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[Dahbomb]

Are people here really trying to say Justin's team is not top tier? He has the second best point character with it's best assist & one of the best dhcs & thcs in the game.

It's a factual statement that Justin's team is not top tier.

Any team that does not have Vergil anchor is automatically not top tier. About 60% of top tier teams have Doom on them as well. The rest of the teams either have Dante support instead of Doom or Strider/Phoenix as anchor. Justin's team has none of those characters and thus cannot be even close to that tier.

 

[Infinite]

If justin is talking about not relying on Doom, Zero, Vergil, but instead simply putting great pieces that work well together (team nemo, his team, etc.) then yeah I agree he put people on notice with that

 

[Ragingnight]

Ugh, I still really want that Dizzy figure. If only the Rachel one looked as nice, then I'd want both.

They also have Dizzy's alt color too.

Spoiler

I want both

Edit: IIRC, the DIzzy one did sell out. Alter did a reprint. (this is to the convo way way back)

dizzy can actually be bought a lot cheaper than before, but the downside is that it is secondhand. Most japanese (99%) take good care of it and theres almost no issue regarding the actual figure.

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?scode=FIG-MOE-2365-R158
unopened 80bucks (before shipping which is probably 20 bucks more for sal (2-3 weeks/tracking) and 30 ems (3-7 days/tracking))

http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/en/item_s-1388937.html
75 bucks before shipping but EMS only.

Both shops are reliable and authentic if you want dizzy. This is the cheapest dizzy will ever get +/- 5-10 bucks. I bought mine a year back from a gaffer for 90 total but theres a slight scratch on the tail.

 

[Zissou]

has anyone done a tier list for common marvel teams? seems like it would be a cool thing to do as a tier list comprised of individual characters doesnt really give you the whole picture.

Viscant did one a little while back. Only way to tier in marvel, really.

 

[Dahbomb]

If justin is talking about not relying on Doom, Zero, Vergil, but instead simply putting great pieces that work well together (team nemo, his team, etc.) then yeah I agree he put people on notice with that

That's basically what he's saying.

 

[Sheroking]

Marvel 3 has always been a bit more diverse than it gets credit for. It doesn't help to juxtapose it to SF4 which is maybe the GOAT of character diversity at high level.

If you consider the top-6 in the world to be Justin, Chris, Champ, Rog, Flocker and Apologyman you have 11 unique characters appearing regularly (Wolverine, Storm, Akuma, Morrigan, Doom, Vergil, Magneto, Phoenix, Dormammu, Zero, Hawkeye). If you include names like Nemo, Ray Ray and Clockwork you get characters like Nova, Strange, Spencer, Sentinel and Strider.

Which doesn't even include the rare side characters these players have that they have broken out in tournament over the last year or so (Iron Fist, Ghost Rider, Wesker, ect).

 

[Deckard Cain]

It's a factual statement that Justin's team is not top tier.

Any team that does not have Vergil anchor is automatically not top tier. About 60% of top tier teams have Doom on them as well.

That's a load of crap. Team Synergy makes top tier teams, not the individual characters. You trying to tell me a team like Morrigan/Zero/Vergil is higher tier than Justin's team? You're nuts.

 

[Dahbomb]

You can't compare it to SF4 because it's a 1v1 fighter that has been updated like 5 times.

 

[Sheroking]

That's a load of crap. Team Synergy makes top tier teams, not the individual characters. You trying to tell me a team like Morrigan/Zero/Vergil is higher tier than Justin's team? You're nuts.

Hilarious.

If you change the order of that a little bit (Zero/Morrigan/Vergil), you get Zero with corner carry (rapid slash) and unlimited meter. You get the best point character in the game and the best anchor in the game.

Yeah, that team is a lot better than Justin's.

You can't compare it to SF4 because it's a 1v1 fighter that has been updated like 5 times.

It's not about a direct comparison, it's about watching the two most popular games in the FGC and coming to the conclusion that one is far more "same old, same old" than the other.

 

[Zissou]

That's a load of crap. Team Synergy makes top tier teams, not the individual characters. You trying to tell me a team like Morrigan/Zero/Vergil is higher tier than Justin's team? You're nuts.

This is a straw man. Nobody is saying anything about playing teams without legit synergy.

edit: also what Sheroking said

 

[Karsticles]

Hilarious.

If you change the order of that a little bit (Zero/Morrigan/Vergil), you get Zero with corner carry (rapid slash) and unlimited meter. You get the best point character in the game and the best anchor in the game.

Yeah, that team is a lot better than Justin's.

Better to put Morrigan on Shadow Blade in that team.

