Its way more than gaas, sony had very succesful gaas games like gt7 and hd2, concord bombed superhard coz its combo of gaas, 0 innovation 5vs5 arena shooter and super woke agenda, on top many other terrible thiings.
Should I be grateful that Sony didn’t shut Asobi as well?Meanwhile this was up just today.
I love the unique personality that the gunplay of the first KZ had as opposed to the more CoD trending chase of the second and third. Yes, the campaign is rushed by the end and the end game is not very well thought but then again, neither sequels solved that problem.
It was sarcasm.
The CGI trailer was only better in some aspects like IQ but quite a bit of things in the actual game were better. The trailer was barren looking back on it. KZ3 looked even better than KZ2 also and really pushed the PS3.
If you wana argue about atmosphere and art direction then yea of course, but technically it's not even close.
Go back and watch that trailer. Technically it isn't doing much. Less geometry, things are barren, textures are worse. It's cleaner and has a bit better lighting, but it doesn't impress as much as the final game.
What the fuck are you even talking about? First of all, Japan Studio's Internal Development Department was ""closed down"" (not really) in favor of expanding Team Asobi into its own department (thus, making it its replacement).
I accept your concession.Grats, you are my first.
Herman is to busy fantasizing about Alloy all day to even think about bringing back Killzone my friend.Weird, Killzone 2 is Herman's game, Concord isnt.
Edit:
Amazing how good Killzone 2 still looks.
But I remember a lot of people complaining about it's drab colors.
Anyway, I want another Killzone.
Where is Herman when you need him?
Yeah it's insane.Still got some KZ Haters out there from 2009 I see. Btw, anyone who did not play this game on Elite also missed out on some of the best flanking AI in gaming. The game was legit fair and hard at the same time.
Well.. to you.
Eh.. in this Thread it's you,
Gaiff
and
rodrigolfp
, the notorious trifecta known for their unbiased opinions on certain games..Looked more like some were upset by
Fahdis
message, giving birth to this debate as a consequence.
Don't know what you're on. Most people don't give a shit about Killzone 2 and it's simply another shooter to them. It's not up there with Half-Life/2, DOOM, Halo, or those considered the absolute pinnacle of shooting games.
Ah here come the gifs, I think Killzone 2 was the OG *posts 500 gifs to show how awesome it looks* then blow it up on the big screen where it looks much, much worse thanks to the extremely soft IQ.Well.. to you.
And the sound design and mix... on the Kuro + Home Theatre, there wasn't a single person whose head didn't explode when we were showcasing the game. Felt like you actually were at war in a believable, gritty future.
Amazing times.
Opinion: Killzone 2 has the best gun feedback in any game released since last gen
Just rewatching some of the old Killzone 2 videos reminded me that for the last few years nothing released in the shooter category has ecplised the gunplay of Killzone 2. What constitutes satisfying gunplay in my eyes is it should have excellent Weapon feedback - every bullet should feel...www.neogaf.com
Nah.. game-feel was entirely different once changed in the sequel and, for most people, for the worse. Game released after MW, nobody would have spent years on its MP if the game didn't feel amazing to play. Unique, but amazing.
Eh.. in this Thread it's you,
A few dissonant voices won't change what's the Killzone 2 general and widespread gaming history opinion I'm afraid.
Looked more like some were upset by
The Killzone has never been topped part is especially crazy talk. No one considers Killzone 2 the best fps of all time lol. Just google it and it never makes the top 5, 10, or even 25. It's always the usual suspects: Half-Life/2, Halo/2/3, Goldeneye, Bioshock, DOOM/2016, CS, Quake, COD, Battlefield. Killzone is not part of the fps canon and aficionados don't give a shit about it.
I don't question at all it is in your PCMR circles. Outside of those it's yours that's the minority though.
This was the first console game without aliasing.. featured the best IQ outside of PC for ages.
Literally a second search:
Google "Best FPS of all time," and get back to me on how often Killzone 2 comes up in the top 5, 10, or 20. I have looked and haven't found none in the first few pages, but sure, one random guy on youtube saying it sure proves your point.
Because it had vaseline over the entire image, if that's what you call good IQ then I dno what to tell you. There were native 1080p games that gen and lots of 720p with 4xMSAA which looked far superior IQ wise. Killzone 2 used quincunx AA which blurred the entire screen in the strive to quell aliasing, it wasn't a worthy tradeoff. But then again it's a fuck load cheaper than MSAA which allowed them to push those impressive effects. It looked very good for the time no doubt, but the IQ always sucked big time.I don't question at all it is in your PCMR circles. Outside of those it's yours that's the minority though.
