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The NVIDIA RTX 5070 Ti gaming GPU is expected to be available starting February 20, although whether gamers are going to be able to purchase one anytime soon is a different story entirely. That said, a recent listing on an Austrian retailer's website has revealed the pricing details for the MSI RTX 5070 Ti Gaming Trio card - a cool €1169 (inclusive of 19% VAT), roughly equivalent to $1212. Compared to NVIDIA's official pricing for the RTX 5070 Ti in most parts of the EU, a 33% increase in price can be observed. Of course, the MSI GAMING TRIO is quite a high-end card, but the price delta is quite surprising regardless. Depending on supply, the prices may further inflate, if the events of the RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 launch are repeated.

The RTX 5070 Ti is expected to boast 8690 CUDA cores paired with 16 GB of GDDR7 memory on a 256-bit bus. Recent leaks have hinted at very mediocre performance improvements, similar to what we witnessed with the RTX 5080. As of this writing, there seems to be a decent possibility that the RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT will beat the RTX 5070 family, not just in raster performance, but also in value. Of course, since NVIDIA is clearly going to fire first, gamers will not have much of a choice before RDNA 4 hits the scene. That said if the RTX 5070 series witnesses similarly atrocious availability at launch as its siblings, a lot of folks will have no option but to wait.

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[Unknown?]

Good deal, I'll take three.

 

[NeonDelta]

How much is a 5080 there for comparison?

 

[DenchDeckard]

RTX 5070 has been pushed out. Allocation is so bad on the 5070Ti it is worse than the 5080.

What in the world is up with Nvidia and how do they get away with this stuff. This is why we need decent competition.

 

[SolidQ]

Allocation is so bad on the 5070Ti it is worse than the 5080.

Isn't mlid also was saying stocks for 5070ti is bad?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make PS5 Pro a bargain.

 

[Ozriel]

RTX 5070 has been pushed out. Allocation is so bad on the 5070Ti it is worse than the 5080.

What in the world is up with Nvidia and how do they get away with this stuff. This is why we need decent competition.

During the Pandemic, crypto was the scourge that made GPUs scarce.

Now it’s AI. Not only is Nvidia devoting most of their silicon to making crazy profitable AI chips, but you have folks snatching up 4090 and 5090 GPUs to run LLMs.

The bigger factor of the two is Nvidia’s focus on AI chips. Not sure how this improves in the long term.

 

[Hot5pur]

Building a PC today I would probably focus on 1080P or 1440P gaming and go Intel or AMD.
Nvidia gives zero fucks and are treating the gaming sector as an afterthought, just to maintain its market share, knowing that its got its customers by the balls.
4K PC gaming is a bad value proposition, you are far better off grabbing a console as well.
Part of me hopes that competition in the AI space becomes wild and Nvidia starts focusing on gaming again, but by then hopefully AMD and intel would have cornered a lot of the market. I love what AMD is doing with mobile chips for Deck/other handhelds.

 

[Nankatsu]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make PS5 Pro a bargain.

 

[winjer]

And I thought the mining boom was terrible for GPUs....
We are reaching levels I could have never imagined.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

The cash I saved for the 5090 is just sitting there. Maybe I should just fucking invest it?
This company is such a clown show. SMFH They do clowns a disservice.

 

[hinch7]

Whelp guess I have no chance in getting this. Going against bots and scalpers combined and low stock. Plus retailers and board partners scalping themselves.

 

[Gaiff]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make PS5 Pro a bargain.

If it's still the case when the RTX 5060/Ti hit the shelves, then yes.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

If it's still the case when the RTX 5060/Ti hit the shelves, then yes.

Well year ago I thought my 4080 was kinda bad deal.

Thanks to Nvidia this is now an investment.

 

[RCX]

Fuck right off.

If AMD ever had a shot at making inroads in the GPU market this is it. Solid high(ish) end cards at sub $600 price is a good strategy.

Nvidia have disappeared up their own arseholes. We get it, consumer GPUs are an annoying legacy distraction to them next to their AI business. But do they need to continually piss down our backs while insisting to us that its just rain?

The GPU market is fundamentally broken.

 

[Senua]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make PS5 Pro a bargain.

Nah, it's just making me wanna keep my 3080

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Nah, it's just making me wanna keep my 3080

10gb is a no-go my dude

 

[Brigandier]

GPU market is an absolute train wreck... 4080 supers now selling for £1500 on eBay and marketplaces, 4070ti Supers £800-900.

Glad I got mine when I did as I wouldn't even contemplate these prices.

AMD have a glorious opportunity here... again, Are they finally going to capitalise on Nvidias complacency?????