 

[Zissou]

Better to put Morrigan on Shadow Blade in that team.

Why? Zero with infinite sougenmu has pretty ridiculous zoning.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Hilarious.

If you change the order of that a little bit (Zero/Morrigan/Vergil), you get Zero with corner carry (rapid slash) and unlimited meter. You get the best point character in the game and the best anchor in the game.

Yeah, that team is a lot better than Justin's.

Exactly what I was thinking, lol.

 

[enzo_gt]

That's a really good idea, i'd love to see that.

Or they could clone Chris G for a 5v5 between Chris Gs and other players

It happened already, at Seasons Beatings.

And yes, it is still the best Marvel 3 anything to this date.

 

[Ragingnight]

Why? Zero with infinite sougenmu has pretty ridiculous zoning.

its definitely not infinite or even close. Having the dp means you get a safe way in with astra vision for 2 meters, if it hits and you want to get a kill you can kill from the dp if you have the meter.

 

[Dahbomb]

That's a load of crap. Team Synergy makes top tier teams, not the individual characters. You trying to tell me a team like Morrigan/Zero/Vergil is higher tier than Justin's team? You're nuts.

No I am saying the following teams are higher tier than Justin's team:

Any Morrigan/Doom team with a good anchor/support (place Strider, Dante or Vergil at the back)
Any Doom/Vergil team with a good point (Wolverine, Magneto, Morrigan, Nova, Spencer etc)
Any Viper/Strider team with a good secondary (Doom, Vergil, Dante)
Any Nova/Spencer team with a good horizontal assist (Taskmaster, Hawkeye, Strange, Doom)
Any Zero/Dante team with a good anchor (Strider, Vergil, Doom, Phoenix)


And so on and so on. Justin's team isn't even the best Wolverine + Akuma team, Wolverine/Dante/Akuma is far superior to Justin's team as is Wolverine/Doom/Akuma.


The funny thing is that the random ass team you listed is also in fact better than Justin's team. Zero with Dark Harmonizer and Vergil anchor at the back? That's already a much cheaper toolset that what Justin has.

 

[jbug617]

Man Storm's super does crazy damage. Especially when Justin sets it up and put you in the corner.

 

[Ragingnight]

Man Storm's super does crazy damage. Especially when Justin sets it up and put you in the corner.

it really isn't even if you mash. Its just a normal super damage. It does massive damage to assist because how the damage is calculated to assist

 

[Deckard Cain]

No I am saying the following teams are higher tier than Justin's team:

Any Morrigan/Doom team with a good anchor/support (place Strider, Dante or Vergil at the back)
Any Doom/Vergil team with a good point (Wolverine, Magneto, Morrigan, Nova, Spencer etc)
Any Viper/Strider team with a good secondary (Doom, Vergil, Dante)
Any Nova/Spencer team with a good horizontal assist (Taskmaster, Hawkeye, Strange, Doom)
Any Zero/Dante team with a good anchor (Strider, Vergil, Doom, Phoenix)


And so on and so on. Justin's team isn't even the best Wolverine + Akuma team, Wolverine/Dante/Akuma is far superior to
Justin's team.

And you are wrong. Justin said before his team is top tier himself. It is the best Wolverine team, the optimal team for one of the best characters in the game.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

It also does more damage to an assist if the point character is blocking or push blocking

 

[Karsticles]

Why? Zero with infinite sougenmu has pretty ridiculous zoning.

Easy to convert off of, great in the neutral, high priority, little to no HSD.

The meter gain is good, but it can't be maintained. Now, Dark Harmonizer can give you permanent Devil Trigger.

 

[Dahbomb]

And you are wrong. Justin said before his team is top tier himself. It is the best Wolverine team, the optimal team for one of the best characters in the game.

Give evidence of Justin saying his team is top tier in Ultimate or him even saying it's the best/most optimal Wolverine team.

 

[SloaneRisette]

It happened already, at Seasons Beatings.

And yes, it is still the best Marvel 3 anything to this date.

I dunno, the Chris G vs F. Champ FT10 is probably one of my favorite things ever in terms of fighting games.

Up until Champ cracked, that shit was THE BEST

 

[WesternHeretic]

Man Storm's super does crazy damage. Especially when Justin sets it up and put you in the corner.

You mean his 800k ~900k damage off like 2 meters? Crazy damage is Zero or Spencer, or Doom/Magnus into Vergil (because they don't use a freaking ground bounce or wall bounce! LIKE WTF

 

[Zissou]

It also does more damage to an assist if the point character is blocking or push blocking

It was like this in vanilla, but it is no longer like this in ultimate.

