrio. Affleck wouldn't do it unless it was a Terrio script. Goyer still gets credit, regardless, because he's the original writer.
 

213372bu

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No, but if this means that we can get more DC characters on the big screen, then great. The more, the better.

I'd rather wait, however long that might be, for a different take on each and every one of the heroes than have every movie be dark and moody for the sake of being Anti-Marvel.

Especially when it comes at the expense of the heroes AND the "universe".
 

Darkangel

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So what's the general consensus on this compared to Man of Steel? Man of Steel was one of my favourite superhero movies partly due to the fantastic action sequences.

Are people hating on this because it's a terrible movie (ala Catwoman?) or because it's Snyder's dark sequel to Man of Steel?
 
No, but if this means that we can get more DC characters on the big screen, then great. The more, the better.

A poor film deserves poor numbers. I don't want more DC characters if they'll be molded by a box-office hit that is terrible. It's as simple as that.
 

PBY

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So what's the general consensus on this compared to Man of Steel? Man of Steel was one of my favourite superhero movies partly due to the fantastic action sequences.

Are people hating on this because it's a terrible movie (ala Catwoman?) or because it's Snyder's dark sequel to Man of Steel?
That last paragraph doesn't make sense. But you'll prob like this from the reviews.
 

KalBalboa

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Man, it's a genuine bummer to see so much distaste for the movie. I'm hoping to find some silver linings.

Warner Brothers, how on Earth do you keep messing these up?
 

213372bu

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So what's the general consensus on this compared to Man of Steel? Man of Steel was one of my favourite superhero movies partly due to the fantastic action sequences.

Are people hating on this because it's a terrible movie (ala Catwoman?) or because it's Snyder's dark sequel to Man of Steel?

You'll like it if you liked MoS.
 
I thought this film would be received better. I didn't care for MoS and have no intention of seeing this film (although maybe a cheap matinee to see if it's really this poor), but I thought this would be an improvement from how they talked about it in reference to MoS.
 

Theecliff

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hmm i don't think it's going to bomb. maybe the poor critical reception and word of mouth will affect it's 2nd week in the box office but i doubt it'll make a huge dent. might sully it's chances of being one of the highest grossing this year tho


as an aside, i wonder if the critical reception to this might make people wary of suicide squad?
 

jelly

Member
Well so far I read/heard that the editing and pacing of the movie is a hot mess, also it's not clear what the motives on each or most characters are. Some acting parts with Superman and Wonder Woman seem to be wooden, which looks to me that they weren't given good directions.

Probably a bit of both, I don't rate Cavill at all in anything I've seen in him. He fills the suit and that's it which kinda makes sense for the visual director Snyder, nothing else works, a bad long term casting. Haven't seen enough of Gadot except Fast and Furious were she was a robot reading lines, albeit she isn't in them for any length of time, lets see how the WW film does.
 
No, but if this means that we can get more DC characters on the big screen, then great. The more, the better.

I'd rather not have my favorite characters adapted at all over having them done poorly.

For example: Movie Spoiler ahead:
A Batman who kills isn't a Batman at all, he's the punisher, and yes, I know the original Batman killed, but that was early in the character's story and before the writers knew what to do with him, there's a reason why it was all retconned out of existence.
 

Blader

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David Goyer is likely faultless for the final product. His script was re-written by Terrio. Affleck wouldn't do it unless it was a Terrio script. Goyer still gets credit, regardless, because he's the original writer.

Affleck said his and Terrio's involvement were separate deals.
 

Betty

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How is this movie not fun?

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Slaythe

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I have just seen the movie.

I am not saying it was flawless or that it didn't have its fair share of problems.

But IMO the good points outnumbered the bad ones.

Not sure about the awkward conclusion and intro.

But it sure as hell isn't #garbage" and doesn't deserve those god awful reviews.

It definitely has to be seen.
 

Darkangel

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That last paragraph doesn't make sense. But you'll prob like this from the reviews.

There are certain people who just flat out refuse to accept the concept of a dark/serious/"mature" Batman and Superman movie. They've hated the style from the get-go, and will probably never be swayed the other way.

Basically, will someone who likes the current grimdark DC direction walk away satisfied with this movie?
 

TheFuzz

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For those who have seen it, I have some genuine questions. I'll preface it by saying my main reason for seeing this is Batman. I don't care how he's interpreted, I love each incarnation of the character and seeing different interpretations. Don't really care about Supes..

1) is it worth seeing as a huge Batman fan?
2) are the action scenes decent?
3) is it laughably bad in your opinion, or just messy?

TIA.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Anyone hoping that this bombs hard so that Snyder is taken off the future movies? Or even a complete reboot?

I'm hoping it bombs if it means the end of Snyder directing anymore DC movies. I'm just a bit worried that the big wigs at WB are stubborn with their director choices.