This was the first console game without aliasing.. featured the best IQ outside of PC for ages.
Next to no one would call Killzone 2 the best FPS of all time, except for a few forum evangelicals. Oh and a nutty youtuber it seems
Halo doesn't deserve to even be mentioned in that sentence. There were better shooters on PC in 2001.
Yep, but Halo is the quintessential console shooter (after Goldeneye at least) and like it or not, it had a lot of influence.
Halo CE was incredible at the time, especially for a console FPS. The story, characters and world were all top notch and captured millions, hence it's insane success.
For console.
Yup. But none of the stuff I mentioned gets erased on the PC version. Sure PC shooters of the time played better, but not many of them had such a rich and memorable story/world, not to mention the soundtrack. Halo CE was a big deal, console or not.
KZ2 reboot. Rico dies in the opening credits. Weapon system of the first game. Actual good end game. The plot doesn’t end in the good guys being genocides. Décima engine at full throttle. TLoU dethroned as the most GOTY’ed ever.
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It's like conversing with an edgy teenager, grow up bro.
I stand by it. Cry moar. Oh no, btw. Most KZ2 Salt Eaters have the same crap excuses.
"Oh, its not even in the top 10 games ever. The image IQ was too soft. The game had too much input lag. The game was too gray. The soldiers swore too much. There was too much gore." Like make up your mind already. Its 2024.
No one gives a shit about your idea of mass appeal or my hyperbole for a game. Its the cult classics that truly live on in your mind and has a dedicated fanbase till this day. Let me name you other shit I enjoyed that others didn't; The Order 1886, Driveclub, Hellblade II.
I remember when KZ2 came out it caused such an uproar just because it was breaking people's minds and insecurities in 2009. Those who didn't like it mostly sucked at the game or genuinely didn't like the narrative but the gritty war has not been done better ever. I played all the precious shit you're talking about, we have different tastes, now stop crying about it.
You guys need to be "re-educated"
I'd take that any day over what the insane aliasing of games from the 360/PS3 gen was providing us with:
I like Killzone 2 enough. I just think "it hasn’t been topped" is an asinine statement because it wasn’t even the top shooter when it came out and sure as shit isn’t now.
I stand by it. Cry moar. Oh no, btw. Most KZ2 Salt Eaters have the same crap excuses.
"Oh, its not even in the top 10 games ever. The image IQ was too soft. The game had too much input lag. The game was too gray. The soldiers swore too much. There was too much gore." Like make up your mind already. Its 2024.
No one gives a shit about your idea of mass appeal or my hyperbole for a game. Its the cult classics that truly live on in your mind and has a dedicated fanbase till this day. Let me name you other shit I enjoyed that others didn't; The Order 1886, Driveclub, Hellblade II.
I remember when KZ2 came out it caused such an uproar just because it was breaking people's minds and insecurities in 2009. Those who didn't like it mostly sucked at the game or genuinely didn't like the narrative but the gritty war has not been done better ever. I played all the precious shit you're talking about, we have different tastes, now stop crying about it.
You guys need to be "re-educated"
It is indeed, but other things as well. I wouldn't bother any longer though as this ain't a good faith discussion.
It is indeed, but other things as well. I wouldn't bother any longer though as this ain't a good faith discussion.
Imagine feeling the need to downplay/dismiss people claiming a 15 years old game like KZ2 is one of the best FPS of all time, thinking you can pass as an unbiased person at the same time.
True or not the game is beloved to this day, despite being a non retrocompatibile game locked on a single console, because had it all: a perfectly designed, lenghty, challenging and varied campaign along with what's one of the absolute highest quality MP I've ever played, unique game feel for every weapon, incredibly satisfying shooting, smart AI, unparalleled atmosphere, superb environmental interaction, phenomenal audio, immaculate art direction/visuals..
It's the kind of game that, in other circumstances, would unite everyone in glowing praise, and still mostly does somehow.
. Absolutely bonkers. We were spoiled.
Just because a game is older doesn't mean it cannot be criticised, and the things I'm mentioning today I criticised back then too. It's a mixed bag, some great elements like atmosphere, effects and grit, but bad ones too like input latency and story.
Whining about input latency =/= skill issue. When you're used to PC levels of latency, playing Killzone 2 was like going from Seinfeld to Friends.
Now that we can agree on lmao.