 

[Deckard Cain]

Plus he wins majors & EVO with it while you run around thinking it's not top tier. Oh? Now results don't matter? Justin does not play low tier. Look at every game he ever played. The team is a Top 10 team free. Top 10 out of like 3 million is top tier.

 

[Seyavesh]

lol

also this snake eyez interview is fucking hilarious on levelup

 

[Dahbomb]

Plus he wins majors & EVO with it while you run around thinking it's not top tier. Oh? Now results don't matter? Justin does not play low tier. Look at every game he ever played. The team is a Top 10 team free. Top 10 out of like 3 million is top tier.

He wins majors and EVO because he is godlike as a player not because his team is top tier. Please learn to differentiate player ability from team strength. He's won a major with Vergil/Spencer/Frank, you are going to tell me that team is top tier too?

Top 10 team? Don't make me laugh. Actually too late because I think this is a bigger troll than your driving while surfing post.

 

[Zissou]

Plus he wins majors & EVO with it while you run around thinking it's not top tier. Oh? Now results don't matter? Justin does not play low tier. Look at every game he ever played. The team is a Top 10 team free. Top 10 out of like 3 million is top tier.

There are definitely more than 10 teams that are better than Justin's. Justin's team was also probably weakest in the EVO top 8 (aside from Jan's).

 

[WesternHeretic]

There are definitely more than 10 teams that are better than Justin's. Justin's team was also probably weakest in the EVO top 8 (aside from Jan's).

Lets be honest here I can name 10 different Zero teams that are better than Justin's team.

WATCH ME

Zero/Dante/Vergil
Zero/Doom/Dante
Zero/Doom/Vergil
Zero/Vergil/Hiryu
Zero/Dante/Hiryu
Zero/Doom/Hiryu
Mag/Zero/Doom
Mag/Zero/Dante
Zero/Strange/Dante
Zero/Vergil/Ammy

Oh yea that Zero/Vergil/Haweye team that won EVO too!

 

[El Sloth]

https://twitter.com/Tsuntenshi/status/489606629554270208

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[irfaanator]

https://twitter.com/Tsuntenshi/status/489606629554270208

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wut.

also vanilla sagat is super dope

 

[Dahbomb]

I can name 30 teams better than Justin's team absolutely free.

 

[Mr. X]

Look up Buckethead from Texas Showdown. I think he had Zero/Morrigan/Dante though but the Zero/Morrigan duo was a bit crazy, especially with the execution to covert off an Alpha Counter Shadow Blade.

 

[petghost]

https://twitter.com/Tsuntenshi/status/489606629554270208

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seriously though youtube/mainstream videogame site comments on evo stuff make me wanna die.

 

[Dahbomb]

Look up Buckethead from Texas Showdown. I think he had Zero/Morrigan/Dante though but the Zero/Morrigan duo was a bit crazy, especially with the execution to covert off an Alpha Counter Shadow Blade.

It was Doom on that team but many people consider Zero/Morrigan/Dante to be an extremely strong team too.

There's one guy at my local who thinks it's top 3 team in the game free.

 

[Sheroking]

I remember him responding to the calls to pick top tiers by saying his team was good and he could win with it. I don't remember him claiming it was the best Wolverine team or that it was top tier.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I heard him address the question once on stream where he said Pr Balrog's team was the best Wolverine team (which it clearly is).

If there is one way Justin's team is top tier, it's with that brutal team super. His team is still not meter positive though, as Wolverine needs meter to kill and Akuma and Storm need meter to function - so it's probably well behind even the Nemo stuff.

 

[Anth0ny]

http://joebushido.deviantart.com/art/VanillaSagat-468577926

holy shit this is a thing

dying

2011 top 8 Marvel 3 was the worst one and it was only saved because it had that absurd PRRog Tron comeback/LVL3 against Phoenix.

2/3 matches, sloppy play and just general Viscant domination over most of his opponents. Most matches were a blow up.

I used to think 2011 Marvel 3 top 8 was great back in 2011 but after seeing all the UMVC3 top 8s it just doesn't compare. Thank god for 3/5 Marvel.

I think I prefer those insane hype moments over a generally good top 8. Sets like PR Rog vs. Viscant or Daigo vs. Poongko from Evo 2011 and those moments in the sets where the crowd goes insane and the commentators mics go out from the noise are unforgettable and so damn fun to watch. That's what Evo is all about for me. Who can recapture the hype and excitement of the Daigo parry moment?