 

[SmokedMeat]

If AMD’s 9070XT gives a nice upgrade over my 7900XT, they’ve got my money. I won’t even waste my time with Nvidia at this point.

If not I’ll stick with my current card. No need to upgrade, really.

 

[Senua]

10gb is a no-go my dude

I know but I'm not paying these prices, I'll just work around the vram limitations for as long as I can

 

[Aesius]

10gb is a no-go my dude

Lower a few settings then. Everything doesn’t have to be on Ultra, especially when most games look almost the same from Medium to Ultra these days.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Nvidia isn’t in control of what other manufactures do.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Lower a few settings then. Everything doesn’t have to be on Ultra, especially when most games look almost the same from Medium to Ultra these days.

Games are not scaling well VRAM-wise, sadly.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make the PS6 a bargain at $799

FTFY

 

[ShirAhava]

I'm pretending the cards are launching June 2025 and buying one then not playing this game
My 2060 Super is enough to run Lunar and Fatal Fury anyway

 

[Bojji]

RTX 5070 has been pushed out. Allocation is so bad on the 5070Ti it is worse than the 5080.

What in the world is up with Nvidia and how do they get away with this stuff. This is why we need decent competition.

5070ti and 5080 use the same chip so no wonder they want to make more 5080's out of it.

They best card (price/performance) of this generation will not be available for months most likely...

 

[Buggy Loop]

Why would anyone buy that except if you have a lot of money to waste

Wait out the AIB scalper phase, don't give them any money.

I kind of understand 3dfx wanting to get out of AIB shenanigans back then, sucks they belly flopped but I would much prefer a tsunami of reference cards than giving gigabyte, MSI, Asus, etc these fucking blood sucking vampires who aren't even close to MSRP a big middle finger.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

4K PC gaming is a bad value proposition, you are far better off grabbing a console as well.

You can always grab a 3060 Ti and just upscale to 4K like consoles do?

 

[ResilientBanana]

Building a PC today I would probably focus on 1080P or 1440P gaming and go Intel or AMD.
Nvidia gives zero fucks and are treating the gaming sector as an afterthought, just to maintain its market share, knowing that its got its customers by the balls.
4K PC gaming is a bad value proposition, you are far better off grabbing a console as well.
Part of me hopes that competition in the AI space becomes wild and Nvidia starts focusing on gaming again, but by then hopefully AMD and intel would have cornered a lot of the market. I love what AMD is doing with mobile chips for Deck/other handhelds.

People don’t buy PCs to save money.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

That's more than I paid for my 5080

 

[delishcaek]

Prices are retarded again. I could sell my 4070 Ti Super for 900-1000€ on eBay right now... I paid 750€ 10 months ago.

 

[balls of snow]

Well my money is not going anywhere. When stocks are at the suggested retail price, Ill get that 5070ti machine.

 

[analog_future]

This GPU cycle is trying so hard to make PS5 Pro a bargain.

PS5 Pro has always been a good deal for the hardware you're getting. People just like to bitch

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

GPU market is an absolute train wreck... 4080 supers now selling for £1500 on eBay and marketplaces, 4070ti Supers £800-900.

Glad I got mine when I did as I wouldn't even contemplate these prices.

AMD have a glorious opportunity here... again, Are they finally going to capitalise on Nvidias complacency?????

For comparison how much where the 40xx series on eBay before these price hikes?

 

[TheTony316]

Media Markt Germany.

 

[Sanepar]

Building a PC today I would probably focus on 1080P or 1440P gaming and go Intel or AMD.
Nvidia gives zero fucks and are treating the gaming sector as an afterthought, just to maintain its market share, knowing that its got its customers by the balls.
4K PC gaming is a bad value proposition, you are far better off grabbing a console as well.
Part of me hopes that competition in the AI space becomes wild and Nvidia starts focusing on gaming again, but by then hopefully AMD and intel would have cornered a lot of the market. I love what AMD is doing with mobile chips for Deck/other handhelds.

To be fair right now pc gaming is the worst choice because of gpu prices and 9800x3d situation.

Our only hope is 9070 be a decent gpu and udna come to nvidia neck.

 

[64gigabyteram]

I kind of understand 3dfx wanting to get out of AIB shenanigans back then, sucks they belly flopped but I would much prefer a tsunami of reference cards than giving gigabyte, MSI, Asus, etc these fucking blood sucking vampires who aren't even close to MSRP a big middle finger.

Literally. Most of the time the reference design looks 100x better than the stupid AIBs too. But you can't even find a single one in stock.

