sixteen-bit
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Fighting Games Weekly | March 3-9 | Edition Edition
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This mode was never made commercially available was it?
Nabs
Member
Dat preemptive damage control when Morrigan ends up having an absurd win rate... lol.
I agree though... this ends up being more of a popularity tier list than an "objective" tier list. I already took stats for a couple of years and for Vanilla MVC3 you would have She Hulk in top 3 based purely on results. However, what use is this to anyone when it's agree that She Hulk is not even a top 10 character in that game?
Or if you include the time when Justin Wong used Iron Fist in UMVC3 for a couple of months and won like 2 tournaments with him then dropped him later... that would skewer the stats a ton.
I've reached out to SRK to see what the licensing is. The aggregate data isn't worth anything, it's the individual entries that are the real meat of things.
That said, if the raw data is available, it would be a good starting point for something like this.
And, I just got the data. Working on importing it.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Anyone who is against edition select being tournament standard is a scrub. SF will always have top tiers and bad match ups cause that's how the character archtypes are built. Ultra SFIV will have it's Cammy and Akuma. Top Tiers and Top players will still dominate. So who cares if past powerful characters come back? Vanilla SFIV was the funnest version of SF because of how strong everyone was. You guys love Marvel and 3S so much yet you deny SFIV the very thing that makes those games fun and entertaining . The knowledge that the match could turn on it's head instantly from a poor decision or a great one.
Agreed completely on this. It's always been the problem with any kind of tier lists, that the assumptions are fundamentally flawed
In the case of character tier lists, that the two people playing are of equal skill. If that's the case, and they're playing characters with a 5-5 matchup, we'd never see one person win out over another.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It was in ps2 slash
I would say everyone in top 32/16 is close enough in skill level to make it work.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Why do you get to be the one to decide this?
No one is deciding anything. We're having a discussion. You wanna join in? Try to be constructive.
DryEyeRelief
Member
If we base the Oni Chun Li match up on results from last night, it's 5-5 because Wao and Infil were even on rounds despite all that talk about Chun being a counter.
What you're suggesting isn't about objectivity. You're just throwing everything over your shoulder because you don't want to actually address the mechanics involved in the game itself. It's the same reason why gyt makes himself look like a fool most of the time with his stats.
Top players often do well with weak characters though. Anchor Akuma far outnumbers Strider in Marvel for example. There are characters that all players acknowledge as very string but are underplayed for a variety of reasons v
Smug got a mention in a Eurogamer article. It's also a very good article
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-02-street-fighter-anniversary-edition
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-02-street-fighter-anniversary-edition
Karsticles
Member
They really aren't. You would have to admit that Marvel players like JWong and Viscant are on the same level, or SF players like Infiltration and Mike Ross are close. The top 4 are often in a league of their own, which is why Marvel players talk about the "4 gods" of the game.
Plus, not all tournaments are created equal. Top 16 at Evo? Maybe you could argue for a list from that setting. Top 16 at UFGT or another regional major? No way, and definitely not top 32.
It's an ever evolving list. Tournaments aren't stopping any time soon. You could base it just on games won, or on rounds won. You could let the user select which over options are best for them.
Show me the tier list for Top 32 for all tournaments since the start of AE 2012
Show me the tier list for Top 32 for all tournaments in 2013
Show me the tier list for Top 16 for SCR for all years
Show me the tier list for Wednesday Night Fights
Etc etc etc
I don't see how having access to more data is bad thing. This has nothing to do with game mechanics at all.
I just think it would be better to be able to see some hard data for things instead of just some hive mind group think bullshit.
sixteen-bit
Member
Oh okay cool
just checked and slash is literally the only one of the 6 or so GGXX revisions I don't own.
Well current JWong and Viscant haven't been in a top 8 together since I don't know when.
They were together in Vanilla where they actually were on par with each other. What Viscant lacked in fundamental skills he made up with superior knowledge and understanding of the game.
Still placing in top 16s is not a complete indicator of skill. You might make top 16 one tournament and not make it out of pools in another. It all depends on who you face and the match ups.
They were together in Vanilla where they actually were on par with each other. What Viscant lacked in fundamental skills he made up with superior knowledge and understanding of the game.
Still placing in top 16s is not a complete indicator of skill. You might make top 16 one tournament and not make it out of pools in another. It all depends on who you face and the match ups.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Yeah like lists like these aren't going to inspire some hivemind. Lets overlook all those factors vice told you about and make a generalized, broad conclusion. Right or wrong, at least subjective theory fighter is based on independent thought.
Also, if it's not based on the game then what good is it for?
Yep
I think NaCl would be the least of my worries from the rage.
Card Crusher face....
Firebrand hype
I have Firebrand on my C team... Time to be cheap.
The tweet referenced above:
Once a fraud, always a fraud.
Kappa.
Be sure to quote the most prominent posters on here...
A new king of cheese has been crowned. Time for him to lose that now.
Also, someone needs to put eventhubs and SRK on blast. Both websites seriously lack any professionalism. SRK forums are always trash and Eventhubs doesn't even care about the intrusive ads anymore. Might as well start going to FGCNN, offers the best news on the FGC...
Short and biased sample size. (tourney pressure, fatigue, and other factors make it hard to use)
EDIT: Opps, thought you quoted the tweet I sent out, sorry about that.
Perhaps I don't understand what you mean.
I just think it would be really cool to be able to say to myself "I think I'm gonna learn Juri. I wonder how Juri matches up against the rest of the cast. Ok let's see tournament Results for Juri for the past year against M. Bison. Theres 6 matches here... Juri won 4 of those 6 matches at these tournaments. Oh look heres a link to the match videos so I can watch and learn something."
I stopped visiting SRK after the whole Jaxel debacle. I rarely go and read on Eventhubs, used to go to see what new combo videos were made and what streams were up. Now I just go for the streams and I still regret it to this day due to the ads.
I just loaded up AC+ and I'm downloading a 231 MB patch so I'm guessing it's the +R update finally lol.
What the hell is happening here.
People were really hating on him as a person/player. I dislike the latter but geez so much for socal hospitality.
Passive Assassin
Member
alioune sensei~~~
"TWERK, TWERK, TWERK, WHAT YOU WITH TWERKIN WITHHHHHHHHHHHH"
The thing is Homingcancel (for Arcana) of all places has a listing like this on their site- if Arcana can do it, why can't SRK?
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