Don't get me wrong... of course I appreciate high level play, and Evo top 8s almost always deliver there, but there's nothing like a hype as fuck moment in a fighting game.

 

[Seyavesh]

Look up Buckethead from Texas Showdown. I think he had Zero/Morrigan/Dante though but the Zero/Morrigan duo was a bit crazy, especially with the execution to covert off an Alpha Counter Shadow Blade.

he uses zero morrigan doom. he's pretty alright but he's got the worst nerves on the planet

also the wolverine/storm THC does 423.9k mashed out fully

a zero lightning loop does 400-600k depending on variation (the optimal variation is not hard and not that different from others is what i've been told) and builds a third of a meter.
vergil extensions do around 300k if the ground and wallbounce are maintained in addition to whatever damage the super did before. plus they build roughly half a meter after the fact.

storm/wolv THC does a fuckton of damage for a thc, but very little for a DHC when considering optimal damage

here's a thing someone made awhile back that i saved that shows the damage of all the hypers at max scaling+max mashing.
http://pastebin.com/FZJTx8Nt

 

[Infinite]

Zero, Morrigan, Strider is also a good team lol

 

[biosnake20]

Justin's team is not top tier but it's not ass like some people say lol. It's definitely an upper mid tier team, as is almost any team with wolvie/akuma on it.

 

[Dahbomb]

The Wolverine/Storm THC does about the same damage as two Wolverine Fatal Claw loops which means there is no need to do it on a team that provides Wolverine with two solid extenders like Dante/Akuma or Doom/Vergil. And that is the main factor to an optimum Wolverine team.

Storm's assist is trash for Wolverine in both the neutral and as a late combo extender. He has to do the THC out of necessity.


Upper Mid/Low High tier is exactly how I would describe Justin's team.

 

[kasane]

I think im too late to the UMvC3 party

I only ever touched 2 and i have the Vita version

Having a ps3 also doesnt help

 

[MechaX]

Man, catching up on the BBCP grand finals from EVO really wants me to go back and get into BBCP.

Too bad local competition is nonexistent or hidden in my city.

 

[Anth0ny]

not a chance in hell justin's team is the best wolverine team in the game.

that's pr rog's team, free.

justin is just a god and makes that shit work.

 

[QisTopTier]

Man, catching up on the BBCP grand finals from EVO really wants me to go back and get into BBCP.

Too bad local competition is nonexistent or hidden in my city.

That's what online play is good for

 

[Seyavesh]

Storm's assist is trash for Wolverine in both the neutral and as a late combo extender. He has to do the THC out of necessity.

my favorite part about whirlwind assist is that it's mega inconsistent on the throw pickups for wolverine so if he calls akuma and somehow doesn't get the akuma refreshed off a wolverine airthrow (this normally happens because wolverine is a very stupid character) it's basically entirely up to the fates on whether he can convert or not

i have seen him lose so many matches because of that and i laugh so hard every time it happens

 

[Ragingnight]

not a chance in hell justin's team is the best wolverine team in the game.

that's pr rog's team, free.

justin is just a god and makes that shit work.

errr it might be a better team overall but I wouldn't say best wolverine team.

Akuma is just really good. It has some nullify projectile properties and it locks them down for a good amount of time for people to do guess cr. a or instant overhead.

Yes you can do it with Doom but its not nearly as good as akumas.

 

[Sheroking]

The Wolverine/Storm THC does about the same damage as two Wolverine Fatal Claw loops which means there is no need to do it on a team that provides Wolverine with two solid extenders like Dante/Akuma or Doom/Vergil. And that is the main factor to an optimum Wolverine team.

Storm's assist is trash for Wolverine in both the neutral and as a late combo extender. He has to do the THC out of necessity.


Upper Mid/Low High tier is exactly how I would describe Justin's team.

He can get about 600k damage on the end of any combo with the full THC. He'll X-Factor it too, if he wants the character dead and doesn't think the THC will do enough damage.

He'd have to do three fatal claw loops or risk an infinite otherwise, but it doesn't make up for Storm/Akuma in place of Doom/Vergil by any means.

 

[Sheroking]

errr it might be a better team overall but I wouldn't say best wolverine team.

Akuma is just really good. It has some nullify projectile properties and it locks them down for a good amount of time for people to do guess cr. a or instant overhead.

Yes you can do it with Doom but its not nearly as good as akumas.

Plasma is better free.

You have to work for the Akuma lockdown. People just won't block it for you. Plasma gives you a safe full screen neutral with better mix-ups and the same pick-ups/juggles. Also, Vergil with beam is way better than Storm with Tatsu.

You also get access to the best infinite in the game.