If CPUs had AIBs you'd be buying a "watercooled, overclocked, omega supreme" Ryzen 7 7800x for 80% above MSRP

 

[Magic Carpet]

PS5 Pro has always been a good deal for the hardware you're getting. People just like to bitch

PC hardware seems to increase in value based on what I'm reading here.
If you want to skip Ebay, I just checked the Best Buy trade in price for consoles.
Xbox $130, PS5 $160. Not a good deal anymore.

 

[SmokedMeat]

To be fair right now pc gaming is the worst choice because of gpu prices and 9800x3d situation.

Our only hope is 9070 be a decent gpu and udna come to nvidia neck.

Not really. No one needs a 9800X3D, nor does anyone need a 50XX series card,

 

[G-DannY]

Not really. No one needs a 9800X3D, nor does anyone need a 50XX series card,

problem is no one really NEEDS both, but everyone WANT them. Some want them so much to pay kinda ANY price.

That's all folks.

 

[Sanepar]

Not really. No one needs a 9800X3D, nor does anyone need a 50XX series card,

If u buy a xx80 or xx90 gpu with a i5 or amd 6 core or even a 9700x u leave a lot of perf on the table.

 

[UnrealEck]

To be fair right now pc gaming is the worst choice because of gpu prices and 9800x3d situation.

Our only hope is 9070 be a decent gpu and udna come to nvidia neck.

PC gaming the worst choice because of the highest end gaming CPU and the latest GPU architecture?

 

[Aesius]

Games are not scaling well VRAM-wise, sadly.

Which is sad. How many PC gamers have GPUs with more than 10 GB of VRAM?

Games are so ridiculously unoptimized now. They don't look that much better than games from 10+ years ago but the CPU and especially GPU requirements are insane.

 

[Zacfoldor]

They sure have been charging a lot lately for gaming.

Seems funny that PS5 Pro was being dunked on recently.

What goes around comes around I suppose.

Funny seeing people defend PC by stating you don't need the latest and greatest. Nobody needed a PS5 Pro either. Sony and console gaming as a whole still got dunked on. Why the double standard for PC? Seems like you got great joy out of the PS5 Pro hate but now you want to sweep this under the rug. Seems just like that. So odd. So strange. I wonder why.

 

[SmokedMeat]

problem is no one really NEEDS both, but everyone WANT them. Some want them so much to pay kinda ANY price.

Very few people do.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If u buy a xx80 or xx90 gpu with a i5 or amd 6 core or even a 9700x u leave a lot of perf on the table.

I’m saying no one needs those cards or CPUs to enjoy the latest games at high performance.

 

[CrustyBritches]

For comparison how much where the 40xx series on eBay before these price hikes?

It's not just the Blackwell AIB scalping, it's the fact that Nvidia killed off Ada production so there's nothing available new on the market. 4080 Super and 4090 ended production in October. Looking at the price tracking for 4080 Super MSI Ventus and Gigabyte Windforce it looks like Newegg had them at MSRP up until November 29th 2024 then stock is gone. Now both 4080 and 4080 Super are selling for ~$1200-1300usd used on Ebay currently. Here's a 4080 non-Super already at $1300 with 2 days to go on the auction.

To answer your question: from the new and used price tracker on this site BestValueGPU, it appears in November 2024 a 4080 Super could be had used for $960usd.

There's other factors at play, too. I don't think we knew all RTX cards were getting DLSS Transformer update until January 2025, along with a FrameGen performance update for Ada. This combined with the anemic performance increase of the 5080 outside of MFG and the paper launch + AIB scalping makes a MSRP or $960 used 4080 Super from November 2024 look like a great deal. We just didn't know, but of course Nvidia did since they perpetrated the whole thing.

 

[Hot5pur]

People don’t buy PCs to save money.

Depends, sometime you have a lot going on and need PC for productivity and other applications, so it makes a lot of sense just to have a decent GPU and also to play games on it.
Depending on circumstances it can be the more economical choice, and then once you factor in free online, cheap keysites, emulation, etc. it becomes a bargain.

 

[analog_future]

Not really. No one needs a 9800X3D, nor does anyone need a 50XX series card,

No one needs a PS5 Pro either. What's your point?

 

[ResilientBanana]

Depends, sometime you have a lot going on and need PC for productivity and other applications, so it makes a lot of sense just to have a decent GPU and also to play games on it.
Depending on circumstances it can be the more economical choice, and then once you factor in free online, cheap keysites, emulation, etc. it becomes a bargain.

I agree with that. But I’m just saying, consuls are for people that literally just want to play games when you buy a PC you might pay more but it’s because somebody truly wants a PC not because they’re looking to save money.