I would've never thought that my hype for a new Batman movie would literally be in the negatives on the hype scale after the Nolan movies.
 
No, but if this means that we can get more DC characters on the big screen, then great. The more, the better.

So that's what this is all about: seeing comic characters on screen? You don't care if their movies are ass and/or if their characterizations are horrible, as long as some actor is wearing the appropriately colored spandex is on screen, that's all you need to be happy?

I'd rather not have my favorite characters adapted at all over having them done poorly.

You said it better than I did!
 

Riposte

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The way people treat Rotten Tomatoes scores is weird to me. Doesn't this mainly mean that a little less than half of reviewers liked it (maybe like it a lot even). If you generally agree with the positive reviewers doesn't it mean the chances of you liking it are pretty high? Is a good movie one everyone likes, independent of how much they liked it?

I say this as someone who won't be seeing the movie in theaters since it always rubbed me the wrong way.
 
The way people treat Rotten Tomatoes scores is weird to me. Doesn't this mainly mean that a little less than half of reviewers liked it (maybe like it a lot even). If you generally agree with the positive reviewers doesn't it mean the chances of you liking it are pretty high? Is a good movie one everyone likes, independent of how much they liked it?

I say this as someone who won't be seeing the movie in theaters since it always rubbed me the wrong way.
Metacritic is super low too though
 

PBY

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There are certain people who just flat out refuse to accept the concept of a dark/serious/"mature" Batman and Superman movie. They've hated the style from the get-go, and will probably never be swayed the other way.

Basically, will someone who likes the current grimdark DC direction walk away satisfied with this movie?
Nolans universe was dark and it was critically acclaimed. That's not why it's being panned.
 
The way people treat Rotten Tomatoes scores is weird to me. Doesn't this mainly mean that a little less than half of reviewers liked it (maybe like it a lot even). If you generally agree with the positive reviewers doesn't it mean the chances of you liking it are pretty high? Is a good movie one everyone likes, independent of how much they liked it?

I say this as someone who won't be seeing the movie in theaters since it always rubbed me the wrong way.

I guess some people see the percentage as the end-all-be-all, when really all it says to me is that a middling score means a divisive film. You have to dig deeper to find out exactly what they are saying about it, to see if it aligns with your tastes or expectations. Really, a movie this big that scores like this, I can't put much stock into the reviews and I need to see it for myself.
 
There are certain people who just flat out refuse to accept the concept of a dark/serious/"mature" Batman and Superman movie. They've hated the style from the get-go, and will probably never be swayed the other way.

Basically, will someone who likes the current grimdark DC direction walk away satisfied with this movie?

Are we in some alternate universe where the Nolan films never got made?
 

Blade30

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I have just seen the movie.

I am not saying it was flawless or that it didn't have its fair share of problems.

But IMO the good points outnumbered the bad ones.

Not sure about the awkward conclusion and intro.

But it sure as hell isn't #garbage" and doesn't deserve those god awful reviews.


It definitely has to be seen.

I'm not expecting it to be garbage, but just an ok movie instead of great, similar to MoS.
 

213372bu

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But if you thought mos wavered from a c- to b where will you stand?

I know somebody already answered you, but from what I've heard from all the GAF impressions and all the reviews I read, you'll be more siding with the reviewers.

This isn't considered spoilers so I'll just say it: It's looking a lot more broodier and has some really weird dream sequences that just pop up and are never mentioned, most likely just as a reference for the new Justice League movie.

A lot of stuff I've read made me think this is MoS^2
 

jph139

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Ideal situation is that it underperforms enough that WB dumps Snyder and Goyer and shifts gears a bit for Justice League, but is still successful enough for them to push ahead with the DCEU in general.

Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, from what little we've seen, look decent-to-good. Batfleck looks good. Other than Superman's corner, I don't think the broth's been spoiled enough to drag down the entire franchise.
 

Alexandre

Banned
That was just brutal....

I have my tickets ready to go with my GF today 8:50PM to watch the pre-release


But those reviews almost made me just sell the tickets to someone at the theater...


But then again, at least Batffleck is good so perhaps I will follow Jeremy advice and drink with her before going right?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC4rt7K8fPY
 
God damn it, I knew this movie would be bad. I just knew it, but I bought tickets anyway. If this turns out as bad as the reviews make it seem, then it will be next to impossible to get my girlfriend to see another comic book movie.
 

LiK

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God damn it, I knew this movie would be bad. I just knew it, but I bought tickets anyway. If this turns out as bad as the reviews make it seem, then it will be next to impossible to get my girlfriend to see another comic book movie.

Sell those tickets and get her to watch Civil War instead ;)
 

NumberTwo

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Nolans universe was dark and it was critically acclaimed. That's not why it's being panned.
It is partially why it's getting panned, though. That is, trying to attribute a tone that is appropriate for one character (Batman) and applying it where it is simply at odds with the core aspects of another (Superman).
 
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